In a message dated 3/28/2004 6:41:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, CharleyMoore@cs.com writes: Laurie, etal I have Thomas Mattingly married to Anna Carr as the son of Richard and Eleanor [HInton] Mattingly... Charley Ok folks, so which one is correct??? HA! Shirley

In a message dated 3/28/2004 6:16:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, CharleyMoore@cs.com writes: I have Leonard Barton Mattingly born 6 Jan 1784 as marrying Anna Smith on on 12 Aug 1806 Wash Co. kY, by Father Nerinx and 2d to Rose Ann Fields in 1844. Charley Hi Charley--this one was a lulu...Herodia Rose Jones is (Herodia) Rose Ann Jones Fields. She married first, James Fields 24 June 1839 at St. Rose Priory in Washington Co, KY (remember we were there, grin!) by Rev. Joseph Jarboe. They had a daughter, Mary Elizabeth Fields born 8 Oct 1841 in Washington Co, KY who married Alexander Owen Mattingly 2 Nov 1858 in Marion Co, KY. Mary Elizabeth Fields Mattingly d. 11 Nov 1859 in Marion Co. Herodia Rose Ann Jones Fields married second Leonard Barton Mattingly. Shirley

It's entirely possible that Thomas was the son of Richard. Clement was on a tax list abt. 1801 Breckinridge Co, though, although I don't have a source for it. I think Breckinridge was formed from part of Hardin about 1800. Hardin formed from Nelson 1792 - so there could have been minor or no moves but changes in the taxing county. In addition to the information from Julia, I work with the following: 1. I have an Anna MATNA who married William Reynolds 1832 Bartholomew IN. Clement and Uriah MATNEY lived in Bartholomew at the time; it is assumed that Anna and children were the extra members in Clement's household 1830. She later appears as widow Reynolds, living in the household of son Daniel Matney. Another son Joshua lived in the approximate area in Bartholomew Co. 1840 as Clement and Uriah were when they died. I have been working on solid proof via land records, but have not yet made the definitive connection. Daniel moved to MO with Stephen and Uriah's family for several years after 1850, returning to neighbor Joshua and sister Alcy Nickerson 1870 Fulton Co., Illinois. Both Uriah and Stephen married as MATTINGLY in Hardin Co., KY. Clement's son Elias married as Mattingly in OH. Uriah died in IN, Stephen first moved to Arkansas, then into southern MO., with Uriah's family. Elias remained in IN. 2. Neither Clement nor Uriah made a land patent claim in Indiana; however, Hannah CARR and John CARR (no connection made) both had land patents in the county (Bartholomew IN) at the time. I'm not sure that Hannah was part of the Carr family from KY, though. 3. Richard's son Thomas, by tax notations, was somehow disabled as early as 1819. While he may have married Anna, and had children, I would think that Richard would have mentioned them in his will, seeing as Thomas was not able to provide for them. My Anna had at least three children. Of course it's also possible he didn't see a need to provide for them if she'd moved on and remarried. If this were the case, and my Anna was Richard's daughter in law, then Richard and Clement must have been close relatives. 4. No one has found Clement on the 1820 census. Stephen was in Hardin Co, KY, and there was a Sarah Mattingly nearby. The census is difficult to read, but it's possible that this was Clement's Sarah, with a young woman with a young child in her household. She lived next door to John Ford and Walter Headrick. Walter Headrick, I believe, was the step-father of William Rogers, father of my Susannah Rogers who married Joshua Matney. A Robert Ford signed the marriage bond of one of Clement's children. Uriah was in Jackson Co., IN. Elias, another son, was just north also in IN. To note, there was a Thomas Matney in Washington DC 1820, one younger man and one older. I have absolutely no proof of who this was, and would guess that if Clement were the older man, he'd be listed rather than Thomas, but it's interesting. 