I also have this WIlliam C. as a son of Lewis H. Mattingly and Margaret Watkins. It's worthwhile pointing out that according to all the census records, this William C. was born about 1826; 19 years younger than the one that married Teresa Irene Girten. The 1860 census also shows a brother named Daniel living with this William C. and his wife Elizabeth. >I also have a William C. Mattingly of McLean County, KY but I have him as >the son of Lewis H. Mattingly and his first wife, Margaret Watkins m. Jan 11 >1819, Washington Co., KY. This William C. Mattingly is found in the 1860 >census married to Elizabeth:

In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > I also have a William C. Mattingly of McLean County, KY but I have him as > the son of Lewis H. Mattingly and his first wife, Margaret Watkins m. Jan 11 > 1819, Washington Co., KY. This William C. Mattingly is found in the 1860 > census married to Elizabeth: Judith, etal I have him also on Cezar's side of the family through Barton. Charley

Hi Charley ! I also have a William C. Mattingly of McLean County, KY but I have him as the son of Lewis H. Mattingly and his first wife, Margaret Watkins m. Jan 11 1819, Washington Co., KY. This William C. Mattingly is found in the 1860 census married to Elizabeth: 1860 US Census, McLean County, Kentucky, June 13, 1860, Rumsey, Kentucky, Ancestry.com Image #13 79 76 William C. Mattingly, 35 M W Merchant $1500 $1000 Born in Kentucky Elizabeth 25 F W Kentucky William Lewis 6 M W Kentucky Lillian Mary 4 F W Kentucky James Herbert 5/12 M W Kentucky William Lucas 42 M W Tailor $100 Kentucky Thomas Jones 22 M W Laborer Kentucky Louisa Bailey 50 F W $100 Kentucky Rhoda Jones 19 F W Kentucky Daniel Mattingly 20 M W Merchants Clerk Kentucky Martha Bailey 6 F W Kentucky **************************************************************************** ********************* I think I might know where the daughter of Joe Monarch note came from, The Mattingly Manuscript in the Filson Club in Louisville. Since the William C. Mattingly that married Trecy Gertin was only 20 years old and she was 17 at the time of their marriage in 1827, I have assumed that it was a first marriage for them both. There is always the possibility that William C. married a Monarch girl and she died very soon there after, though. However, I have not, to date, been able to find a record of a William Mattingly/Monarch marriage, and heavens knows, I've looked. I totally agree with you that Libers and folios are in order to straighten out this William C. Mattingly mystery and if I had any left unpromised, I'd give my eye teeth to find them. For now though, and until somebody proves to me that he is not, I have that William C. Mattingly who married Trecy Gertin, is the son of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Ann Cissell. Tell Cousin Kitty I said Hi ! Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharleyMoore@cs.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly > Judith: > > Thanks Judith. As I have indicated on a couple of recent occasions, I have, > up to now, had no idea of who the parents were of William C. Mattingly who > married Teresa Gertin. But my next point would be that William C. son of Leonard > Jr. does not appear to be the right candidate. > > I have a note, that I cannot document at this time, that William C. son of > Leonard Jr married a daughter of Joe Monarch. I also have that they had a son > James Allen Mattingly b 1858 born 1858 in McLean County, KY. This latter does > not make sense in that William C. was likely born circa 1805 [give or take 5 > years] and having a child in 1858 does not make sense. > > Can't we find another spot for William C. that married Teresa Gertin??? > > We hashed Martin Sr's family over on the forum a year or so ago, especially > relating to Martin Srs son John C. > > Can't we find another place for William and Teresa to fit into the Mattingly > picture. I have never had him there and find it hard to place him there. > However, Libers and folios can change my mind real quick