-----Original Message----- From: Carlis <[email protected]> To: AdairCountyConnection <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [AdairCountyConnection] When is a Jr. not a Son? >Hi Everybody! > >This was sent to me by a friend, I am passing it to >the list. > >Carlis >-- > >FAMILY TREE FINDERS > > >When is a Jr. not a Son? > >In this day and age, when we hear someone introduced >as John Smith, Jr., we know that his father is also >John >Smith,that is he is John Smith, Sr. If we are >introduced >to the both of them, we naturally assume that they are >related. >Further we assume that they are father and son. > >In the present, such an assumption will not cause a >problem. >However, when researching your ancestry, such an >assumption may lead you down the wrong limb of the >family tree. > >Unfortunately as you get further back in research, >especially into the seventeenth and eighteenth >centuries, >you will find that an entry for a Junior or Senior >does not automatically support a familial connection. >While >there is always a chance that they are indeed related, >it is >just as possible that they are not related in any way. > >During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the >use of Junior and Senior was used to differentiate >between >two individuals of the same name and that is all. The >Senior is >usually the older of the two individuals. Junior may >also relate to the individual who came along second. > >The use or better yet misuse, of the Junior and >Senior is a perfect example of how the application of >present day >word usage can be misleading. There are other words >that >are similarly misunderstood when reading records from >these early years. > >Some of these include such words as "niece," >"nephew," and "cousin." My niece, in present day, is >the >daughter of a sibling of mine. A nephew, the son of >my sibling. >This was not always the case. In some instances the >term >niece was used to denote a female relative in general. > >According >the "A to Zax" by Barbara Jean Evans, a niece is also >an obsolete term for a granddaughter and a polite way >to >say an illegitimate daughter of a clergyman. > >The term nephew was also used to mean a grandson or >cousin. In some instances, it has also been used to >simply refer to a descendant. And the term cousin was >sometimes used when referring to a relationship by >marriage >rather than by blood. > >Are you confused yet? > >Usually these terms will be found in documents such >as wills, other probate records, perhaps in town >records. Now that you are aware of the potential >meanings as you >are working in these records, hopefully you will hold >back in >assuming relationships when you see such entries that >refer to John Smith, Jr. or "to my niece" without >having >some additional proof. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >To Subscribe: [email protected] >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >[email protected] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

I get to the wills just fine plus all the messages involved over the years. When I tried to make a reply however, I was told I needed to register. I tried to register and was told I already had a password and user name so then I requested they send me that info. They were very prompt in doing that but I've still been unable to make a reply. Maybe I'll play with it later. ********************** Don't think it has anything to do with AOL. I just tried it via my @home >Internet provider and my Juno Internet provider and when I followed the same >procedures that I sent you I was able to open the wills you uploaded with no >problem. I even did it without logging in using my ID and password I have >for Rootsweb. Mine is different for Rootsweb, Ancestry and My family. >Eventually I supposed I will get them all the same. > >Next time you try the wills, on that page you will see at the top of the >screen a small "login" click on that and follow the directiosn for obtaining >an id and password. Mine is saved via a cookie but there is an option for a >new user. > >Bob > > > >> Bob, thanks for the advice. I can get to the list of wills, but they won't >> open. I've tried to find out how to register as a member or what ever they >> call it but can't seem to get that done either. Did find a place that sent >> me an e-mail showing where I had posted something in the past and the >> boards/lists that I receive mail from, but in my advanced state of computer >> ignorance have not been able to get the darn things to open. NOTHING opens >> this morning, where as some would open last night. Is it because I'm not >> using aol? Judith B >> > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > >

