The family shown is that of John Townley Mattingly. Most of the information I have on John comes by way of Tim Mattingly, a descendant. Townley apparently had eight sons but I know of only seven names. Some of the information I have is different, especially some of the dates of birth which I have based primarily on census records. For example you show the son John, born in 1798 while I have his birth in 1792. The Nancy Lane you show may very well have been a first wife but by 1839 he was married to Nancy Hopper, at least according to everything I have seen. Let me share some of what I have and we can discuss the differences. Descendants of John Townley Mattingly Generation No. 1 1. JOHN TOWNLEY1 MATTINGLY1 was born Abt. 1756 in Maryland, and died Abt. 1830 in Kentucky. He married BARBARA UNKNOWN. Notes for JOHN TOWNLEY MATTINGLY: It is believed, but not proven, that Townley came from Allegany County. Maryland. At this time his parentage has not been determined. The census of 1850 finds Townley's children in Mason County, Kentucky. There is one individual as yet unidentified but almost certainly from this line and that was a Ruth Mattingly, age 17 and residing in the home of John and Nancy Mefford, also in Mason County. A descendant, Tim Mattingly has provided much of the data herein. Further info has been gleaned from census records. Should you be in possession of information regarding the line of John Townley Mattingly, please contact me. He appears as Townley Mattingly on the 1820 census of Mason County, Kentucky, over the age of 45, as was his wife. There were six sons in the home; three between the ages of 18 and 26, and three between ages of 16 and 18. There were two daughters aged 16 to 26. Townley is gone from the census by 1830 and presumed dead. Two of his sons were grown men in 1820, with their own families; Richard and Andrew. That should have been a total of eight sons but only the names of seven are known. Children of JOHN MATTINGLY and BARBARA UNKNOWN are: 2. i. ANDREW MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1782, Pennsylvania; d. Aft. 1850. 3. ii. RICHARD MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1786, Maryland. 4. iii. HENRY MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1788. 5. iv. JOHN MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1792, Maryland; d. December 04, 1854, Kentucky. (On the 1850 census for Mason County, Kentucky. Rev. HEM reported that he was shown as guardian for two children on the census: Berta M. and Steal. My copy of the census does not shown a child named Berta. Other children may have included: Alexander, Nancy, Elizabeth (could be Jennie) and Berta. Death records report that John was aged 66 when he died in 1854. His mother's name was shown as Barbara on this record. Records show that John and Nancy were married in 1839 but the census records show him married by 1830. Court House records include the following: 4-8-1885 - Elizabeth, Amanda, John, Nancy, Susan, Steele L. Mattingly, Deed of Partition, from Nancy Mattingly et al. Deed, Vol. 87, p. 179. 4-8-1885 - Alexander, Margaret, Jane C., William, Richard Mattingly, Deed of Partition from Nancy Mattingly et al. Deed. Vol. 87, p. 179.) v. BARBARA MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1796. 6. vi. FREDERICK M. MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1798, Kentucky; d. Bef. 1860, Kentucky. vii. MARY MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1800. Notes for MARY MATTINGLY: Apparently never married and lived with her brother Frederick in 1850 and with his widow, Miranda, through 1880. 7. viii. JACOB FRANCIS MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1801, Mason County, Kentucky; d. Aft. December 1874, Kentucky. 8. ix. BARTON MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1804, Kentucky.