like, > > Thanks for the additional info - and I didn't realize this was your family > line. Kitty is from John, brother of Leonard, Jr. > > Charley > > > > > ood Morning Charley! > > > > In my files I have that the Charles William Mattingly who was born Aug 18 > > 1847 in Union County,was the son of William C. Mattingly (b. abt 1807) and > > Trecy/Theresa Gertin those conniving ancestors of mine that have so > > successfully hidden their parentage from us all. They could have taught > > ENRON a thing or two about paper trails. > > > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Judith: Thanks Judith. As I have indicated on a couple of recent occasions, I have, up to now, had no idea of who the parents were of William C. Mattingly who married Teresa Gertin. But my next point would be that William C. son of Leonard Jr. does not appear to be the right candidate. I have a note, that I cannot document at this time, that William C. son of Leonard Jr married a daughter of Joe Monarch. I also have that they had a son James Allen Mattingly b 1858 born 1858 in McLean County, KY. This latter does not make sense in that William C. was likely born circa 1805 [give or take 5 years] and having a child in 1858 does not make sense. Can't we find another spot for William C. that married Teresa Gertin??? We hashed Martin Sr's family over on the forum a year or so ago, especially relating to Martin Srs son John C. Can't we find another place for William and Teresa to fit into the Mattingly picture. I have never had him there and find it hard to place him there. However, Libers and folios can change my mind real quick like, Thanks for the additional info - and I didn't realize this was your family line. Kitty is from John, brother of Leonard, Jr. Charley > ood Morning Charley! > > In my files I have that the Charles William Mattingly who was born Aug 18 > 1847 in Union County,was the son of William C. Mattingly (b. abt 1807) and > Trecy/Theresa Gertin those conniving ancestors of mine that have so > successfully hidden their parentage from us all. They could have taught > ENRON a thing or two about paper trails. > >

Hi list, Start with Ruth, sorry Ruth, I still haven't found anything else on our Jesse L. or Elisha C. Mattingly. Except maybe this Elisha C.1920 census Elisha C Mattingly Age: 33 years Estimated birth year: 1886 Birthplace: Kentucky Race: White Home in 1920: Morganfield, Union,Kentucky Roll: T625_600 Page: 8A Frances Braddock Holberg also remembers Thomas Jefferson Mattingly dying in the poor house. I will give her a call and take notes this time. I am in Colorado & she is in Chicago, the two of us hope to make a trip to Ky together this summer. We went in the fall and didn't get much done. I think that Charles and Anna being first cousins was possible because they were only married 5 1/2 months when James Leo was born. uhoh I have a photo of her headstone if anyone would like a copy. Also a photo of her and William or Charles, which ever he is called. Charles seemd to be the norm for baptisms (his and his childrens), but on Nancy Anna's headstone he is noted as William and she as Anna. As for poor Thomas Jefferson, I think you are correct William. I have a daughter that is 4' 8" and she has a heck of a time, even in a family of short people.I wonder how tall he was. I understand that Tom used to play the fiddle to supplement his income. sandi

LOL!!! RM -----Original Message----- From: Judith Burger [mailto:bburger1-2@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:51 AM To: MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly Good Morning Charley! In my files I have that the Charles William Mattingly who was born Aug 18 1847 in Union County,was the son of William C. Mattingly (b. abt 1807) and Trecy/Theresa Gertin those conniving ancestors of mine that have so successfully hidden their parentage from us all. They could have taught ENRON a thing or two about paper trails. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharleyMoore@cs.