Does anyone know where HEM got the year of births for each of the children of Thomas III? I'm trying to separate out the data for James of Thomas II and James of Thomas III and I'm trying to get the dates right to get some other info to fit in. Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

Joe, The Edward Mattingly that never married was the son of Thomas Mattingly and Elizabeth Warren and was born c. 1710. The other Edward that you mentioned was the son of Thomas IV and I think that this is Captain Edward Mattingly. I have seen reference to Thomas' IV wife being a Doyne but I can't find any clear evidence of this. His brother, James, married Elizabeth Doyne, daughter of Ignatius Doyne of Charles County. Paul

Thanks, All i have fits is these 2. Edward b.ca1710 son of Thomas and Elizabeth Warren. Edawrd b.1749/52 son of Thomas and --Doyne.This Edward is from The Marriages of St.Marys Co book.Second reference is from Dr.Thomas Gerrard Family.He was a Rev War veteran. He m. Martha (Patty) Simms. Also i had an Edward never married and left his estate to his neices and nephews or do i have the wrong name here? Joe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Re: Edward Mattingly > >Judith and Joe, > >The only Edward that I have that would be a candidate to be the Edward that >served in the Rev War was Edward son of Thomas IV. He is likely the >Edward, Jr that is witness to the will of his cousin Dorothy Mattingly, >daughter of James of Thomas III. Does anyone else have an Edward that >would fit this Captain Edward Mattingly? > >Paul > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Judith and Joe, The only Edward that I have that would be a candidate to be the Edward that served in the Rev War was Edward son of Thomas IV. He is likely the Edward, Jr that is witness to the will of his cousin Dorothy Mattingly, daughter of James of Thomas III. Does anyone else have an Edward that would fit this Captain Edward Mattingly? Paul

Has anyone researched the Canadian Mattingly line at all? I am in correspondence with a lady named Brooke Mattingly of Southern Ontario whose lineage is as follows: Mattingley, Brooke 1981 Mattingley, Douglas, 1948 & Ruth Harshaw Mattingley, Gordon 1908 & Dorothy Cox Mattingley, Thomas 1888 & Hazel Buckborough Mattingley, William 1860 & Lizzie Fitzgerald Mattingley, William about 1835 & Sarah Church Possibly Mattingley, William I suspect Brooke's family ties in with the U. S. line at some point and have wondered if this might be descendants of the Ohio clan.

From "MARRIAGES AND DEATHS from the MARYLAND GAZETTE 1727-1839", Compiled by Robert Barnes, Genealogical Publ. Co. Inc., Baltimore, 1976, p. 124 "MATTINGLY, Capt. Edward, died on Wed., 5th inst., in his 69th year, an officer in the Revolution. In early life he entered the tented field in the defence of our rights and in the eventful struggle aided to establish American liberty. He has since lived in retirement in St. M. Co. (Sept. 20, 1821)" ------------------------------------------------------Judith Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Re: Edward Mattingly > Paul, > That's why i asked.Thought i had a 2nd Edward but can't seem > to find the note right now. > Joe Mattingly > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:58 AM > Subject: [MATTINGLY] Re: Edward Mattingly > > > > > >Joe, > > > >I assume that you are asking about the Edward Mattenly that received > >payments from John Mattingly's estate. It is assumed by most that this is > >Edward son of Thomas III. I have had some problems with this for a while > >but for no particular reason. It just seems odd that John's estate would > >be paying money to his 2nd cousin. However, it is presumed by Edward's > >multiple land dealings that he was "wealthy" and if John needed a loan then > >his second cousin would have been as good as any. HEM hints at the > >possibility that there were 2 Edwards in the mid 1700's but I can't seem to > >find any clear evidence that this was the case. > > > >Paul > > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > >We also have the [email protected] > >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Paul, That's why i asked.Thought i had a 2nd Edward but can't seem to find the note right now. Joe Mattingly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Re: Edward Mattingly > >Joe, > >I assume that you are asking about the Edward Mattenly that received >payments from John Mattingly's estate. It is assumed by most that this is >Edward son of Thomas III. I have had some problems with this for a while >but for no particular reason. It just seems odd that John's estate would >be paying money to his 2nd cousin. However, it is presumed by Edward's >multiple land dealings that he was "wealthy" and if John needed a loan then >his second cousin would have been as good as any. HEM hints at the >possibility that there were 2 Edwards in the mid 1700's but I can't seem to >find any clear evidence that this was the case. > >Paul > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Does anyone have a couple named John and Harriet Mattingly? I have a DC land deed from 1828 listing them. Would be curious to know. Best regards, Elizabeth Culhane Fairport, New York