In a message dated 4/19/04 6:45:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CharleyMoore@cs.com writes: > I just remembered that someone found them in the 1880 Census in PA. The > Father had died or divorced the Mother in DC and married a man who took them to > Pennsylvania. Dear Mattingly list members: This is Lynda, responding to the various people who have tried to help in my search for James and Susanna Howard MATTINGLY. I found the item of Susanna and children, with step-dad in PA long ago. What I cannot find is James and Susanna together. I have documented generations 1 & 2. I cannot document James and Susanna's marriage. I have a death certificate of Alice Marian Mattingly stating her mother and father were James and Susanna. Following is the printout from my Family TreeMaker file. Can anyone find an error, or can anyone help in my quest for the previous information I do not have? Thank you, one and all for the help you have given. Descendants of John Mattingly Generation No. 1 1. JOHN1 MATTINGLY was born 1756 in Fairfax County, Virginia, and died 1831 in Fairfax County, Virginia. He married ELIZABETH UNKNOWN. She was born 1769. Notes for JOHN MATTINGLY: Mil Serv 1776 Rev War, pvt in Capt George Rice's co., Col Daniel Morgan's Regiment. (Title: DAR, Vol 82, page 336) Children of JOHN MATTINGLY and ELIZABETH UNKNOWN are: 2. i. JOHN2 MATTINGLY, b. 1798; d. 1870, Washington, DC ?. ii. RICHARD MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1786. iii. HENRY MATTINGLY, b. Bet. 1786 - 1788, Maryland. iv. FRED MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1798. v. JACOB FRANCIS MATTINGLY, b. 1801, Mason County, Kentucky. vi. BARTON MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1804. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN2 MATTINGLY (JOHN1) was born 1798, and died 1870 in Washington, DC ?. He married NANCY JANE LANE 1828. She was born 1808. More About JOHN MATTINGLY and NANCY LANE: Marriage: 1828 Children of JOHN MATTINGLY and NANCY LANE are: 3. i. JAMES EDWARD3 MATTINGLY, b. April 16, 1832, Virginia. ii. SAMUEL DAVIS MATTINGLY, b. 1833. iii. ISABELLA MATTINGLY, b. 1835. Generation No. 3 3. JAMES EDWARD3 MATTINGLY (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born April 16, 1832 in Virginia. He married SUSANNA HOWARD Abt. 1864 in Maryland. She was born Abt. 1837 in Washington, DC. More About JAMES MATTINGLY and SUSANNA HOWARD: Marriage: Abt. 1864, Maryland Children of JAMES MATTINGLY and SUSANNA HOWARD are: 4. i. ALICE MARION4 MATTINGLY, b. October 14, 1865, Washington, D. C.; d. September 24, 1917, 3:55 A.M., Northside, Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. ii. WILLIAM MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1867. iii. MELLY MATTINGLY, b. Abt. 1870.

In a message dated 4/17/2004 6:28:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AmLynda@aol.com writes: > I'm trying to find information regarding James MATTINGLY b. April 16, 1832 > in > VA, m. abt 1864 in MD to Susanna Howard b. abt 1837 in D.C. Their children > were all born in D.C.: > > Alice Marion b. October 14, 1865 > William b. abt 1867 > Melly b. abt 1870 > > Would anyone happen to have any data on James & Susanna from census sources Lynda I just remembered that someone found them in the 1880 Census in PA. The Father had died or divorced the Mother in DC and married a man who took them to Pennsylvania. I searched the 1880 Index for Melly. Got one hit. That gave me the State and entry. I have the 1880 Census on CD. Here they are on the 1880 Census Asbury VERMYLLION Self M M W 45 D. C. ..... Occ:.....Tinsmith Fa: D. C. Mo: D. C........... Susanna VERMYLLION Wife F M W 43 D. C. ......Occ:.... Keeping House Fa: D. C......Mo: D. C..... Alice MATTINGLY StepDau F S W 15 D. C. ..................Fa: D. C......Mo: D. C............................. William MATTINGLY StepSon M S W 13 D. C. ..................Fa: D. C......Mo: D. C............................. Melly MATTINGLY....StepDau.... F S W 10 D. C. ..................Fa: D. C......Mo: D. C............................. Imagine that. A very unique name. Only one in the whole USA in 1880. Do you know how to catch a unique Rabbit? Unique up on them - according to my great grandson. Charley

Shirley, etal The last information I had on that was as follows: Patrick Smeltzer 33 2d St # 100, Frazeburg, OH 43822-9610 The last price I had was $22. or 23. Charley Plattshirl@aol.com writes: > How do we get in touch with someone selling the book by Father Herman E. > Mattingly? > > Shirley