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly > In a message dated 3/4/2004 6:07:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > > > > Morning List! If anybody wants a scanned copy of any of the court records I > > happen to have please e-mail me and I will be glad to provide them to you. > > > > I find it intriguing that Charles William Mattingly may have married his > > first cousin, daughter of his father's brother, Martin. Wonder how they > > managed that? The priest must have been asleep at the pulpit. > > Judith, etal > > Which of Martin Mattingly, Sr's sons was the father of Charles William? > > Charley > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 3/4/2004 6:07:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > Morning List! If anybody wants a scanned copy of any of the court records I > happen to have please e-mail me and I will be glad to provide them to you. > > I find it intriguing that Charles William Mattingly may have married his > first cousin, daughter of his father's brother, Martin. Wonder how they > managed that? The priest must have been asleep at the pulpit. Judith, etal Which of Martin Mattingly, Sr's sons was the father of Charles William? Charley

William, I had begun to think of Ann Melvina Mattingly as Little Orphan Annie. Thanks for clearing up her line. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <wmatting@cablenet-va.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly > From all appearances, Ann Melvina Mattingly, daughter of John W. and Eliza > Newton Mattingly, married Basil Richard Willett 10-15-1861. The 1870 census > finds the couple in Marion COunty, KY. with four kids: John 7, Ben 5, Susan > 4, and Eddie 1. By 1880 they are found in New Hope, Nelson County with > seven children: John T. 17, Susan K. 15, Joseph E. 11, Mary L. 9, James M. > 4, Benedict W. 3, and Charles W. 6 mo. For clarification, the first son > named Ben was Benedict Wilson (died in 1875) and the second was William > Benjamin. > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Good Morning Charley! In my files I have that the Charles William Mattingly who was born Aug 18 1847 in Union County,was the son of William C. Mattingly (b. abt 1807) and Trecy/Theresa Gertin those conniving ancestors of mine that have so successfully hidden their parentage from us all. They could have taught ENRON a thing or two about paper trails. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharleyMoore@cs.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly > In a message dated 3/4/2004 6:07:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > > > > Morning List! If anybody wants a scanned copy of any of the court records I > > happen to have please e-mail me and I will be glad to provide them to you. > > > > I find it intriguing that Charles William Mattingly may have married his > > first cousin, daughter of his father's brother, Martin. Wonder how they > > managed that? The priest must have been asleep at the pulpit. > > Judith, etal > > Which of Martin Mattingly, Sr's sons was the father of Charles William? > > Charley > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I can't help but feel for Thomas Jefferson Mattingly. He must have spent his time in hell, here on earth. I haven't seen his picture but take your word on his physical condition. Regarding Nancy, daughter of Henry Martin (way I have him) Mattingly and Helen Thompson; each census I've looked at shows Nancy/Nannie younger than her husband. Charles Wm. was born 8-18-1847, according to everything I've seen. Do you think they were hiding her age?

From all appearances, Ann Melvina Mattingly, daughter of John W. and Eliza Newton Mattingly, married Basil Richard Willett 10-15-1861. The 1870 census finds the couple in Marion COunty, KY. with four kids: John 7, Ben 5, Susan 4, and Eddie 1. By 1880 they are found in New Hope, Nelson County with seven children: John T. 17, Susan K. 15, Joseph E. 11, Mary L. 9, James M. 4, Benedict W. 3, and Charles W. 6 mo. For clarification, the first son named Ben was Benedict Wilson (died in 1875) and the second was William Benjamin.