I feel a thousand percent better about not being able to work these boards. My husband who know much much more about computers than I ever will spent about 3 hours this afternoon using all your hints and his know how, and they would not display for him either. He ended up saying bad words. Maybe it's our virus scan or computer or something. It keeps going back to the message board instead of opening what ever we click on. He did get me logged on with a pass word, but that doesn't help either. This certainly is interesting, and you know what the old Chinese curse is: "May you live in interesting times". JB ************************************************ > I get to the wills just fine plus all the messages involved over the years. > When I tried to make a reply however, I was told I needed to register. I > tried to register and was told I already had a password and user name so > then I requested they send me that info. They were very prompt in doing > that but I've still been unable to make a reply. Maybe I'll play with it later. > > ********************** > Don't think it has anything to do with AOL. I just tried it via my @home > >Internet provider and my Juno Internet provider and when I followed the same > >procedures that I sent you I was able to open the wills you uploaded with no > >problem. I even did it without logging in using my ID and password I have > >for Rootsweb. Mine is different for Rootsweb, Ancestry and My family. > >Eventually I supposed I will get them all the same. > > > >Next time you try the wills, on that page you will see at the top of the > >screen a small "login" click on that and follow the directiosn for obtaining > >an id and password. Mine is saved via a cookie but there is an option for a > >new user. > > > >Bob > > > > > > > >> Bob, thanks for the advice. I can get to the list of wills, but they won't > >> open. I've tried to find out how to register as a member or what ever they > >> call it but can't seem to get that done either. Did find a place that sent > >> me an e-mail showing where I had posted something in the past and the > >> boards/lists that I receive mail from, but in my advanced state of computer > >> ignorance have not been able to get the darn things to open. NOTHING opens > >> this morning, where as some would open last night. Is it because I'm not > >> using aol? Judith B > >> > > > > > > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > >We also have the [email protected] > >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Judith, Don't think it has anything to do with AOL. I just tried it via my @home Internet provider and my Juno Internet provider and when I followed the same procedures that I sent you I was able to open the wills you uploaded with no problem. I even did it without logging in using my ID and password I have for Rootsweb. Mine is different for Rootsweb, Ancestry and My family. Eventually I supposed I will get them all the same. Next time you try the wills, on that page you will see at the top of the screen a small "login" click on that and follow the directiosn for obtaining an id and password. Mine is saved via a cookie but there is an option for a new user. Bob > Bob, thanks for the advice. I can get to the list of wills, but they won't > open. I've tried to find out how to register as a member or what ever they > call it but can't seem to get that done either. Did find a place that sent > me an e-mail showing where I had posted something in the past and the > boards/lists that I receive mail from, but in my advanced state of computer > ignorance have not been able to get the darn things to open. NOTHING opens > this morning, where as some would open last night. Is it because I'm not > using aol? Judith B >

Been trying to keep up with the William Mattingly/Ann Bullock posts and I have only one William Mattingly in my file that died 1832. I have him married to a Permelia Unknown born abt 1781. Anyone have any clues as to who this Permelia may have been? I am just wondering if Permelia could have been perhaps Permelia Ann Bullock. I have just two children for them: Nancy born abt 1805 and married to Samuel Bullock (1804-1861) before 1837 Raymond born abt 1826 Samuel Bullock was s/o Thomas Bullock and Rebecca Lee. Could this be the Samuel mentioned in William's (d. 1832) will as executor? 1850 Marion Co, Permelia Mattingly age 69 is living with her daughter Nancy Mattingly Bullock and her husband Samuel. I don't have parents for the William who married Ann Bullock, would like to know that myself. I must have backed him into my file through the Bullock's/Lee's and others. I also have an Ann Bullock (1810-1894) that married Henry Buckler Peterson about 1835. This Ann was d/o Thomas Bullock and Rebecca Lee and a sister to the Samuel Bullock mentioned above. This Ann would fit as being wife of William Mattingly. If this would prove to be the case then I would presume that she and William had no children. Well at least they don't show in the 1850 Marion Co census living with Ann in the Peterson household. Digging in and trying to keep up, Betty > William Mattingly > Signed: February 24 1832 > Proved: March 26, 1832 > > I this day being in my propper mind but in a debilitated state of health in > my bodety think it propper to make my last will and testament. Be Known to > all whoon it may concern I now in the first place give to my wife Ann > Mattingly my negro woman Sharlott and the third of her increase from this > time with my mare and farming utentials and all my stock of hogs and one > cow & > two yearling calves and also all my house hold and Kitchen furniture to be > hers foreve against all other claims. I now in the second place give to my > son Thomas Mattingly two Negro girls Viz Harriet & Margaret and the other > two > thirds of Shartts increase to be his forever against each and every other > claim or claims whatsoever. And in the third and last place I leave Samuel > Bullock as my executor to my will as witness my hand and seal this 24th > febuary 1832. > > William + Mattingly (((Seal))) > > Test > Presley O. Hockency > Richd L. Buckler > > > ****************************************************************************** > > ********************** > At a County Court begun and held for Washington County at the court house > in > Springfield on the 26th day of March 1832 this last will and Testament of > William Mattingly decd. Was produced in full court and proved by Richd. L > Buckler the Subscribing witness thereto and therefore ordered to Record in > will book IE page 113 > Teste John Hughes Sr. cwc > > > ****************************************************************************** > > ********************************* > Transcribed from a photocopy of the original Washington County, Kentucky > court record by Judith A. Burger May 24, 2000. The photocopy, courtesy of > Lynne L. O'Brien, was good with occasional ink blots. I made no corrections > of spelling or punctuation. The surname of Presley O. Hockency is not > certain. > ------------- >