Patrick Smeltzer/Schmeltzer is the gentleman with the copyrights but I can't find his e-mail address at the moment. I know I have it and will continue looking. At 07:47 PM 4/19/2004 EDT, Plattshirl@aol.com wrote: >How do we get in touch with someone selling the book by Father Herman E. >Mattingly? > >Shirley

How do we get in touch with someone selling the book by Father Herman E. Mattingly? Shirley

I'm running slow with PC problems so someone may have already replied but HEM refers to Father Herman E. Mattingly, deceased, and his book, "The Mattingly Family in Early America". If you are working without access to his work, I would recommend you consider acquiring a copy. They aren't particularly expensive ($20 last I heard) and using it as a reference on the early family is almost essential. Not that the good father didn't make a few errors, he did, but they were few, to the best of my knowledge, and can be worked around quite easily. Meanwhile, I, and I suspect others, would be willing to help out where we can. Good luck on all this.

In a message dated 4/18/04 10:01:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CharleyMoore@cs.com writes: > I have those same notes with prob some coming from HEM Thank you for the information regarding the movement of D.C. A reference was made to a government (?) entity "HEM". May I ask what this is? Thanks. Lynda

In a message dated 4/17/2004 11:06:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wmatting@cablenet-va.com writes: > I find my e-mail is working just fine. Charley, I ran across this in my > notes from 2001, but don't recall who posted it. William, etal I have those same notes with prob some coming from HEM and some from Land Records and some from Pension Files. James Mattingly Obit was posted by Elizabeth [Kcandme103@aol.com: Obit: Alexander Gazette Apr 29, 1842. In Georgetown, on Thursday. the 20th Inst. Mr James Mattingly, in the 845h year of his age. The deeased served in the war of the revolution, and was at the Battle of Guilford Court House, S.C. under General Greene. He foremerly, for many years, resided in Fairfax County, VA, but for the last eighteen months has been a resident of Georgetown. Charley

William, etal The statement that James Mattingly, bc1760, entered Service in 1780 from DC was incorrect in James' application. There was not a DC until Dec 1, 1800, and it wasn't even discussed until about 1798/99. They entered from VA and applied for Pension from DC and, if died after 1846, were back in VA. I would presume that all of theCounty Records remained in VA for the entire period; however, I do not know if that is a true statement or not. Charley wmatting@cablenet-va.com writes: > The following James Mattingly, bc1760, entered Rev War Service in 1780 from > Alexandria, DC, now VA. Served in the 3rd VA Regt. Pensioned in 1818 in DC. > 1820 residence Fairfax Co, VA age 60 and wife 58. Farmer. In 1841 he lived > in DC where he moved to be near children who lived in Georgetown. Had a > younger brother, Thomas who lived in DC [who was a Justice of the Peace in > 1848]. S36055 R1655 Source: VA/WVA Genealogical Data from Rev War Pension > Files & Bounty Land Records, Iam-Myers

In a message dated 4/18/2004 9:53:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AmLynda@aol.com writes: Lynda: From 1800, Dec 1st was officially the origin of DC. It included over 30 square miles of Virginia: mainly Arlingon and Prince William Counties; and nearly 70 square miles of MD across the Potomac River. In 1800 Census, there were 14,103 residents of DC In 1846 all of DC on the South Side of Potomac River was returned to Virginia. So, if they entered into the Rev War from Alexandria, Prince William or whatever County, it was from Virginia. And, if they died in DC between 1800 and 1846 it could have been Alexandria or Prince William County. It may have included part of other counties like Fairfax - I'm not sure. Charley > > entered Rev War Service in 1780 from Alexandria, DC, now VA. > > Please excuse my ignorance of American history. I do remember 'way back in > school that Washington D.C. wasn't always our capitol. When did it become > so? > When there are people listed as being born in "D.C.", could it refer then to > Alexandria?