5. Thomas Mattingly and Anna Carr were married by Samuel Eslick in Breckinridge, KY. Samuel Eslick and his son Artis, were friends and later relatives of Clement, Uriah, and Stephen, moving with them from KY, to Indiana, to southern MO. Also to note, on the 1791 Tithables, Nelson Co. KY, there appeared a Barton and Clemon MATLEY. A Phillip MATLEY had appeared 1787. I think this was our Clement-his sons did use the MATLEY spelling in Indiana. I understand this is somewhat (!) convoluted and quite sketchy, but most definitely, somewhere in the shuffle is a Mattingly, relative of Clement and my ancestor. I'm certainly open to all suggestions and corrections - please do! Laurie Judith Burger <bburger1-2@comcast.net> wrote: Laurie, William et al, Here's what I have for the Clement Mattingly who married Sarah Brewer Allen. Source: Julia Bixler, except for the marriage records for Nelson and Washington County.. Descendants of Sarah Brewer 1 [2] Sarah Brewer d: December 10, 1834 in Brown County, Indiana, tombstone Burial: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brown County, Indiana . +David Allen, Sr. m: 1785 d: Bef. 1790 ... 2 [1] David Allen, Jr. ....... +Mary Cambron m: November 04, 1793 in Washington County, Kentucky, Bk 1-3 d: Bef. 1799 Father: Thomas Cambron Mother: Betha Unknown ... *2nd Wife of [1] David Allen, Jr.: ....... +Rebecca Cambron m: November 25, 1799 in Washington County, Kentucky, Bk 1-30, Bk 1-46 Father: Thomas Cambron Mother: Betha Unknown *2nd Husband of [2] Sarah Brewer: . +Clement Mattingly, KY>ID b: Abt. 1769 in Calculation from marriage date only JB m: April 22, 1790 in Nelson County, Kentucky d: January 23, 1838 in Brown County, Indiana, tombstone Burial: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brown County, Indiana ============ Clement Mattingly son of Thomas III had a son named Thomas b 1738 and he, Clement made a will probated in 1780 in St. Mary's County, MD. There was a Clement already in Washington County, KY though in 1791. See below. I don't know who he is for sure or anything more about him. He's not very well researched by me and the below may be the records of several Clements. Judith Individual: Mattingley, Clement County/State: St. Mary's Co., MD Page #: 149 Year: 1760 Census type code: Residence List ----------------------------------------------------- Oath of Fidelity, Prince George's County Maryland, Fielder Bowie's Return, March 23, 1779 Clement Mattingley From: MARYLAND RECORDS VOL II, Brumbaugh, 1928,1993, Genealogical Publ. Co., Baltimore,p. 304 --------------------------------------- PIONEER HISTORY OF WASHINGTON COUNTY, KENTUCKY, Edited and Indexed by Michael L. Cook & Bettie Anne Cook, 1980. cook & McDowell Pub., Utica, KY, p. 249, RECORD OF THE COUNTY MILITIA (Washington County, Kentucky= transcribers note) ".....October ye 15th. 1791 The Court Assambled agreeable to Adjournment and proceeded as follows:......Clement Mattingly a Delinqt. of Capt. Ballard's Co. being present & complains of Inability & being sworn says he was born on the 14th of Feby. 1740 the Court in Consequence thereof clear him of Duty." -------------------------------------------- 1790 US Census No Clement Mattingly/Mattingley in