Judith and Bob, One left click works for me. -----Original Message----- From: Burger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] William, son of John Baptist?? >Bob, thanks for the advice. I can get to the list of wills, but they won't >open. I've tried to find out how to register as a member or what ever they >call it but can't seem to get that done either. Did find a place that sent >me an e-mail showing where I had posted something in the past and the >boards/lists that I receive mail from, but in my advanced state of computer >ignorance have not been able to get the darn things to open. NOTHING opens >this morning, where as some would open last night. Is it because I'm not >using aol? Judith B > >> Judith, >> >> This combination of left mouse clicks has worked for me everytime since >the >> new merged boards were introduced a few days ago. Are you a registered >user >> with Rootsweb & Ancestry. Not sure but that might make a difference. >Right >> after Dan Matney's post to the list trying one more time to get us all to >> switch to the Yahoo boards, he was kind enough, even in my obvious >> disagreement of his postion, to send me the list address where all the >> conversation is going on between the various Board administrators. I >> subscribed to this list and while I have seen several hundred posts, I >have >> picked up quite a few points on how the new system works at least in this >> interim period where everyone is changing things hourly. But try this >> combination using your left mouse button only (gggg) >> >> log on to Genconnect ot what ever it is called today: >> http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/usaindex.html >> select any state but I usually choose Maryland or Kentucky >> select St Mary's Co but click on wills, not queries, when message board >> screen comes up >> select Advance Search, when the next screen comes up type Mattingly in >the >> "with surname" box and select Will in the "with message type" box. Then >> click on select and every Mattingly will posted to any Rootsweb, Ancestry >or >> My Family site appears. Since most of the wills were posted to Rootsweb, >> that is the bulk of the display. The William Mattingly will who died in >1832 >> shows up under Boards/Surnames/Mattingly. Click on the will your want to >> look at and the full post is displayed. Then I cut an paste what I want. >> >> There might be an easier way during this transition period but for now I >find >> this works. Also if you are looking for the e-mail address of a poster, >it >> shows up on every query if you select "print" the message. A qlitch that >> they are fixing I hear. It is a bit frustrating right now but some of the >> new items that is coming from all this merging looks like it is going to >> benefit us all. As a user we just need to be patient. Even now there is >> talk among some of the administrators who are mad that their world has >been >> rocked of bolting and organizing a new board. But that won't happen I >don't >> think. Most are arguing over copyright which in many cases I think they >mean >> recognition. I am sure you were aware when you posted all your wills that >> they would be wasily cut and pasted into anyones documetns but your full >post >> included a blurb to take with it giving you some recognition of hte work >you >> went thru jsut translating, typing and posting that material. Seems to me >it >> is terribly naive to belive that won't happen. None of us who post family >> history matierial to web pages be it Rootsweb, Family Tree Maker of Gen >> Circles as examples cannot say we did alone, we had the help of sometimes >> hundreds of contacts to put together the family information we have. I >> acknowledge that, William has acknowledged that many times and to argue >> relentlessly as to has the copyright in the Internet world is just so much >> whining. Often we are talking about documents that several hundred years >old. >> >> I agree with Jay & your comments regarding Thomas and his being a youth >or >> an adult when his father died and I have merged the William Mattingly, Ann >> Bullock and Thomas Mattignly information but I have not assigned a father >for >> William. From all the stuff I see posted to John Baptist Mattingly who >died >> in 1817 notes, any reference to William is limited to after 1835. There >is >> nothing in the will or earlier court proceedings only in final >distribution. >> I am reposting your John Baptist Mattingly will below. I cut and pasted >it >> from the GenConnect boards this morning. Also no mention in