Sandi, Not to chance the subject (much) but do you (or anyone else) know who this guy is: Buried St. Ambrose. Maybe he's descended from Charles. Jesse L Mattingly b. Feb. 14, 1893- d. Oct. 22, 1918. He died at Camp Taylor (WWI) during the flu epidemic. His next of kin was brother Elisha C. Mattingly, living in Union County. (I got his service death record) I know this is obscure but I want to know who this guy was. Could never find brothers Jesse and Elisha in anyone's home in Union Co. census records. Thanks, Ruth P.S. As for "Uncle Tom" Mattingly, son of Wm. C., my grandfather (Liston T) recalled that he died in the "poor house". I think it was in Muhlenburg County but would have to check with my aunt to be certain. Sad, huh? -----Original Message----- From: sandra reynolds [mailto:san526@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:54 PM To: MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly Charley, William, etal Judith Burger & I both have the marriage cert. & lic. for William C Mattingly & Teresa Irena Girten. She is one person I believe. Either of us would send you a copy if you wish. I speak for Judith here :-) Judith don't hurt me :-) I think I can out run her. :-) I think I started the mess with Nancy Ann Mattingly. But the correct Nancy in this case would be Martin Jr.'s sister and not his daughter. She was born Sept. 15, 1842 and married Charles Wm. on 26 Nov 1866. The date of marriage is from her headstone. I haven't found the record and have checked 4 counties. I come from this Charles & Nancy union by way of their daughter Mary Helena. I have found no reason yet that leads me to believe that our Wm. C. was married to a Monarch. NOTE ON THOMAS: "Family story on Tom, is that he was normal in every respect except that his legs did not develop." I think everyone should look at the old photos of Thomas Jefferson Mattingly. I don't think anything was "normal" he was a midget in every way. Ruhama Mills or Aunt Hamie by family members was not married to James Alen but to James Leo, son of Charles Wm.son of Wm. C. Hamie & Jim had 10 children. sandi ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubsc ribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Morning List! If anybody wants a scanned copy of any of the court records I happen to have please e-mail me and I will be glad to provide them to you. I find it intriguing that Charles William Mattingly may have married his first cousin, daughter of his father's brother, Martin. Wonder how they managed that? The priest must have been asleep at the pulpit. There is a confusion apparently for her birth date also. The 1870 Census says she was 27 or born in 1843 The 1880 Census says she was 32 or born in 1848 The tombstone says born Sept 15 1842 per Sandra Reynolds, and St. Charles Baptismal Register 1829-1857 says Martin Sr.'s daughter Ann was born Sept. 4, 1841. There is also Ann Malvina Mattingly born Dec 25 1842, daughter of John & Eliza Ann (Newton) Mattingly St. Charles Baptismal Register). Both John (d. 1852) and his wife Eliza appear to be dead in the 1870 Census and Ann is no longer shown in the household of her grandfather James Newton as she was in 1860. Now she would have only been a 5th cousin of Charles William. But who knows? Isn't that just typical? Genealogy is such fun. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra reynolds" <san526@concentric.net> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly > Charley, William, etal > Judith Burger & I both have the marriage cert. & lic. for William C > Mattingly & Teresa Irena Girten. She is one person I believe. > Either of us would send you a copy if you wish. I speak for Judith here > :-) Judith don't hurt me :-) I think I can out run her. :-) > > I think I started the mess with Nancy Ann Mattingly. > But the correct Nancy in this case would be Martin Jr.'s sister and not > his daughter. She was born Sept. 15, 1842 and married Charles Wm. on 26 > Nov 1866. The date of marriage is from her headstone. I haven't found > the record and have checked 4 counties. I come from this Charles & Nancy > union by way of their daughter Mary Helena. > I have found no reason yet that leads me to believe that our Wm. C. was > married to a Monarch. > > NOTE ON THOMAS: "Family story on Tom, is that he was normal in every > respect except that his legs did not develop." I think everyone should > look at the old photos of Thomas Jefferson Mattingly. I don't think > anything was "normal" he was a midget in every way. > > Ruhama Mills or Aunt Hamie by family members was not married to James > Alen but to James Leo, son of Charles Wm.son of Wm. C. > Hamie & Jim had 10 children. > > sandi > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Charley, William, etal Judith Burger & I both have the marriage cert. & lic. for William C Mattingly & Teresa Irena Girten. She is one person I believe. Either of us would send you a copy if you wish. I speak for Judith here :-) Judith