Now where did the info come from that William (son of John and Elizabeth), born in 1747, married Jane White, and had at least two sons: Edward 1787 and Baptist? According to entries on LDS, William migrated West and son Edward stayed behind in Maryland. William and Jane reportedly (per LDS) had 8 sons and one daughter. Edward reportedly married Anne Knott and had about 4 children: Signey Anne, Edward, Lucy Elizabeth, and Thomas. I don't know how accurate this information is and have been unable to substantiate it. *********** >I think that document is giving William as born in 1747 son of John >Mattingly who died in 1759. John Mattingly died in 1759 not William. If >William died in 1759, he would only have been 12 y.o. and no will would be >found.

Carol, I think that document is giving William as born in 1747 son of John Mattingly who died in 1759. John Mattingly died in 1759 not William. If William died in 1759, he would only have been 12 y.o. and no will would be found. Paul

Thanks Paul, this is helpful. We are working on this & pursing several different research sources & paths. I will post anything significant we find to the Mattingly list. Carol in WA

Carol, This William was the son of John Mattingly (son of John son of Cezar). I have no source for the name of his mother, other than Elizabeth. I have not seen any source that she was a Brewer (not to say that she isn't but William's grandparents were John and Grace Mattingly and perhaps the source is getting their signals crossed since Grace was suspected to be a Brewer). William is listed in the administrative accounts of his father, John, and is listed as being born in 1747. We probably have more info on this William but I suspect that we have it attributed to the many different Williams in MD (William of Thomas II and William of Ignatius of Thomas II). If you check your source and find out anything else, let us know. I would love to learn more about the children of John. Paul

In a message dated 6/12/01 6:52:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << What is your source for a William Mattingly d 1759, s/o John and Grace. There is no William named in John's will, but William may have died before the will was drawn. I have not found him, anyway. Judith Burger >> xxx Judith, as I noted on my post I was unsure of the source of this data & wondered if anyone had anything on it from your list. It was sent to me & I suspect it was contributed to LDS History Center data. Needs looking into. I don't recall off the top of my head date of John's will, nor if I have a copy of it. Didn't you post it recently with Grace & husband Johnson as administrators? Carol in WA

Carol, sorry, our e-mails must have crossed in cyberspace. I was in error about John Mattingly d 1745 having a will, it was a Prerogative Court Account as you noted and Grace Johnson wife of Peter Johnson was listed as the administratrix. Sorry. Judith Burger > I don't recall off the top of my head date of John's will, nor if I have a > copy > of it. Didn't you post it recently with Grace & husband Johnson as > administrators? > > Carol in WA

The data below was sent to me. Not sure of its source & will check on that. May be LDS data? Does anyone have anything more about this William? Is there a will or documents to support the data below? Carol in WAi In a message dated 6/11/01 10:24:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << William MATTINGLY *died young ? Sex: M Birth: Oct 1747 Saint Mary's, Maryland Father: John MATTINGLY Mother: Elizabeth Brewer Birth: Abt 1715 , Saint Mary's, Maryland Death: 1759 , Saint Mary's, Maryland Burial: 1759 , Saint Mary's, Maryland Father: John MATTINGLY Mother: Grace >>

The below data leaves me wondering who the (among others) were. They may be names some might relate to, but unknown as relating to the family by who transcribe this data. I'd like to see that document. Also Looking for a will in St Mary's Co, Md 1759 for Wm Mattingly, s/o John & Grace. Carol in WA In a message dated 6/12/01 5:46:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Peter Johnson 25.11 A SM 125.14.3 183.5.9 December 20, 1748 Sureties: Clement Hayden, Richard Hayden Payments to: (among others) James Hayden, Mary Johnson, George Graves, Priscilla Chesher, John Mattingly guardian to his brother, James Mattingly (due from estate of his father John Mattingly), Grace Johnson (guardian to Luke Mattingly & Joseph Mattingly (orphans of John Mattingly). Administrator: George Hayden >>

What is your source for a William Mattingly d 1759, s/o John and Grace. There is no William named in John's will, but William may have died before the will was drawn. I have not found him, anyway. Judith Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Grace Mattingly Johnson > The below data leaves me wondering who the (among others) were. They may > be names some might relate to, but unknown as relating to the family by > who transcribe this data. I'd like to see that document. > > Also Looking for a will in St Mary's Co, Md 1759 for Wm Mattingly, s/o > John & Grace. > > Carol in WA > > In a message dated 6/12/01 5:46:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Peter Johnson 25.11 A SM 125.14.3 183.5.9 December 20, 1748 > Sureties: Clement Hayden, Richard Hayden > Payments to: (among others) James Hayden, Mary Johnson, George Graves, > Priscilla Chesher, John Mattingly guardian to his brother, James > Mattingly (due from estate of his father John Mattingly), Grace Johnson > (guardian to Luke Mattingly & Joseph Mattingly (orphans of John > Mattingly). > Administrator: George Hayden > >> > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