Me again. I noticed that a George Haden acted as surety to John Mattinglys estate. I wonder if this is the same George Hayden/Haden that acted as executor to the accounts of Peter Johnson, Grace's second husband (widow of John Mattingly)? Paul

I think that I have asked this questions before but does anyone know what "surety" means, as in "sureties: John Mattenly and George Haden". Is this someone acting as a guarantor that the debts of the estate will be paid? Paul

Joe, I assume that you are asking about the Edward Mattenly that received payments from John Mattingly's estate. It is assumed by most that this is Edward son of Thomas III. I have had some problems with this for a while but for no particular reason. It just seems odd that John's estate would be paying money to his 2nd cousin. However, it is presumed by Edward's multiple land dealings that he was "wealthy" and if John needed a loan then his second cousin would have been as good as any. HEM hints at the possibility that there were 2 Edwards in the mid 1700's but I can't seem to find any clear evidence that this was the case. Paul

I thought this Edward Mattingly was probably the son of Thomas III and Elizabeth Warren, Judith Burger -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This shows distribution to mostly family members but i don't > have this Edward Mattingly. Is he of the Thomas line? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Mattingly Wills > > > >Morning All, I found this Prerogative Court Abstract of John Mattenly with > >son Ignatius named as an orphan. I don't seem to have the original will. > >Anyway here is another Ignatius who I have in my files as born in 1722, > >That is too old for the Ignatius died in 1839, but I don't have any > children > >for him or most of his brothers, so maybe he named a son Ignatius? > >Irrelevant, maybe, but I thought I'd throw it into the pot. Judith Burger > > > >John Mattenly 21.366 A(account) SM(St. Mary's County) L225.19.8 > >L255.0. 10 Jun 21 1745 > > Sureties: John Mattenly, George Haden > > Received from: John Poore. > > Payments to: Ann Haden, Matthew Harbert, Mr. Philip Key, John Chesher, > >Edward Mattenly, James Thompson. > > Distribution to: accountant (1/3). Residue to (orphans): John Mattenly, > >Ignatius Mattenly, Richard Mattenly, Luke Mattenley, Joseph Mattenley, > >Elizabeth Mattenley, Susanna Mattenley. > > Administratrix: Grace Johnson, wife of Peter Johnson (Grace Brewer > >married 1st John Mattingly) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "William R Mattingly" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:30 AM > >Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Mattingly Wills > > > > > >> There have been a good many Ignatius Mattingly's but the ones I reference > >> below were: > >> > >> Ignatius likely aft 1770, son of Peter Mattingly - Catherine Spalding > >> Ignatius, Sr. 1704 and Sarah then follows Ignatius Jr. 1750, III 1781, > and > >> IV 1811. > >> > >> > >> ************* > >> Sr. and Jr. of the Thomas II line (Ignatius, Sr. 1704 to 1789 and 1750 > >for > >> Jr. to 1807). The early census records of Maryland (1790, 1800, and > >1810) > >> show both an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. during each year. We might surmise > >these > >> two men were Ignatius, Jr. and III, at least through the year 1800. > >However > >> in 1810 we still find an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. Ignatius, IV was not > born > >> until 1811 and Ignatius, Jr. was dead by 1807. With only Ignatius, III > >> still alive in 1810 (but may have been in Kentucky by this time), we're > >> obviously looking at a 5th and possibly 6th, Ignatius (perhaps shown as > a > >> Jr. to differentiate between the two men). None of the other men named > >> Ignatius and alive in the right time period, seem to fit. Example: > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > >> <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > >> We also have the [email protected] > >> Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > >> Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > >> To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > >> > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > >> > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > >> > >> ============================== > >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >> > > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > >We also have the [email protected] > >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > > > >============================== > >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