don't hurt me :-) I think I can out run her. :-) I think I started the mess with Nancy Ann Mattingly. But the correct Nancy in this case would be Martin Jr.'s sister and not his daughter. She was born Sept. 15, 1842 and married Charles Wm. on 26 Nov 1866. The date of marriage is from her headstone. I haven't found the record and have checked 4 counties. I come from this Charles & Nancy union by way of their daughter Mary Helena. I have found no reason yet that leads me to believe that our Wm. C. was married to a Monarch. NOTE ON THOMAS: "Family story on Tom, is that he was normal in every respect except that his legs did not develop." I think everyone should look at the old photos of Thomas Jefferson Mattingly. I don't think anything was "normal" he was a midget in every way. Ruhama Mills or Aunt Hamie by family members was not married to James Alen but to James Leo, son of Charles Wm.son of Wm. C. Hamie & Jim had 10 children. sandi

William, etal I have no idea of where William Mattingly, married Teresa Gertin, 9-30-1827 in Gallatin County, Illinois fits into the Mattingly Picture. Do you think Irena was a 2d wife of William, or another given name of Teresa??? I believe our only differences are in generations. And, I would love to know where William fits into the Mattingly family, or whether he is from Cezar of Thomas II. I have William and Teresa [Gertin] Mattingly having a son Charles William Mattingly who married Nancy Mattingly on 26 May 1866, the 10th child and daughter of Martin Mattingly, Jr bc 1835 who married Martha Ladd. Martin Mattingly, Jr. was the son of Martin Mattingly, Sr, who married Helen Thompson on 19 Feb 1824, and Martin Mattingly Sr as the son of Leonard Mattingly, Jr and his wife Ann Nancy Cissell. Martin, Sr was also brother of William C. Mattingly who married a daughter of Joe Monarch. Charley > Well I don't know about rewriting history but a better understanding of it > would be something I'd love to achieve. William C. and Teresa did have a > son named Charles William and so far as I can tell this son did marry a girl > named Nancy but I have never been able to find her maiden name. They were > married about 1866 and had at least six children. That this Nancy was a > daughter of Martin Monarch might very well be true. I haven't looked > closely at this line except to note that I see no presence in Union County > from 1820 through 1850. Charles William Mattingly and Nancy (I carry > Unknown) did name a son William Martin on 2-20-1874. I know of at least one > Martin Monarch, son of Thomas Monarch and Susanna Davis (Both Thomas and > Susanna had Mattingly mothers) but have not traced this Martin. He was born > about 1840 so was not likely the father of the Nancy we're discussing. On > James Alen; I think he married 1st, Martha Smith who bore him 4 children. > In 1895, he married Ruhama Mills, but I haven't found any children by her. >

Well I don't know about rewriting history but a better understanding of it would be something I'd love to achieve. William C. and Teresa did have a son named Charles William and so far as I can tell this son did marry a girl named Nancy but I have never been able to find her maiden name. They were married about 1866 and had at least six children. That this Nancy was a daughter of Martin Monarch might very well be true. I haven't looked closely at this line except to note that I see no presence in Union County from 1820 through 1850. Charles William Mattingly and Nancy (I carry Unknown) did name a son William Martin on 2-20-1874. I know of at least one Martin Monarch, son of Thomas Monarch and Susanna Davis (Both Thomas and Susanna had Mattingly mothers) but have not traced this Martin. He was born about 1840 so was not likely the father of the Nancy we're discussing. On James Alen; I think he married 1st, Martha Smith who bore him 4 children. In 1895, he married Ruhama Mills, but I haven't found any children by her. Some of the notes I have in my files are as follows and perhaps they'll either help or hinder. Not sure which. "There is a record of William Mattingly and Trecy Gertin getting married on 9-30-1827 in Gallatin County, Illinois. His land in Kentucky was at Claybeatte Springs, on the line between Union and Webster Counties and was called "Gertin Land". He must have come to own the land through Teresa's family. Many sources show most, and sometimes all, of his children as born in Union County but Church records do not support this claim. On the census of 1850, he and his wife appear with seven children in Union County. He and family were in Morganfield, Union County in 1860 with five children at home: Leonard 15, Nancy 17, William 12, Martin 8, and Thomas 5. The Union County census of 1870 shows William as 63 years old and his wife as Irena, age 59. Two children are in the home: Martin 18; and Thomas J. 15. William is buried in what used to be called St. Vincent Cemetery, now Waverly." "In the name of God, amen. I William C. Mattingly