Maryland. -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" To: Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Barton Mattingly > Anna's name shows up differently in a couple of places. I've seen her > reported as Anna Cam, as Anita Carr and as Anna Carr. The marriage took > place in Breckinridge County, Kentucky on 2-3-1817, as far as I have been > able to tell. I also carry Thomas as a son of Richard Mattingly and Eleanor > Hinton but Richard's will only mentions Thomas, not his wife so I guess the > facts are still waiting to be proved. While I have found no proof of who > the actual father of the Thomas that married Anna, I have observed that > Clement was not in Breckinridge and I presume his son was not as well. Like > Charley said though, Perry County is just across the Ohio River from > Breckinridge County and perhaps they were from there and simply married in > Breckinridge. > > I don't think I've seen a will for Clement. Does anyone have a copy so that > we might verify he even had a son named Thomas? > > One final note, I tend to think Clement Mattingly was counted on the 1783 > tax records of Washington County, Maryland. Other Mattingly's in the same > area that year were Richard Sr. and Jr., Joseph, and Barnet as well as the > family of Vachel Hinton. I don't have a clue as to Clement's ancestry but > believe him to have been from the line of Cezar because of his position in > Washington Co., Md. Again though, that's supposition. > > Not sure when Clement was born but he didn't appear on the rolls of the > Pledge of Allegiance in Washington County, Md. in 1778 with Richard, Joseph, > Barnet, and Henry. There was a Clement Mattingly who took the pledge in St. > Mary's though. If Clement was in Washington County in 1778 then perhaps he > was either too young or simply didn't take it, or his record hasn't > appeared. 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Anna's name shows up differently in a couple of places. I've seen her reported as Anna Cam, as Anita Carr and as Anna Carr. The marriage took place in Breckinridge County, Kentucky on 2-3-1817, as far as I have been able to tell. I also carry Thomas as a son of Richard Mattingly and Eleanor Hinton but Richard's will only mentions Thomas, not his wife so I guess the facts are still waiting to be proved. While I have found no proof of who the actual father of the Thomas that married Anna, I have observed that Clement was not in Breckinridge and I presume his son was not as well. Like Charley said though, Perry County is just across the Ohio River from Breckinridge County and perhaps they were from there and simply married in Breckinridge. I don't think I've seen a will for Clement. Does anyone have a copy so that we might verify he even had a son named Thomas? One final note, I tend to think Clement Mattingly was counted on the 1783 tax records of Washington County, Maryland. Other Mattingly's in the same area that year were Richard Sr. and Jr., Joseph, and Barnet as well as the family of Vachel Hinton. I don't have a clue as to Clement's ancestry but believe him to have been from the line of Cezar because of his position in Washington Co., Md. Again though, that's supposition. Not sure when Clement was born but he didn't appear on the rolls of the Pledge of Allegiance in Washington County, Md. in 1778 with Richard, Joseph, Barnet, and Henry. There was a Clement Mattingly who took the pledge in St. Mary's though. If Clement was in Washington County in 1778 then perhaps he was either too young or simply didn't take it, or his record hasn't appeared. If he was from St. Mary's then a whole new ball of wax opens up.