I've seen several entries for Grace Brewer(?) Mattingly Johnson and have come across another one complements of a Johnson family member. Apparently, after John Mattingly (d. 1744) died, his widow, Grace, married Peter Johnson. Peter died in 1747 and left a will naming several of John's children. In the following years multiple entries are made in the Administrative Accounts and the Perogative Court Abstacts for the disposal of his estate. They are as follows: Administrative Accounts: Administrative Accounts: Admin accts of Peter Johnson April 8, 1747 and May 19, 1747 Appraisers: M. Thompson and Richard Cooper Next of Kin: Thomas and John Johnson Exec: George Hayden Skinner (half brother of Grace Hayden) Administrative Accounts: Admin accts of Peter Johnson December 20 1748 Sureties: Clement Hayden, Richard Hayden Payments to: (among others) John Mattingly, guardian tohis brother, James Mattingly. Grace Johnson, guardian to Luke Mattingly and Joseph Mattingly orphans of John Mattingly Perogative Court Abstracts 174-1750: Peter Johnson 25.11 A SM 125.14.3 183.5.9 December 20, 1748 Sureties: Clement Hayden, Richard Hayden Payments to: (among others) James Hayden, Mary Johnson, George Graves, Priscilla Chesher, John Mattingly guardian to his brother, James Mattingly (due from estate of his father John Mattingly), Grace Johnson (guardian to Luke Mattingly & Joseph Mattingly (orphans of John Mattingly). Administrator: George Hayden Now, somewhere between Peter's will being administered by Grace Johnson and John Johnson and the administrative accounts being administered by George Hayden there seems to be a shift from the Johnson family to the Hayden family. Is the Grace Hayden that is cited, Grace Mattingly Johnson? And is her brother, George, administering the accounts? If so, then Grace wasn't a Brewer after all. Which leads us back to the question of how John Mattingly was the "brother-in-law" of Elizabeth Greenock. One point of interest - the turn "in-law" seems to be used in the 18th century to denote what we call "step". Perhaps John Mattingly was her "stepbrother"? If we have any linguistic scholars out there can you tell us when the modern meaning of "in-law" came in to use? Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

Sounds almost like a dream come true but you're right; it would take the fun out of it. I'm glad we have a few folks like yourself who have the time and energy to get out and do what you're doing. *************** Talking about bible records - one of my employees is from Korea. Her family has kept a family record for 600 years, including births, deaths, marriages, etc.. Can you imagine? However, it does kind of take all of the fun out of genealogy. What would we being doing right now for fun?

Talking about bible records - one of my employees is from Korea. Her family has kept a family record for 600 years, including births, deaths, marriages, etc.. Can you imagine? However, it does kind of take all of the fun out of genealogy. What would we being doing right now for fun? Paul

Morning All, I found this Prerogative Court Abstract of John Mattenly with son Ignatius named as an orphan. I don't seem to have the original will. Anyway here is another Ignatius who I have in my files as born in 1722, That is too old for the Ignatius died in 1839, but I don't have any children for him or most of his brothers, so maybe he named a son Ignatius? Irrelevant, maybe, but I thought I'd throw it into the pot. Judith Burger John Mattenly 21.366 A(account) SM(St. Mary's County) L225.19.8 L255.0. 10 Jun 21 1745 Sureties: John Mattenly, George Haden Received from: John Poore. Payments to: Ann Haden, Matthew Harbert, Mr. Philip Key, John Chesher, Edward Mattenly, James Thompson. Distribution to: accountant (1/3). Residue to (orphans): John Mattenly, Ignatius Mattenly, Richard Mattenly, Luke Mattenley, Joseph Mattenley, Elizabeth Mattenley, Susanna Mattenley. Administratrix: Grace Johnson, wife of Peter Johnson (Grace Brewer married 1st John Mattingly) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Mattingly Wills > There have been a good many Ignatius Mattingly's but the ones I reference > below were: > > Ignatius likely aft 1770, son of Peter Mattingly - Catherine Spalding > Ignatius, Sr. 1704 and Sarah then follows Ignatius Jr. 1750, III 1781, and > IV 1811. > > > ************* > Sr. and Jr. of the Thomas II line (Ignatius, Sr. 1704 to 1789 and 1750 for > Jr. to 1807). The early census records of Maryland (1790, 1800, and 1810) > show both an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. during each year. We might surmise these > two men were Ignatius, Jr. and III, at least through the year 1800. However > in 1810 we still find an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. Ignatius, IV was not born > until 1811 and Ignatius, Jr. was dead by 1807. With only Ignatius, III > still alive in 1810 (but may have been in Kentucky by this time), we're > obviously looking at a 5th and possibly 6th, Ignatius (perhaps shown as a > Jr. to differentiate between the two men). None of the other men named > Ignatius and alive in the right time period, seem to fit. Example: > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