of Union County in the State of Kentucky being sick but of sound mind and disposing memory make this, my last will and testament, hereby revoking all other or former wills. I wish after my death that my wife Teresa have my farm & all my property to use as she pleases as long as she lives for the support of herself and my son, Thomas. After the death of my wife I wish all my property sold, including my land. Out of the proceeds of the sale I want Thomas to have one thousand dollars to be put out at interest by a trustee hereafter appointed for his use. At his death the amount not used for his benefit during his lifetime is to revert back to my heirs at law. I also will my son Thomas the cash notes that I now have on hand to be used by said trustee with and as the $1,000 is directed to be done and to revert at his death in the same way to my heirs, these notes are also to be subject to my wife's control & use if she should need it during her life. I hereby appoint Robert A. Spalding Executor of this my last will and also trustee for my son Thomas and authorize him to sell my land & the coal privilege which I have under the Girtin land and to convey the title to the purchaser. Out of the notes now due me I want my debts paid which are few. Witness my hand this 6th day November 1875." William C. X Mattingly His Mark" Transcribed by Judith Burger. (Will was recorded in Morganfield, Ky. on April 3, 1876.) NOTE ON THOMAS: "Family story on Tom, is that he was normal in every respect except that his legs did not develop. In his will, William C. left most all of his property to his wife, Teresa and the son, Tom. It may be that Tom never married at all. On the Union County census of 1900, he was residing with his mother and shown as a farm hand, age 48. This would put his birth in 1852, not 1855."

Judith and William: While you all are rewriting history, I'm still stuck with William C. Mattingly, son of Leonard and Ann Nancy Cissell, married 30 Mar 1788, as the one who married a daughter of T. J. Monarch and had a son James Allen Mattingly b1858 in McLean Couinty Kentucky. I also have Martin, Jr. having a daughter, Nancy Anna marrying Charles William Mattingly son of William Mattingly and Teresa Irence Gerten. Charley > > Judith: Just considering this one; we think of William C. Mattingly, > born > > about 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell although I > don't > > think we have any substantial proof at this time.

I agree that the two Mattinglys, William and Leonard, are brothers to Helen Mattingly Braddock and all children of William C. Mattingly and Trecy Girten. And you are right about William C. Mattingly mentioning Girten land in his will signed in 1875: " I hereby appoint Robert A Spalding Executor of this my last will and also Trustee for my son Thomas & authorize him to sell my land & the coal privilege which I have under the Girtin land & to convey the title to the purchaser- Out of the notes now due me I want my debts paid which are few." But Ruth Heffington of Union County Historical Society says William C. Mattingly bought the land from James Girten. I have a few James Girten deeds where he, James Girten, also leased land to his son Charles in 1825 and mentions his son James and 3 daughters unnamed. Ruth Heffington also refers to a record mentioned in the District Court after the death of Charles Girten 1855: Girten vs Girten. She thinks it may have been a distribution of James Girten's lands/estate. However I have never been able to locate the record that she refers to. Ms. Heffington says the case may have been "kicked" up to the Circuit Court and the Circuit Court records have been removed to Frankfort for preservation or something and are unavailable. There it is again. No records. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <wmatting@cablenet-va.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Food for Mattingly thought William and Leonard Mattingly > Judith: Just considering this one; we think of William C. Mattingly, born > about 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell although I don't > think we have any substantial proof at this time. William C. mattingly and > Teresa Girten's daughter, Helena Elaine was married to Leo J. Braddock. > William C. had two sons which might fit the Leonard and William mentioned: > Charles William 1847 and Leonard L. 1845. William C. had received land from > his father-in-law didn't he? > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Judith: Just considering this one; we think of William C. Mattingly, born about 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell although I don't think we have any substantial proof at this time. William C. mattingly and Teresa Girten's daughter, Helena Elaine was married to Leo J. Braddock. William C. had two sons which might fit the Leonard and William mentioned: Charles William 1847 and Leonard L. 1845. William C. had received land from his father-in-law didn't he?