Laurie, William et al, Here's what I have for the Clement Mattingly who married Sarah Brewer Allen. Source: Julia Bixler, except for the marriage records for Nelson and Washington County.. Descendants of Sarah Brewer 1 [2] Sarah Brewer d: December 10, 1834 in Brown County, Indiana, tombstone Burial: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brown County, Indiana . +David Allen, Sr. m: 1785 d: Bef. 1790 ... 2 [1] David Allen, Jr. ....... +Mary Cambron m: November 04, 1793 in Washington County, Kentucky, Bk 1-3 d: Bef. 1799 Father: Thomas Cambron Mother: Betha Unknown ... *2nd Wife of [1] David Allen, Jr.: ....... +Rebecca Cambron m: November 25, 1799 in Washington County, Kentucky, Bk 1-30, Bk 1-46 Father: Thomas Cambron Mother: Betha Unknown *2nd Husband of [2] Sarah Brewer: . +Clement Mattingly, KY>ID b: Abt. 1769 in Calculation from marriage date only JB m: April 22, 1790 in Nelson County, Kentucky d: January 23, 1838 in Brown County, Indiana, tombstone Burial: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brown County, Indiana ============ Clement Mattingly son of Thomas III had a son named Thomas b 1738 and he, Clement made a will probated in 1780 in St. Mary's County, MD. There was a Clement already in Washington County, KY though in 1791. See below. I don't know who he is for sure or anything more about him. He's not very well researched by me and the below may be the records of several Clements. Judith Individual: Mattingley, Clement County/State: St. Mary's Co., MD Page #: 149 Year: 1760 Census type code: Residence List ----------------------------------------------------- Oath of Fidelity, Prince George's County Maryland, Fielder Bowie's Return, March 23, 1779 Clement Mattingley From: MARYLAND RECORDS VOL II, Brumbaugh, 1928,1993, Genealogical Publ. Co., Baltimore,p. 304 --------------------------------------- PIONEER HISTORY OF WASHINGTON COUNTY, KENTUCKY, Edited and Indexed by Michael L. Cook & Bettie Anne Cook, 1980. cook & McDowell Pub., Utica, KY, p. 249, RECORD OF THE COUNTY MILITIA (Washington County, Kentucky= transcribers note) ".....October ye 15th. 1791 The Court Assambled agreeable to Adjournment and proceeded as follows:......Clement Mattingly a Delinqt. of Capt. Ballard's Co. being present & complains of Inability & being sworn says he was born on the 14th of Feby. 1740 the Court in Consequence thereof clear him of Duty." -------------------------------------------- 1790 US Census No Clement Mattingly/Mattingley in Maryland. -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <wmatting@cablenet-va.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Barton Mattingly > Anna's name shows up differently in a couple of places. I've seen her > reported as Anna Cam, as Anita Carr and as Anna Carr. The marriage took > place in Breckinridge County, Kentucky on 2-3-1817, as far as I have been > able to tell. I also carry Thomas as a son of Richard Mattingly and Eleanor > Hinton but Richard's will only mentions Thomas, not his wife so I guess the > facts are still waiting to be proved. While I have found no proof of who > the actual father of the Thomas that married Anna, I have observed that > Clement was not in Breckinridge and I presume his son was not as well. Like > Charley said though, Perry County is just across the Ohio River from > Breckinridge County and perhaps they were from there and simply married in > Breckinridge. > > I don't think I've seen a will for Clement. Does anyone have a copy so that > we might verify he even had a son named Thomas? > > One final note, I tend to think Clement Mattingly was counted on the 1783 > tax records of Washington County, Maryland. Other Mattingly's in the same > area that year were Richard Sr. and Jr., Joseph, and Barnet as well as the > family of Vachel Hinton. I don't have a clue as to Clement's ancestry but > believe him to have been from the line of Cezar because of his position in > Washington Co., Md. Again though, that's supposition. > > Not sure when Clement was born but he didn't appear on the rolls of the > Pledge of Allegiance in Washington County, Md. in 1778 with Richard, Joseph, > Barnet, and Henry. There was a Clement Mattingly who took the pledge in St. > Mary's though. If Clement was in Washington County in 1778 then perhaps he > was either too young or simply didn't take it, or his record hasn't > appeared. If he was from St. Mary's then a whole new ball of wax opens up. > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, ldmorales6838@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hello, Mattingly researchers. I'm Laurie Morales > > Clement Mattingly/Sarah Brewer Allen > Thomas Mattingly/Anna Carr ? (working) Laurie, etal I have Thomas Mattingly married to Anna Carr as the son of Richard and Eleanor [HInton] Mattingly... Charley