the will of >> William, Gabriel or many of the other children mentioned in the >distributions. >> >> Bob > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Bob, thanks for the advice. I can get to the list of wills, but they won't open. I've tried to find out how to register as a member or what ever they call it but can't seem to get that done either. Did find a place that sent me an e-mail showing where I had posted something in the past and the boards/lists that I receive mail from, but in my advanced state of computer ignorance have not been able to get the darn things to open. NOTHING opens this morning, where as some would open last night. Is it because I'm not using aol? Judith B > Judith, > > This combination of left mouse clicks has worked for me everytime since the > new merged boards were introduced a few days ago. Are you a registered user > with Rootsweb & Ancestry. Not sure but that might make a difference. Right > after Dan Matney's post to the list trying one more time to get us all to > switch to the Yahoo boards, he was kind enough, even in my obvious > disagreement of his postion, to send me the list address where all the > conversation is going on between the various Board administrators. I > subscribed to this list and while I have seen several hundred posts, I have > picked up quite a few points on how the new system works at least in this > interim period where everyone is changing things hourly. But try this > combination using your left mouse button only (gggg) > > log on to Genconnect ot what ever it is called today: > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/usaindex.html > select any state but I usually choose Maryland or Kentucky > select St Mary's Co but click on wills, not queries, when message board > screen comes up > select Advance Search, when the next screen comes up type Mattingly in the > "with surname" box and select Will in the "with message type" box. Then > click on select and every Mattingly will posted to any Rootsweb, Ancestry or > My Family site appears. Since most of the wills were posted to Rootsweb, > that is the bulk of the display. The William Mattingly will who died in 1832 > shows up under Boards/Surnames/Mattingly. Click on the will your want to > look at and the full post is displayed. Then I cut an paste what I want. > > There might be an easier way during this transition period but for now I find > this works. Also if you are looking for the e-mail address of a poster, it > shows up on every query if you select "print" the message. A qlitch that > they are fixing I hear. It is a bit frustrating right now but some of the > new items that is coming from all this merging looks like it is going to > benefit us all. As a user we just need to be patient. Even now there is > talk among some of the administrators who are mad that their world has been > rocked of bolting and organizing a new board. But that won't happen I don't > think. Most are arguing over copyright which in many cases I think they mean > recognition. I am sure you were aware when you posted all your wills that > they would be wasily cut and pasted into anyones documetns but your full post > included a blurb to take with it giving you some recognition of hte work you > went thru jsut translating, typing and posting that material. Seems to me it > is terribly naive to belive that won't happen. None of us who post family > history matierial to web pages be it Rootsweb, Family Tree Maker of Gen > Circles as examples cannot say we did alone, we had the help of sometimes > hundreds of contacts to put together the family information we have. I > acknowledge that, William has acknowledged that many times and to argue > relentlessly as to has the copyright in the Internet world is just so much > whining. Often we are talking about documents that several hundred years old. > > I agree with Jay & your comments regarding Thomas and his being a youth or > an adult when his father died and I have merged the William Mattingly, Ann > Bullock and Thomas Mattignly information but I have not assigned a father for > William. From all the stuff I see posted to John Baptist Mattingly who died > in 1817 notes, any reference to William is limited to after 1835. There is > nothing in the will or earlier court proceedings only in final distribution. > I am reposting your John Baptist Mattingly will below. I cut and pasted it > from the GenConnect boards this morning. Also no mention in the will of > William, Gabriel or many of the other children mentioned in the distributions. > > Bob