Francis Miles, Distribution Account, Marion County, Kentucky, June 20, 1872 (No first Page) 1.. John Miles is entitled to 2/15 or $36.73 2.. Charles Miles is entitled to 2/15 or $36.73 3.. Mary Bickett heirs (1) Mary I., (2) Samuel M., (3) John P., (4) C. C., (5) Wm., (6) Flagett, (7) Josephene, (8)George, in all $36.73; each one's share = 4.59 4.. Rosa Knott, heirs Margaret Knott & heirs 36.73 (Child of Rosa Knott) 5. Margaret Howard's heirs for (when adjust is Guardians,) (1) Mary E., (2) John S., (3) James F., (4) Eliza A.., (5) Charles R., (6) Sarah E. (7)Nancy E. In all $36.73: each ones share is $5.24 The above are whole heirs; the following are half brothers & sisters & entitled to ½ shares 1.. Thomas Miles is entitled to 1/15 or $15.36 2.. Nicholas Miles is entitled to 1/15 or $15.36 3.. Eliza Clements " " " $15.36 4.. Catherine Browning " " " $15.36 5.. Nancy Mattingly " " " $15.36 As presiding Judge of Marion County I have this day Settled the accounts of John E. Miles admin. Of Francis Miles dec'd and find them as above stated this 20th June 1872 J. P. Thompson P.J.M.C. ================================================================================ Transcribed by Judith A. Burger February 25, 2004 from a scanned photocopy of the original court record, courtesy Carolyn Riley. The scan and photocopy were good and the writing was legible except for the words in parenthesis following the words Margaret Howard's heirs, which do not seem correct. The individuals above appear to me to be the children of John Miles and 1st wife Elizabeth Mattingly and 2nd wife Frances Browning. Does anybody have the parents of Elizabeth Mattingly with mother named Mary? Thanks. Judith Burger Descendants of John K. "Fonse" Miles 1 [1] John K. "Fonse" Miles b: January 12, 1794 in Kentucky d: January 17, 1857 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky . +Elizabeth Mattingly m: November 05, 1821 in Holy Mary Church, Calvary, Washington County, Kentucky Father: Unknown Mattingly Mother: Mary Unknown WHO IS THE FATHER OF ELIZABETH MATTINGLY ??? ... 2 Charles Miles b: Abt. 1823 in Kentucky, 1870 US Census Pellville, Hancock County, Kentucky Burial: 1850 US Census Marion County, Kentucky Image # 139 ....... +Mary Unknown b: Abt. 1844 in Kentucky, 1870 US Census Pellville, Hancock County, Kentucky ... 2 Mary Ann "Mills" (esa) Miles b: Abt. 1824 in Raywick, Marion County, Kentucky, d: Bef. August 17, 1870 in Raywick, Marion County, Kentucky, Not on 1870 Census Burial: 1850 US Census Dist. 1, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +James Henry Bickett b: July 06, 1822 in Raywick, Marion County, Kentucky d: May 17, 1889 in Raywick, Marion County, Kentucky Burial: 1850 US Census Dist. 1, Marion County, Kentucky Father: Samuel Bickett Mother: Mary Livers ... 2 Francis Miles b: September 15, 1827 in On Hanan (Hardin?) Creek, Washington/Marion County, Kentucky d: July 29, 1876 in Marion County, Kentucky Tthis date may be an error JB Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +Cecelia Anna Miles b: Bef. January 20, 1831 in On Hanan (Hardin?) Creek, Washington/Marion County, Kentucky m: August 10, 1852 in Marion County, Kentucky d: in 1850 US Census Marion County, Kentucky Image #1 Father: Thomas Lee Miles Mother: Elizabeth Buckler ... 2 Rosalia (esa) Miles b: June 1830 in Washington/Marion County, Kentucky d: December 26, 1859 in Marion County, Kentucky, age 28 Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Church Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +William Henry Knott b: Abt. 1831 Father: William Knott Mother: Mary Downs ... 