There have been a good many Ignatius Mattingly's but the ones I reference below were: Ignatius likely aft 1770, son of Peter Mattingly - Catherine Spalding Ignatius, Sr. 1704 and Sarah then follows Ignatius Jr. 1750, III 1781, and IV 1811. ************* Sr. and Jr. of the Thomas II line (Ignatius, Sr. 1704 to 1789 and 1750 for Jr. to 1807). The early census records of Maryland (1790, 1800, and 1810) show both an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. during each year. We might surmise these two men were Ignatius, Jr. and III, at least through the year 1800. However in 1810 we still find an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. Ignatius, IV was not born until 1811 and Ignatius, Jr. was dead by 1807. With only Ignatius, III still alive in 1810 (but may have been in Kentucky by this time), we're obviously looking at a 5th and possibly 6th, Ignatius (perhaps shown as a Jr. to differentiate between the two men). None of the other men named Ignatius and alive in the right time period, seem to fit. Example:

In a message dated 6/7/01 12:49:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > William, I show an Arnold Ignatius Mattingly abt 1821 in Lebonan, > J.Marion, Ky. married to Eliza Jane Madden who's > mother was Henrietta Miles. If this helps I can give some more info both > directions...Ralph Mattingly > > Ralph, Can you clarify more on these families, please? Thanks! > >

In a message dated 6/8/01 8:11:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > We're all familiar with the Ignatius, > Sr. and Jr. of the Thomas II line (Ignatius, Sr. 1704 to 1789 and 1750 for > Jr. to 1807). The early census records of Maryland (1790, 1800, and 1810) > show both an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. during each year. We might surmise these > two men were Ignatius, Jr. and III, at least through the year 1800. However > in 1810 we still find an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. Ignatius, IV was not born > until 1811 and Ignatius, Jr. was dead by 1807. With only Ignatius, III > still alive in 1810 (but may have been in Kentucky by this time), we're > obviously looking at a 5th and possibly 6th, Ignatius (perhaps shown as a > Jr. to differentiate between the two men). None of the other men named > Ignatius and alive in the right time period, seem to fit. Example: > William, Could you please put these Ignatius Mattinglys in order with their dates, locations and spouses on the list? I have Thomas II, then Ignatius, Sr (1704-1789; m. Sarah), Ignatius Jr (1750-1807; m. Eleanor Ford, Eleanor Shercliffe), then who do we have??? Thanks! I'd rather have it spelled out clearly than try and guess what the lineage is supposed to be. Shirley

Thank you Karen for this helpful information. Ralph, Austin, TX

Hi Ralph, The article says that slave Isaac was born in 1844 and at the time he was sold he was 7, brother Louis was 9, Ambrose was 5 and Eddie was 2. The year must have been around 1851ish. I will have to look for them in the 1850 census and learn what county they were living on the banks of the Green River. The Kentucky Explorer Magazine does have a free section online. The address is http://kentuckyexplorer.com/ . They usually run a years worth of some of their stories online. I just checked and they are up to April 2001. Keep checking back and I believe that they may have this story online. It's a great little magazine. Karen From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Kentucky Explorer Magazine June 2001 article Which William Mattingly? > Hi Karen---- > Thanks for the summary of this very interesting article. Does the > article say how old the young slave, Isaac Yeager was when he was sold to > William Mattingly? Thanks, > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

William---- Thanks for your comments about our "Ignatius Mattingly - 1839" possibly being a son of Peter and Catherine Spalding Mattingly. I also show a "Philip Mattingly" as a son of this couple, if this clue is of any help. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Hi Karen---- Thanks for the summary of this very interesting article. Does the article say how old the young slave, Isaac Yeager was when he was sold to William Mattingly? Thanks, Ralph Banks, Austin, TX