Judith, This combination of left mouse clicks has worked for me everytime since the new merged boards were introduced a few days ago. Are you a registered user with Rootsweb & Ancestry. Not sure but that might make a difference. Right after Dan Matney's post to the list trying one more time to get us all to switch to the Yahoo boards, he was kind enough, even in my obvious disagreement of his postion, to send me the list address where all the conversation is going on between the various Board administrators. I subscribed to this list and while I have seen several hundred posts, I have picked up quite a few points on how the new system works at least in this interim period where everyone is changing things hourly. But try this combination using your left mouse button only (gggg) log on to Genconnect ot what ever it is called today: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/usaindex.html select any state but I usually choose Maryland or Kentucky select St Mary's Co but click on wills, not queries, when message board screen comes up select Advance Search, when the next screen comes up type Mattingly in the "with surname" box and select Will in the "with message type" box. Then click on select and every Mattingly will posted to any Rootsweb, Ancestry or My Family site appears. Since most of the wills were posted to Rootsweb, that is the bulk of the display. The William Mattingly will who died in 1832 shows up under Boards/Surnames/Mattingly. Click on the will your want to look at and the full post is displayed. Then I cut an paste what I want. There might be an easier way during this transition period but for now I find this works. Also if you are looking for the e-mail address of a poster, it shows up on every query if you select "print" the message. A qlitch that they are fixing I hear. It is a bit frustrating right now but some of the new items that is coming from all this merging looks like it is going to benefit us all. As a user we just need to be patient. Even now there is talk among some of the administrators who are mad that their world has been rocked of bolting and organizing a new board. But that won't happen I don't think. Most are arguing over copyright which in many cases I think they mean recognition. I am sure you were aware when you posted all your wills that they would be wasily cut and pasted into anyones documetns but your full post included a blurb to take with it giving you some recognition of hte work you went thru jsut translating, typing and posting that material. Seems to me it is terribly naive to belive that won't happen. None of us who post family history matierial to web pages be it Rootsweb, Family Tree Maker of Gen Circles as examples cannot say we did alone, we had the help of sometimes hundreds of contacts to put together the family information we have. I acknowledge that, William has acknowledged that many times and to argue relentlessly as to has the copyright in the Internet world is just so much whining. Often we are talking about documents that several hundred years old. I agree with Jay & your comments regarding Thomas and his being a youth or an adult when his father died and I have merged the William Mattingly, Ann Bullock and Thomas Mattignly information but I have not assigned a father for William. From all the stuff I see posted to John Baptist Mattingly who died in 1817 notes, any reference to William is limited to after 1835. There is nothing in the will or earlier court proceedings only in final distribution. I am reposting your John Baptist Mattingly will below. I cut and pasted it from the GenConnect boards this morning. Also no mention in the will of William, Gabriel or many of the other children mentioned in the distributions. Bob John Baptis Mattingly Signed: March 14, 1817 Proved: May 12, 1817 In the Name of God Amen. I John Mattingly of Washington County and State of Kentucky being sick and weak in body but of perfect mind and memory and knowing that it is once appointed for all Men to die, Do make and ordain this my last Will and Testament, that is to say first of all I command my Soul into the hands of Almighty God who gave it to my body I commend to the Earth to be buried in decent Christian burial at the discretion of my Executors, and as to such of my worldly estate with which it has been pleased God to bestow me: Item I Will and bequeath unto loving Wife Elizabeth my dwelling House and Plantation with all its appurtenances together with all my Grain Meat and Tobacco, Also all my plantation utencils, Cattle, Horses Sheep & Hogs, together with all my Household and Kitchen furniture except one (..?…) feather bed and furniture which I will and bequeath to my grandson Elijah Yager. Item I also give and bequeath unto my Wife Elizabeth my two Negroes, towit, Ede and Milly which together with what is willed to her above includes the whole of my estate, which in Toto, is to be owned used and occupied by my said Wife Elizabeth during her life, and at her death it is my Will that my Son Phillip Mattingly shall have my Negro Woman Ede at her Valuation and pay back to my estate whatever Sum that Values to more than his equal share, And also it is my Will that my Daughter Elender Ryan shall have my Negro Girl Milly at her Valuation, and pay back to my estate as aforesaid, whatever Sum She Valued to more than her said Elender's equal part,- All the rest of my estate to be sold, and the Amount thereof together with what is returned by my Son Phillip and my Daughter Elender to be divided so that all my Children receive an equal Share. I hereby constitute and appoint my Sons Phillip and Barney Mattingly and my Son-in-law James Ryan my true and lawful executors to this my last will and Testament, ratifying and confirming that they may lawfully do in the premises: Hereby revoking and disavowing? All former wills and Testaments by me made, declaring this and no other to be my last will and Testament. In Testimony where of I the said John Baptis Mattingly have hereunto set my hand and Seal this 14th day of March 1817. John Baptis X Mattingly (((Seal))) Signed Sealed delivered and Acknowledged in the presence of Sam Williams Francis Berry Elizabeth X Yager ****************************************************************************** ********************************* At a County Court held and begun for Washington County on Monday the 12th day of May 1817 This said Will and Testament of John Baptis Mattingly deceased was proven by the oaths of Samuel Williams and Francis Berry two of the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded. Attested John Hughes WaCoCl ****************************************************************************** ********************************* Transcribed from a photocopy of original court records by Judith A. Burger, May 14, 2000. Photocopy, extremely poor and the writing nearly illegible in areas. I made no corrections of any kind. The photocopy was courtesy of Lynne L. O'Brien.