2 John E. (A?) (esa) Miles b: May 10, 1832 in Kentucky, 1870 US Census Marion County, Kentucky HQ d: November 04, 1901 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Cemetery, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +Mary Margaret "Margaret" Miles b: February 14, 1837 in Marion County, Kentucky d: March 01, 1912 in St. Francis, Marion County, Kentucky, age 80 Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky Father: Thomas Lee Miles Mother: Elizabeth Buckler ... 2 Sarah Elizabeth Miles b: Bef. July 06, 1834 in Washington/Marion County, Kentucky d: in Is this Eliza Miles Clements? & O'Rourke has the birthdate wrong? ... 2 Margaret (esa) Miles b: November 01, 1837 in Washington/Marion County, Kentucky Burial: 1850 US Census Marion County, Kentucky Image # 140 ....... +Robert Howard b: Abt. 1826 in Kentucky, 1860 US Census Lebanon, Marion County, Kentucky ... 2 Charles Henry (esa) Miles b: March 16, 1844 in Washington/Marion County, Kentucky d: in Is this Charles born 1823 per census & O'Rourke has birthdate wrong? Burial: Not found on 1850 Census, Is the child of another John Miles and wife Elizabeth??? *2nd Wife of [1] John K. "Fonse" Miles: . +Frances Browning b: February 28, 1811 in Kentucky m: Abt. 1839 in Calculation only JB d: April 05, 1877 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky Father: Charles Browning Mother: Margaret "Peggy" Cash ... 2 Eliza (esa) Miles b: Abt. 1840 in Kentucky, 1880 US Census Lebanon, Marion County, Kentucky d: August 17, 1909 in Marion County, Kentucky, age 70 years Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +John Henry Clements b: Abt. 1838 in Kentucky, 1880 US Census Lebanon, Marion County, Kentucky ... 2 Thomas (esa) Miles b: July 13, 1844 in Marion County, Kentucky d: in 1860 US Census Lebanon, Marion County, Kentucky Image #25 Burial: 1850 US Census Marion County, Kentucky Image # 140 ... 2 Catherine Ann (esa) Miles b: Bet. 1844 - 1845 in Kentucky, 1870 US Census St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky d: 1927 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Cemetery, Marion County, Kentucky ....... +Nicholas Browning b: Abt. 1840 in Kentucky, 1870 US Census St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky d: 1889 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky Father: Thomas Patrick Browning Mother: Ann "Nancy" Carrico ... 2 Nicholas Miles b: June 06, 1846 in Marion County, Kentucky, 1880 US Census New Market, Marion County, Kentucky, LDS Burial: 1850 US Census Marion County, Kentucky Image # 140 ....... +Mollie J. Beauchamp b: Abt. 1848 in Kentucky, 1880 US Census New Market, Marion County, Kentucky, LDS ... 2 Nannie Miles b: August 1850 in Kentucky, Obituary d: October 22, 1929 in Marion County, Kentucky, age 80, Kentucky Death Index Burial: October 23, 1929 St. Charles Church Cemetery, Marion County, Kentucky, Will ....... +Sim Mattingly b: January 15, 1848 in Marion County, Kentucky, Obituary m: November 29, 1869 in St. Charles Church,St. Marys, Marion County, Kentucky d: April 21, 1930 in Marion County, Kentucky Burial: St. Charles Boromeo Catholic Cemetery, St. Mary, Marion County, Kentucky Father: William Albin "Albin" Mattingly Mother: Sarah Jane Rhodes ... 2 Sarah Frances Miles b: June 28, 1857 in Marion County, Kentucky d: March 11, 1858 in Marion County, Kentucky