Judith, etal I stand corrected on one point in my last message. Leonard Barton, son of Joseph and Hessina, married first to Anna Smith on 12 Aug 1806 and second to Rose Ann [Jones] Fields on 19 Nov 1844. And I agree with the rest of Judiths message. Charley bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > > Here is another Barton... > > > > Barton Mattingly m. Anna Smith 6 Aug 1804 > > by the Rev Charles Nerinsky Book 1 pg 71 Washington County, KY > Marriages. > > From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages 1792-1878" by > Margaret > > Clark Kington, page 114. This is said to be Leonard Barton Mattingly b. > 1784 > > son of Joseph F. Mattingly and Hessina A. Hinton; he married 2) Herodia > Rose > > Jones 19 Nov 1845. He also had a son, Leonard Barton Mattingly, Jr. b. > 1829, > > who married Elizabeth Greenwell. > I AGREE WITH ALL THIS. Judith > >

In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:13:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, MIJEEPLDY@aol.com writes: > Hello everyone > Just to add to the confusion > Via O'Rourke's "Maryland Catholics on the Frontier" > "The parish records of the Barrens indicate that Barton > Mattingly and Elizabeth Cambron, married civilly about 1819, > were married in a religious ceremony in 1824 by Rev. John > Odin." > This would be St. Mary fo the Barrens Parish > Perryville, Mo. Perry County Missouri > > Brenda, etal This could be the same wedding as in Perry Co, Indiana, last > msg. > > Charley

Shirley, etal Perry County Indiana is just across the Ohio River from Breckenridge Co, KY> see further notes below each para. Charley PS. I do not intend to contradict, only to point out what I have on the family Plattshirl@aol.com writes: > From: Plattshirl@aol.com > > > I've read the last several posts, and have this to offer, from the Indiana > State Library, Genealogy Division, Indiana Marriages through 1850: Barton > MATINGLY, md to Elizabeth Cambron, 01/01/1817 Perry Co., Indiana. > From Laurie Morales I do not remember the exact language, however, didn't the Missouri data from Fr Burkey indicate that Barton had a Church wedding in Missouri for his second wife? > Folks, > Can someone please clarify for me because now I am confused. Laurie has > found this marriage above, which presumably is for the Bartholomew/Barton > Mattingly who died in Perry Co, MO, so can someone please tell me who this > Barton is: Barton Mattingly m. Polly Cambron 8 Aug 1804 > by Rev. Stephen Theodore Badin in Washington Co, KY Bk 1- pg 57 Washington > County, KY Marriages. From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages > 1792-1878" by Margaret Clark Kington, page 114. > I believe this is the Barton, son of Luke, who is still on the Wash Co > Census in 1810 with three children by his first wife. > > Here is another Barton... > > Barton Mattingly m. Anna Smith 6 Aug 1804 > by the Rev Charles Nerinsky Book 1 pg 71 Washington County, KY Marriages. > From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages 1792-1878" by Margaret > Clark Kington, page 114. This is said to be Leonard Barton Mattingly b. > 1784 > son of Joseph F. Mattingly and Hessina A. Hinton; he married 2) Herodia Rose > Jones 19 Nov 1845. He also had a son, Leonard Barton Mattingly, Jr. b. > 1829, > who married Elizabeth Greenwell. > I have Leonard Barton Mattingly born 6 Jan 1784 as marrying Anna Smith on on 12 Aug 1806 Wash Co. kY, by Father Nerinx and 2d to Rose Ann Fields in 1844. Charley > > >

Me too Charley. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharleyMoore@cs.com> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Barton Mattingly > In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ldmorales6838@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Hello, Mattingly researchers. I'm Laurie Morales > > > > Clement Mattingly/Sarah Brewer Allen > > Thomas Mattingly/Anna Carr ? (working) > > Laurie, etal > > I have Thomas Mattingly married to Anna Carr > as the son of Richard and Eleanor [HInton] Mattingly... > > Charley > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello everyone Just to add to the confusion Via O'Rourke's "Maryland Catholics on the Frontier" "The parish records of the Barrens indicate that Barton Mattingly and Elizabeth Cambron, married civilly about 1819, were married in a religious ceremony in 1824 by Rev. John Odin." This would be St. Mary fo the Barrens Parish Perryville, Mo. Perry County Missouri