". William > Mattingly died abt 1832 if this is the same one who married Ann Bullock and > the above proceeding does not mention the award going to the heirs of William > Mattingly. There was mention that Gabriel Mattingly was authorized agent for > William Mattingly but that didn't usually mean he was deceased." Bob I have to agree with you. Although William son of John Baptist/Elizabeth "Fenwick" would have only been about 10 years old when John Baptist died in 1817 and would have needed an agent, if he was dead in 1835 when some sort of settlement was achieved, I believe that he would have been designated as such. I sure would like to see a copy of those original documents though. I appreciate your posting the will again, and would like your formula for opening them one you get them on the screen. Sometimes they open, and most of the time they don't, and yes I'm trying to hold my mouth right as I click/double click/right click/left click. Sounds like a square dance, doesn't it? Jay, thanks to you I'm going to merge William/Ann Bullock and William died in 1832 (will) with wife Ann and son Thomas. While Thomas may have been a child of a previous marriage,(willed slaves) I don't believe that we can necessarily be certain of his being of age due to that. There are too many instances where even unborn children were willed slaves and real estate etc. to say that for certain. However if we assume that the Ann Bullock marriage was a 2nd/3rd marriage, maybe we can find this William in Maryland or Nelaon County much earlier, and my speculated birthdate of abt 1807 can be discarded. JB