This shows distribution to mostly family members but i don't have this Edward Mattingly. Is he of the Thomas line? -----Original Message----- From: Burger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Mattingly Wills >Morning All, I found this Prerogative Court Abstract of John Mattenly with >son Ignatius named as an orphan. I don't seem to have the original will. >Anyway here is another Ignatius who I have in my files as born in 1722, >That is too old for the Ignatius died in 1839, but I don't have any children >for him or most of his brothers, so maybe he named a son Ignatius? >Irrelevant, maybe, but I thought I'd throw it into the pot. Judith Burger > >John Mattenly 21.366 A(account) SM(St. Mary's County) L225.19.8 >L255.0. 10 Jun 21 1745 > Sureties: John Mattenly, George Haden > Received from: John Poore. > Payments to: Ann Haden, Matthew Harbert, Mr. Philip Key, John Chesher, >Edward Mattenly, James Thompson. > Distribution to: accountant (1/3). Residue to (orphans): John Mattenly, >Ignatius Mattenly, Richard Mattenly, Luke Mattenley, Joseph Mattenley, >Elizabeth Mattenley, Susanna Mattenley. > Administratrix: Grace Johnson, wife of Peter Johnson (Grace Brewer >married 1st John Mattingly) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William R Mattingly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:30 AM >Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Mattingly Wills > > >> There have been a good many Ignatius Mattingly's but the ones I reference >> below were: >> >> Ignatius likely aft 1770, son of Peter Mattingly - Catherine Spalding >> Ignatius, Sr. 1704 and Sarah then follows Ignatius Jr. 1750, III 1781, and >> IV 1811. >> >> >> ************* >> Sr. and Jr. of the Thomas II line (Ignatius, Sr. 1704 to 1789 and 1750 >for >> Jr. to 1807). The early census records of Maryland (1790, 1800, and >1810) >> show both an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. during each year. We might surmise >these >> two men were Ignatius, Jr. and III, at least through the year 1800. >However >> in 1810 we still find an Ignatius, Sr. and Jr. Ignatius, IV was not born >> until 1811 and Ignatius, Jr. was dead by 1807. With only Ignatius, III >> still alive in 1810 (but may have been in Kentucky by this time), we're >> obviously looking at a 5th and possibly 6th, Ignatius (perhaps shown as a >> Jr. to differentiate between the two men). None of the other men named >> Ignatius and alive in the right time period, seem to fit. Example: >> >> >> >> ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== >> <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >> We also have the [email protected] >> Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >> Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >> To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >> >> ============================== >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >> > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Maybe someone has information on this Josie Mattingly and can share it with us. A cemetery listing for Sherman, Grayson County, Texas lists the following Mattingly's; each of whom are likely children, in-laws, and grandchildren of Josie. Mattingly, Adelia H. Miller 1880 to 1944 Mattingly, George 9-14-1879 to 9-19-1942 Mattingly, Josie E. 10-8-1858 to 1-1-1942 Mattingly, P. J. 12-8-1846 to 6-22-1893 (Josie's Wife?) Mattingly, Pauline 6-30-1883 to 10-15-1964 Mattingly, Ray 9-20-1881 to 8-10-1882 Mattingly, George Edward, Sr. 3-21-1913 to 9-27-1949 **************************** I am in the process of buying a house in Sherman, Grayson county TX that was previous owned by Josie MATTINGLY. He purchased 3 lots of land for $350 during June 1877 and built a house on the lots by 1887 according to the original locks still on the windows. At this point I do not know anything of he or his family. As I am into genealogy on all of my other lines, I thought it might be nice to learn about the original owner/builder of my new/old home. During November 1903, Josie MATTINGLY sold the home to AlLen H. and Winnie CHAMBERS. By any chance have you come across these names in your research of the MATTINGLY family?