> I've read the last several posts, and have this to offer, from the Indiana State Library, Genealogy Division, Indiana Marriages through 1850: Barton MATINGLY, md to Elizabeth Cambron, 01/01/1817 Perry Co., Indiana. From Laurie Morales Folks, Can someone please clarify for me because now I am confused. Laurie has found this marriage above, which presumably is for the Bartholomew/Barton Mattingly who died in Perry Co, MO, so can someone please tell me who this Barton is: Barton Mattingly m. Polly Cambron 8 Aug 1804 by Rev. Stephen Theodore Badin in Washington Co, KY Bk 1- pg 57 Washington County, KY Marriages. From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages 1792-1878" by Margaret Clark Kington, page 114. Here is another Barton... Barton Mattingly m. Anna Smith 6 Aug 1804 by the Rev Charles Nerinsky Book 1 pg 71 Washington County, KY Marriages. From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages 1792-1878" by Margaret Clark Kington, page 114. This is said to be Leonard Barton Mattingly b. 1784 son of Joseph F. Mattingly and Hessina A. Hinton; he married 2) Herodia Rose Jones 19 Nov 1845. He also had a son, Leonard Barton Mattingly, Jr. b. 1829, who married Elizabeth Greenwell. Shirley

Shirley, see my comments in caps below. WHAT A CONFUSING FAMILY !!! Judith Burger > > I've read the last several posts, and have this to offer, from the Indiana > State Library, Genealogy Division, Indiana Marriages through 1850: Barton > MATINGLY, md to Elizabeth Cambron, 01/01/1817 Perry Co., Indiana. > From Laurie Morales > > > Folks, > > Can someone please clarify for me because now I am confused. Laurie has > found this marriage above, which presumably is for the Bartholomew/Barton > Mattingly who died in Perry Co, MO, so can someone please tell me who this Barton is: > > Barton Mattingly m. Polly Cambron 8 Aug 1804 > by Rev. Stephen Theodore Badin in Washington Co, KY Bk 1- pg 57 Washington > County, KY Marriages. From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages > 1792-1878" by Margaret Clark Kington, page 114. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS BARTON MATTINGLY IS THE SON OF LUKE MATTINGLY AND BETSY/NELLY (DON'T KNOW WHICH YET, THE RECORD IS SO HARD TO READ) CAMBRON. HE MARRIED FIRST MARY "POLLY" CAMBRON IN 1804 WASHINGTON COUNTY, KENTUCKY. POLLY MUST HAVE DIED, HE MARRIED SECOND IN A CIVIL CEREMONY IN PERRY COUNTY, INDIANA, ELIZABETH CAMBRON. IN 1824 HE MARRIED ELIZABETH CAMBRON AGAIN "IN THE CHURCH", A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY, IN PERRY COUNTY, MISSOURI. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT NOW. > > > Here is another Barton... > > Barton Mattingly m. Anna Smith 6 Aug 1804 > by the Rev Charles Nerinsky Book 1 pg 71 Washington County, KY Marriages. > From the book "Washington County, Kentucky Marriages 1792-1878" by Margaret > Clark Kington, page 114. This is said to be Leonard Barton Mattingly b. 1784 > son of Joseph F. Mattingly and Hessina A. Hinton; he married 2) Herodia Rose > Jones 19 Nov 1845. He also had a son, Leonard Barton Mattingly, Jr. b. 1829, > who married Elizabeth Greenwell. I AGREE WITH ALL THIS. Judith > > Shirley

Laurie, Bless your heart. You have found what we have been looking so hard for. This is maybe the civil ceremony that O'Rourke was referring to in his MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, p. 171. Thanks a million. Thanks to you, I also found it on-line at Ancestry.com. Indiana Marriages to 1850. Judith Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie" <ldmorales6838@sbcglobal.net> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Barton Mattingly > Hello, Mattingly researchers. I'm Laurie Morales > > Clement Mattingly/Sarah Brewer Allen > Thomas Mattingly/Anna Carr ? (working) > Joshua Matney/Susannah Rogers > Daniel Matney/Sarah Cahill > Joshua Matney/Retta Hovard > Donald Matney/Donna Bradley > myself, Laurie Matney Morales > > I've read the last several posts, and have this to offer, from the Indiana State Library, Genealogy Division, Indiana Marriages through 1850: Barton MATINGLY, md to Elizabeth Cambron, 01/01/1817 Perry Co., Indiana. > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