Bob, I have a marriage date of 12 Nov 1827 for the Ann spouse. So Thomas was apparently by a previous marriage.He looks to be an adult because the slaves were willed to him. Jay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: [MATTINGLY] William, son of John Baptist?? >Judith, > >I am going to adopt your findings/beliefs on William C Mattingly. Since I no >longer believe he is William Charles Mattingly, there is no reason to have >him as a son of Jeremiah who had no son named William. The William C >Mattingly b. abt 1807 fits with well with Leonard Mattingly, Jr and Ann >Cissell since no one can find anything further on a marriage to an Unknown >Monarch. Not sure why I had his birth as abt 1790 but that is also more than >likely wrong. Besides that puts him closer to my Alvey's since Mary >Mattingly, William C's older sister married Philip Alvey, half brother to my >James Alvey. > >While I would bery much like it to be true, I'm not sure I can agree with >William Mattingly who married Ann Bullock as the son of John Baptist who >married Elizabeth "Fenwick?". The only William Mattingly listed in all the >proceddings that followed John Baptist Mattingly's death posted by Karen >Fowler was in a proceeding wehre he was given $51.20 after 9/1835. William >Mattingly died abt 1832 if this is the same one who married Ann Bullock and >the above proceeding does not mention the award going to the heirs of William >Mattingly. There was mention that Gabriel Mattingly was authorized agent for >William Mattingly but that didn't usually mean he was deceased. > >Any other thoughts?? > >I was able to get your post of the will of William Mattingly to show on >Rootsweb adn Ancestry. See below. >------------- >William Mattingly >Signed: February 24 1832 >Proved: March 26, 1832 > >I this day being in my propper mind but in a debilitated state of health in >my bodety think it propper to make my last will and testament. Be Known to >all whoon it may concern I now in the first place give to my wife Ann >Mattingly my negro woman Sharlott and the third of her increase from this >time with my mare and farming utentials and all my stock of hogs and one cow & > two yearling calves and also all my house hold and Kitchen furniture to be >hers foreve against all other claims. I now in the second place give to my >son Thomas Mattingly two Negro girls Viz Harriet & Margaret and the other two >thirds of Shartts increase to be his forever against each and every other >claim or claims whatsoever. And in the third and last place I leave Samuel >Bullock as my executor to my will as witness my hand and seal this 24th >febuary 1832. > >William + Mattingly (((Seal))) > >Test >Presley O. Hockency >Richd L. Buckler >*************************************************************************** *** > >********************** >At a County Court begun and held for Washington County at the court house in >Springfield on the 26th day of March 1832 this last will and Testament of >William Mattingly decd. Was produced in full court and proved by Richd. L >Buckler the Subscribing witness thereto and therefore ordered to Record in >will book IE page 113 >Teste John Hughes Sr. cwc >*************************************************************************** *** > >********************************* >Transcribed from a photocopy of the original Washington County, Kentucky >court record by Judith A. Burger May 24, 2000. The photocopy, courtesy of >Lynne L. O'Brien, was good with occasional ink blots. I made no corrections >of spelling or punctuation. The surname of Presley O. Hockency is not certain. >------------- > >Bob Alvey > > > >> It's too easy, but it looks like that William/Ann Bullock and William died >> 1832/Ann with son Thomas could be one and the same, and they/he could be the >> son of John Baptist/Elizabeth of Washington Co. died 1817 (Will). What a >> BEAUTIFUL merge! What do you think? JB >> > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Judith, I am going to adopt your findings/beliefs on William C Mattingly. Since I no longer believe he is William Charles Mattingly, there is no reason to have him as a son of Jeremiah who had no son named William. The William C Mattingly b. abt 1807 fits with well with Leonard Mattingly, Jr and Ann Cissell since no one can find anything further on a marriage to an Unknown Monarch. Not sure why I had his birth as abt 1790 but that is also more than likely wrong. Besides that puts him closer to my Alvey's since Mary Mattingly, William C's older sister married Philip Alvey, half brother to my James Alvey. While I would bery much like it to be true, I'm not sure I can agree with William Mattingly who married Ann Bullock as the son of John Baptist who married Elizabeth "Fenwick?". The only William Mattingly listed in all the proceddings that followed John Baptist Mattingly's death posted by Karen Fowler was in a proceeding wehre he was given $51.20 after 9/1835. William Mattingly died abt 1832 if this is the same one who married Ann Bullock and the above proceeding does not mention the award going to the heirs of William Mattingly. There was mention that Gabriel Mattingly was authorized agent for William Mattingly but that didn't usually mean he was deceased. Any other thoughts?? I was able to get your post of the will of William Mattingly to show on Rootsweb adn Ancestry. See below. ------------- William Mattingly Signed: February 24 1832 Proved: March 26, 1832 I this day being in my propper mind but in a debilitated state of health in my bodety think it propper to make my last will and testament. Be Known to all whoon it may concern I now in the first place give to my wife Ann Mattingly my negro woman Sharlott and the third of her increase from this time with my mare and farming utentials and all my stock of hogs and one cow & two yearling calves and also all my house hold and Kitchen furniture to be hers foreve against all other claims. I now in the second place give to my son Thomas Mattingly two Negro girls Viz Harriet & Margaret and the other two thirds of Shartts increase to be his forever against each and every other claim or claims whatsoever. And in the third and last place I leave Samuel Bullock as my executor to my will as witness my hand and seal this 24th febuary 1832. William + Mattingly (((Seal))) Test Presley O. Hockency Richd L. Buckler ****************************************************************************** ********************** At a County Court begun and held for Washington County at the court house in Springfield on the 26th day of March 1832 this last will and Testament of William Mattingly decd. Was produced in full court and proved by Richd. L Buckler the Subscribing witness thereto and therefore ordered to Record in will book IE page 113 Teste John Hughes Sr. cwc ****************************************************************************** ********************************* Transcribed from a photocopy of the original Washington County, Kentucky court record by Judith A. Burger May 24, 2000. The photocopy, courtesy of Lynne L. O'Brien, was good with occasional ink blots. I made no corrections of spelling or punctuation. The surname of Presley O. Hockency is not certain. ------------- Bob Alvey > It's too easy, but it looks like that William/Ann Bullock and William died > 1832/Ann with son Thomas could be one and the same, and they/he could be the > son of John Baptist/Elizabeth of Washington Co. died 1817 (Will). What a > BEAUTIFUL merge! What do you think? JB >