I found a court deposition of John son of James of Thomas and Robert son of James of Thomas in the Charles County Land Records on 20 June 1769. Their ages are listed as 27 and 32, respectively. HEM lists their year of births as c. 1738 and c. 1740. This record would indicate that their birth years should have been 1742 and 1737, respectively. John and Robert are giving depositions regarding the location of a piece of property. I don't know why they would be in Charles County as I have indications that they were in SMC. Of course, these counties are right next door and they very possibly still had family ties there. Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

I would't be surprised to learn that John and Dykeander were in Kentucky. Several of their children were so why not them as well. At times it seems nearly everyone was leaving Maryland. Course, there's enough Mattingly's left in Maryland that we won't have to worry about running out of people to research there for a long time. **************** P.S. Let me double check this but I think that the John Baptist that was >in KY applied for benefits that were owed to him from service in the >Revolutionary War and he lists his wife as Dyeander Boswell. Don't hold me >to that and I'll double check it tonight.

I just heard back from my Johnson family expert and he reports that it was "common knowledge" that Grace who married Peter Johnson was a Hayden that married John Mattingly and then Peter Johnson. He also reports that she was eventually married 5 times - outlasting 5 husbands. He tells me that there is another Johnson family expert and she cites this info in a book that she has written. Her last name is Conner but he couldn't remember much else. I'll keep you up-to-date as I find things.

P.S. Let me double check this but I think that the John Baptist that was in KY applied for benefits that were owed to him from service in the Revolutionary War and he lists his wife as Dyeander Boswell. Don't hold me to that and I'll double check it tonight.

William, This stuff cracks me up. I have not heard about the William who married Jane White but I noticed that HEM reports an article that appeared in the "Washington Star" in DC in 1916. The article reported that Edward Mattingly was born in 1779 (he had a brother named George who was born in 1801) and was the son of a William Mattingly who was married to Jane White.. Edward married Anne Knott in 1812 and had the 4 children that you named. The article claims that it was Edward's brother, Baptist Mattingly, that moved to Bardstown, KY and had 9 sons. HEM didn't give much credence to this article and I believe that Charley Moore also read the original articles and didn't have much faith in them being accurate. Now I don't have any info on these people but I suppose that William could have been the son of John of John of Cezar. This William was born in 1747 and would have been 32 when Edward was born. This William did have a brother named John Baptist (son of John of Cezar) but I think that most people believe that this is the John Baptist that married Dykeander Boswell in VA (HEM cites this as a ?? possibility). So we are back to the question of which John Baptist went to KY and this one apparently believes that it was the John Baptist of John of Cezar. Remember, my mother always said that there is always some truth to every rumor or myth.

See the email below from Norma telling where this data came from & that it was in error. It did get us looking at this William's data though. I am interested in the comment that some of the data attributed to Thomas II's descendants may be that of Cezar's descendants. One of these days I'll do some checking into that one. It might be why we can't find some of those connections we're looking for. Carol in WA In a message dated 6/12/01 8:30:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [MATTINGLY] Re: Wm Mattingly d 1759 ? Date: 6/12/01 8:30:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Norma Lewis) To: [email protected] I think we did find a source for this John being married to an Elizabeth Brewer. We were going back and forth trying to keep them straight. That note on William was from LDS ~ sorry if it confused everyone, BUT we need to post this stuff to get it corrected. It is listed in LDS as a death, not as a birth. That contributor made a mistake, but we need to note that in our research. I found this when I did a search for all William Mattinglys on LDS. Even with errors we find something important. Somebody found a record with these dates, they recorded it incorrectly. Norma >>