During the 1930 census the mysterious Clarence Mattingly is found in St. Mary's, Perry County, Missouri. His wife is still named as Gertrude but the children are Olive 12 (must be the child listed as Alin E. in 1920) and Oville 7. The son of Reuben Mattingly and Mary Chavaux was still living at home in 1930 so this is obviously a different Clarence. Also in St. Mary's was Bernie Mattingly (William Bernard, son of Charles Brown Mattingly). Bernie was born in 1891 but the next youngest child was born in 1900. I'm wondering if anyone has seen anything which places this Clarence as a son of Charles Brown Mattingly. ************************** >From all I've seen Clarence was not married until 9-12-1939 to Mary Gladys Duvall and he appears on the 1930 census as a single man, aged 34. The 1920 census of Saline, Perry County, however, shows a Clarence Mattingly, aged 25, with a wife named Gertrude E., aged 20 and a daughter named Alin E. aged 1. This looks strikingly like Clarence but I'm not aware of an earlier marriage. Any thoughts?

Hello, Mattingly researchers. I'm Laurie Morales Clement Mattingly/Sarah Brewer Allen Thomas Mattingly/Anna Carr ? (working) Joshua Matney/Susannah Rogers Daniel Matney/Sarah Cahill Joshua Matney/Retta Hovard Donald Matney/Donna Bradley myself, Laurie Matney Morales I've read the last several posts, and have this to offer, from the Indiana State Library, Genealogy Division, Indiana Marriages through 1850: Barton MATINGLY, md to Elizabeth Cambron, 01/01/1817 Perry Co., Indiana.

>From all I've seen Clarence was not married until 9-12-1939 to Mary Gladys Duvall and he appears on the 1930 census as a single man, aged 34. The 1920 census of Saline, Perry County, however, shows a Clarence Mattingly, aged 25, with a wife named Gertrude E., aged 20 and a daughter named Alin E. aged 1. This looks strikingly like Clarence but I'm not aware of an earlier marriage. Any thoughts?

I've been asked by a Mattingly family member about a Fr. Larry Mattingly who officiated at funeral mass in a Catholic Church in Austin (Texas) "some time ago." The person wanted to know who this was and what his Mattingly ancestry might be. There was a Fr. Lawrence Mattingly, who was pastor of a parish in Granite City IL back in the 60s. He has been deceased for a long time and was born in 1908. I doubt that he generally went by Larry. HIS LINE: Fr. Lawrence Mattingly son of Emmett Francis Mattingly son of Francis Mattingly (my great great uncle) son of James Mattingly son of John Mattingly son of Henry Mattingly son of John Mattingly son of John Mattingly son of Caesar Mattingly son of Thomas Mattingly I'm pretty sure I've seen reference to another Fr. Lawrence Mattingly, who was a Conventual Franciscan, and was their provincial superior for awhile. I think he has also died. I have no idea how he fits into the family. I suspect he comes from one of the Kentucky lines, and that someone on the Mattingly forum could probably ID him.