In a message dated 4/17/04 8:06:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wmatting@cablenet-va.com writes: > entered Rev War Service in 1780 from Alexandria, DC, now VA. Please excuse my ignorance of American history. I do remember 'way back in school that Washington D.C. wasn't always our capitol. When did it become so? When there are people listed as being born in "D.C.", could it refer then to Alexandria? Thanks for your time. Lynda

Wish I could help but all I have on James E. Mattingly is what appears on the 1850 census of Washington, DC, where he was listed as a Tanner, born in Virginia, and enumerated in the home of Charles Schusler.

I find my e-mail is working just fine. Charley, I ran across this in my notes from 2001, but don't recall who posted it. *********************** The following James Mattingly, bc1760, entered Rev War Service in 1780 from Alexandria, DC, now VA. Served in the 3rd VA Regt. Pensioned in 1818 in DC. 1820 residence Fairfax Co, VA age 60 and wife 58. Farmer. In 1841 he lived in DC where he moved to be near children who lived in Georgetown. Had a younger brother, Thomas who lived in DC [who was a Justice of the Peace in 1848]. S36055 R1655 Source: VA/WVA Genealogical Data from Rev War Pension Files & Bounty Land Records, Iam-Myers James Mattingly [Mattingley], applied for a pension on 21 Aug 1820 at age 60 under act of 1818. He enlisted from Alexandria, VA Sep 2, 1780 under Capt John Hawkins of 3rd Va Regt & continued to serve in said corps or in the services of the US until spring of 1783 when he was discharged at the Barracks near Winchester, VA. He further states that he was in battle of Guilford Courthouse and some skirmishes near Richmond and below Petersburgh; that he belonged to Virginia Line and date of his origiinal declaration was June 16, 1815, and the number of his certificate was 5,206. He names his wife Elizabeth, 58/9, bc 1761; two daughters: Nancy c34, bc1786; Massie 18, bc1802; and son Lewis, 28, bc1792. James signed in unusually good handwriting. He was pensioned in Virginia - transferred to DC [was near his brother Thomas in 1841] -and later transferred back to Virginia. Source: Virginia Pension Abstracts of the Revolution, 1812 and Indian Wars, Vol 16, 1862; and Lucy Kate McGhee, Box 6183, Apex Station, Washington 4, DC [HEM Notes]

In a message dated 4/17/2004 6:28:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AmLynda@aol.com writes: > Dear list: > > I have a John Mattingly born c 1756/9 in VA, died 1831 VA, Private in Capt > Rice's Camp, of Colonel Daniel Morgans Regiment of Virginia Troops. > John.marrried an Elizabeth __?__; and had a son, John Mattingly, Jr., born circa 1798, > died 1870, > marriied Nancy Jane Lane per Msgr Herman E. Mattingly, in his book, "The > Mattingly Family in Early America. John, Jr and Nancy had three children: > James Mattingly born circa 1832, 18 on 1850 Census; Isabella Mattingly, bc1835, 15 on 1850 Census; and Samuel Davis Mattingly, 1833 - 1893, married Hazeltine [Judson] Simpson & had a son, Samuel Davis Mattingly, Jr. b 1863 m 1884 Lucretia Smith It is possible that John above was brother of James Mattingly, bc1758, died 20 April 1842, DC; married 1784 Elizabeth ??? and had Nancy bc 1786; Masie bc1780; and Lewis bc 1792. James had a younger brother, Thomas Mattingly who was JP in DC in 1843. Charley I'm trying to find information regarding James MATTINGLY b. April 16, 1832 in > VA, m. abt 1864 in MD to Susanna Howard b. abt 1837 in D.C. Their children > were all born in D.C.: > > Alice Marion b. October 14, 1865 > William b. abt 1867 > Melly b. abt 1870

Dear list: I'm trying to find information regarding James MATTINGLY b. April 16, 1832 in VA, m. abt 1864 in MD to Susanna Howard b. abt 1837 in D.C. Their children were all born in D.C.: Alice Marion b. October 14, 1865 William b. abt 1867 Melly b. abt 1870 Would anyone happen to have any data on James & Susanna from census sources or anything else? I have been searching for months, to no avail. Thank you. Lynda Snider