J. B., I share your convictions about several folks. In particular, my 5th gt grandfather, Richard Mattingly, who I believe was a son of Richard Mattingly, Sr. Everything points to this connection except concrete evidence. I know someday I'm going to find the proof and won't I be proud of myself then? Did you find your obits? I went to the website and tried to send a link but it wouldn't work. ************** Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) JB

I found the web site thanks to J, but the wills wouldn't open for me even when I right clicked on them and used the drop down box. This is another case where something wasn't broken and somebody fixed it. Oh yes, I had to type in my own name to find them. JB **************************************** > J. B., I share your convictions about several folks. In particular, my 5th > gt grandfather, Richard Mattingly, who I believe was a son of Richard > Mattingly, Sr. Everything points to this connection except concrete > evidence. I know someday I'm going to find the proof and won't I be proud > of myself then? Did you find your obits? I went to the website and tried > to send a link but it wouldn't work. > > ************** > Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The > Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached > to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or > confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base > years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have > decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and > SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying > to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) JB > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

You know you could be very right with this connection of William C. with Leonard, Jr. I've never found any evidence of this marriage to an unknown Monarch by this William nor his where-a-bouts later. Can't even recall where this marriage info came from. Anyone have any ideas on William? ********************* I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! JB

. " Anyone have any ideas on William?" It's too easy, but it looks like that William/Ann Bullock and William died 1832/Ann with son Thomas could be one and the same, and they/he could be the son of John Baptist/Elizabeth of Washington Co. died 1817 (Will). What a BEAUTIFUL merge! What do you think? JB

Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) JB > You know you could be very right with this connection of William C. with > Leonard, Jr. I've never found any evidence of this marriage to an unknown > Monarch by this William nor his where-a-bouts later. Can't even recall > where this marriage info came from. Anyone have any ideas on William? > > ********************* > I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. > Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married > Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! JB

Judith, Go to www.rootsweb.com then click on message boards. Go down type in Mattingly i believe thats where it is. -----Original Message----- From: Burger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Re: William Mattingly will >J., would you post the URL for the Mattingly wills that are on Ancestry.com. >I can't seem to find it. Thanks JB > > > >> To All, >> The will of William Mattingly has been posted on the boards at >Ancestry.com >> by Judith Burger.It say Washington Co Ky. >> Thanks > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

To All, The will of William Mattingly has been posted on the boards at Ancestry.com by Judith Burger.It say Washington Co Ky. Thanks

I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! JB > >From just glancing through the files there certainly were other Williams > around but I don't find them on the census records. I suppose it's possible > that they weren't in Kentucky yet but I haven't explored that. Likely they > were living with their parents. Not an exhaustive list but some that might > should have been around were: > > William (son of Leonard, Jr. & born abt 1800) married unknown Monarch? This > seems like a likely candidate*** > > I don't think he was one of the below --- > William (son of Ignatius & born abt 1804) married Alice Bolling/Bowling. > William (son of Richard & born abt 1788) married Nancy Cummins & may have > been in Illinois already. > William (son of John & born 1807) married Barbara Spencer in 1831. These > were my 3rd gt grandparents so this William is out. > > *********************** > > > " > Wm. Mattingly married Ann Bullock 12 Nov 1827 and died 1832. > >> He left property to wife and son Thomas.Samuel Bullock was the > >> executor and may been his father-in-law. > >> Anybody have info on William or Thomas. > >> This was in Washington Co.,Ky." > > > >J and William, it sure sounds reasonable to me that the William Mattingly > >that married Ann Bullock in 1827 Wash. Co. is the same one that died in 1832 > >Wash. Co. and left a son Thomas and wife Ann, but I can't find him on the > >Washington County 1830 census either. He should be there with at least his > >wife, if not his child/children. Thomas could have been born after 1830 and > >daughter/daughters only show up though. > > > >If he was 21 at marriage in 1827, he would have been only 14 on the 1820 > >census so in the household of his father. Who could he be? Looks like it > >calls for some digging. Judith Burger >

J., would you post the URL for the Mattingly wills that are on Ancestry.com. I can't seem to find it. Thanks JB > To All, > The will of William Mattingly has been posted on the boards at Ancestry.com > by Judith Burger.It say Washington Co Ky. > Thanks