Morning Fr. Blaine, I searched for Cambren in all the marriage references I have and did not find that spelling of a surname in any of them, but did find some census records starting in 1830. Search Results: Cambren Your search returned 17 matches in the databases below. 1830 United States Federal Census 1 (New Jersey ) 1870 United States Federal Census 5 1880 United States Federal Census 5 1930 United States Federal Census 6 However, I believe that Cambren is a mis-spelling of Cambron on the record below. Lots of these people were as dyslexic as I am and didn't have spell check. In thinking about all this I think O'Rourke has made an uncharacteristic mistake somewhere along the line, either that or we can't see the trees for the forest. MAYBE The Luke Mattingly that m/1 Miss Spalding and were Jeremiah's parents, (& Barton & Joseph) (History of Union County) m/2 Eleanor (Nelly) Cambron in 1772 (widow Thompson??) (O'Rourke, CATHOLIC FAMILIES OF SOUTHERN MARYLAND) m/3 Betha, widow Cambron, who was the sister-in-law to Nelly (Eleanor) Cambron or some such scenario and the names got mixed up in the process of trying to remember who was who when the priest wrote down the information.(WASHINGTON COUNTY MARRIAGES) It looks like the Witnesses to the marriage were Thomas Layton and Benedict Cambron. O'Rourke says in his MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, p. 238 Thomas Layton was the son of Zachariah Layton b. 1765 SMCM d. c 1839 Perry County MO, and Mary Rineyb. MD & d. Perry County MO Thomas was b c 1802 Washington County, KY, m. Sarah Duvall 1824 in Perryville, Mo, and d. Sept 1,1825 Perry County, MO. Zoe Cambron=none found BUT There is a Zeno Lawrence Cambron b. 1866 s/o Francis M. Cambron s/o James Cambron and Elizabeth Grass. MAYBE Zoe is a man's name in this case. Just a thought. p. 363 of O'Rourke's masterpiece. (MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER) He does not list a Benedict Cambron/Cambren and I don't have a good data base of Cambrons. The only Benedict Cambron I have is the s/o E. D. Cambron and Harriett b. 1841 in Kentucky on the 1850 Marion County, KY Census. Maybe somebody else has something. Lots of times the priest recorded Benedict for Bennet or Barnet etc. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Burkey" <blaineb@slu.edu> To: <MATTINGLY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Luke & Barton Mattingly > Judith, > > I have photocopies now of Barton's marriage record and what appears on > the verso. > > I will try to get a scan thereof sent to you. If this proves impossible, > I will send photocopies. > > I believe it indeed says Nelly. The N is rather florid, but the elly is > very distinct. > > But nowhere does it have Cambren. All five times it has very clearly > Cambern. > > Only in one of the five instances did it appear to say Camberin. BUT the > dot for the would-be "i" clearly comes from the other side of the paper > in the word Ludovici (i.e. Louis). > > This is what I've been able to transcribe. I hope the email enables it > to hold its format > > <XXII>.......| In 1824 > Barton........| ego infrascriptus in matrimonium con<unxi> > Mattingley..| Barton Mattingley filium Lucae Mattingley > &...........| & Nelly Cambern & Elizabeth Cambern > Elizabeth.....| filia Zoe Cambern, qui jam coram judi- > Cambern.....| ce > <..........................................................> > ...................| <........................> legitima > declaravi. Testes > ...................| fuerunt Thomas Layten & Benedict Cambern. > ...................| Odin s[acerdos] c[ongregationis] > m[issionum] > > I really don't know where O'Rourke found the date of the civil marriage. > Though there are parts which I have not yet unravelled, nothing therein > seems to signify "1819" or "five years ago." > > Till later. > > Fr. Blaine > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the MattinglyForum-subscribe@egroups.com > Your Host Website http://www.wvi.com/~wb > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner MATTINGLY-admin@rootsweb.com > mailto:MATTINGLY-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:MATTINGLY-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Judith, I have photocopies now of Barton's marriage record and what appears on the verso. I will try to get a scan thereof sent to you. If this proves impossible, I will send photocopies. I believe it indeed says Nelly. The N is rather florid, but the elly is very distinct. But nowhere does it have Cambren. All five times it has very clearly Cambern. Only in one of the five instances did it appear to say Camberin. BUT the dot for the would-be "i" clearly comes from the other side of the paper in the word Ludovici (i.e. Louis). This is what I've been able to transcribe. I hope the email enables it to hold its format <XXII>.......| In 1824 Barton........| ego infrascriptus in matrimonium con<unxi> Mattingley..| Barton Mattingley filium Lucae Mattingley &...........| & Nelly Cambern & Elizabeth Cambern Elizabeth.....| filia Zoe Cambern, qui jam coram judi- Cambern.....| ce <..........................................................> ...................| <........................> legitima declaravi. Testes ...................| fuerunt Thomas Layten & Benedict Cambern. ...................| Odin s[acerdos] c[ongregationis] m[issionum] I really don't know where O'Rourke found the date of the civil marriage. Though there are parts which I have not yet unravelled, nothing therein seems to signify "1819" or "five years ago." Till later. Fr. Blaine