Judith, etal We ran into that same problem in the fall of 1996, when we found that record in St Marys County. What did we do. We took a look at the family of Leonard and found that Jane was always listed as the oldest, followed by John. We than noted that Jane married in 1788 Nov 19, and brother John did not have his first son until 24 Dec 1791. This gave us considerable room to work out the birthdate for Jane and John. It would be real easy to place John's birthdate up to 1765 and Jane to 1763. This would make Polly, born 1749, 14 years of age when Jane was born. I guess we could move John up to 1766 or 67 with Jane at 65 and Polly is now 16. I know it is not nice to play with dates; however, I do not have any set in concrete dates for Polly and John's marriage, or for Jane's birth. Is there something to define not later than, or not before. My Great Grandmother Sarah [Hayes] born 1798 married Thomas McColgin in 1812 and had 5 children by 1823 when Thomas died and she married William Vaughn in 1823, possibly within a few days or weeks of Thomas death as she her 5 th child was not born until two weeks later. After 4 Vaughn children, William died in 1835; and she then married my Great Grandfather, Jesse Allen Moore, in 1836 and had 4 more children. She was a Grandmother by 31 or 32. And, Jesse and Sarah celebrated their Golden Anniversary in '86 before she died in 1987. I know that John presumably financed the trip to KY, and was never repaid by Leonard, but it may be that Dad had some money; and Mary Polly may have came with a dower. Charley bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > Hello List! > I'm still picking at 'ole Luke Mattingly, father of Barton of Perry County, > Missouri fame, and in the process of inquiry was gifted with this abstract of > the distribution account of George Hayden the father of Mary Hayden who m. > Leonard Mattingly, Sr. As you see the ages of his children are listed and > Mary is 6 years old in 1755, and that makes her birth date 1749. Therefore she > would have been too young at age 11 in 1760 to be married and bear the first > 2 children we have listed for Leonard Mattingly Sr. SO, did Leonard Sr. have > a previous wife before Mary Hayden, or are the first two children we have > listed for him, not his??? I have Jane b. c 1760 and John c 1762. She, Mary > Hayden, would have been 17 years old in 1766 for Leonard Mattingly Jr.. > That's possible. Just a little food for thought. Judith

Judith I guess we'll have to fall back on Msgr HEM's note that Charles had 6 children, but he only knew the names of 4, and none of the 4 were Charles. Remember 'Smilin Jack' in the funny pages? He had an Army Pilot with the name Lt. Charles Charles Hotshot Charlie. Better say no, it might date you. That was probably about 50 years ago or so. Has anyone found the names of the other two? Charley > > > > bburger1-2@comcast.net writes: > > > Charley, I have found a few more records with the name Charles Mattingly on > > them. One seems to indicate that there may have been two in St. Mary's > > County in 1726. Could this be father and son or just a typo?? Who knows. > > Judith > > > > MARYLAND PREROGATIVE COURT ABSTRACTS, 1724-1731, Libers 6-10, Skinner, p. > > 52, FTMCD 206 > > Thomas Melton 7.404 A SM L94.13.10 L24.19.10 July 5 1726 > > Received from: John Mattingly, John Pery, CHARLES MATTINGLY, Edword Furr, > > Thomas Johnson, William Prichett, Samuell Maddox, Thomas Green, John > > Shingly, Mary Prichett, John Suttell, Robert Long, CHARLES MATTINGLY, > > Margarett Madox,Robert Macklacklan, Mr. Henry Wharton. > > Payments to: Capt. Richard Hopewell, Edmund Farr, George Buck, Matthew > > Herbert, Thomas Nichols, John Burroughs, Vincent Taylor, Mr. Samuell > > Williamson, Thomas Scott. > > Executrix (surviving): Mary Walker, wife of Thomas Walker. > > NOTE: Appears to be two Charles Mattinglys listed. > > =========================================

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Will possibly be off line for a day or more as my PC is visiting the shop in the morning. Possibly have a virus and my scanner doesn't clear it.