I concur with Judith. The book is a real treasure for all us Thomas Mattingly I descendants and I recommend you try to obtain a copy. Father Herman Mattingly and Patrick Smeltzer has done us a great service. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Where is my head at? There was a George in Nelson County during the 1850 census who I haven't seen identified yet. Nearly all the family was listed strictly by initials and this must be the guy that died in Daviess County in 1859: George 57 C. 47 (must have been Catherine Miles) W. 26 Male M. 25 " (could this be James M.?) I. 20 Female L. 15 Male F. 13 " M. 11 " (someone said this was a Milton) S. 9 Female M. 8 Male Martin 6 " E. 3 Female G. 2 Male

Don't remember exactly where I found this data (my wonderful logging system) but I found where the Administrator of George's estate was John G. Gates. Beneficiaries were listed as: Jno. R. Lancaster, I. M. Queen. Jno. Moreman, James M. Mattingly, F. K. & J. M. Mattingly. and it was dated 9-6-1859 (must have been the probate date as the death records gives George's death as 7-31-1859 in Daviess County. This George might appear to have been George Austin (at first glance) at least during the census of 1850 of Daviess County. This George Austin, however, reportedly died in Indiana in 1885. The other George there during 1850 was George Washington. I can't find a James M. with either of these George's so we must be looking at one from outside Daviess County originally, who died there in 1859 and had been married to Catherine Miles. I can't place this George any better than I could place James M.! ********************* >I found this J. M. Mattingly. It states he is the son of George Mattingly >and (Catherine) Miles, also that he died of appoplexy at age 66. No >further info. > >1. J. M.2 Mattingly (George1)1 was born 1838 in Nelson County, Kentucky1, >and died January 13, 1904 in Nelson County, Kentucky1.Endnotes 1. NELSON >COUNTY DEATHS, Kentucky Vital Records, Series 3, Volume 90,Frances Terry >Ingmire, 1983, Ingmire Publ., St. Louis Missouri, p. 136. > >***************************************************

Judith, Rhonda Hansch here (But not the same Rhonda as findagrave.com). Where can I purchase a copy of HEM's book?

Rhonda, I bought mine from Patrick Smeltzer who inherited the copyright of the book when Rev. Mattingly died. It cost $20 in Oct of 2000, and is chock full of data on the Mattingly family. "Mattingly Family in Early America " by . H. E. Mattingly Ordered from: Patrick Smeltzer 33 2nd St. #100 Frazeyburg, OH 43822-9610 It came in 4 days, so if yours doesn't check on it. Judith Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Re: MATTINGLY-D Digest V01 #198 > Judith, Rhonda Hansch here (But not the same Rhonda as findagrave.com). > Where can I purchase a copy of HEM's book? > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

William, Not sure about the Morgan name.There were several in Nelson Co but birth dates dont match and i didnt put a source for this guy Joe -----Original Message----- From: William R Mattingly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] J.M. Mattingly Ky >Joe, I read the birth records the same as you. Her last name was listed as >Stewart. Now I'm wondering just who this James Morgan Mattingly was though. >Anyone have any ideas? The only one I've seen wasn't born until about 1864. > >Regarding the Stinnett's, there were several of them around; in Jessamine >County, 1850 census, I found a Lindsey Stinnett with a daughter named >Lucinda, aged 23 (there was also a 25 year old James listed and could have >been the husband of Lucinda); a Jackson Stinnett with a 12 year old >Lucretia; and a Ruben/Reuben Stinnett with a 2 year old Luticia. Could the >12 year old girl have married a J. M. Mattingly that we haven't identified >or perhaps married James Morgan and her name was listed wrong on the birth >records? > >***************** >I have this guy as James Morgan Mattingly. >Lucretia Stinnet is listed as Stewart on a microfilm of >births of Davies Co. >They had John b. 17 Oct 1856 and Elizabeth A. b.27 June 1859. > > >Acts of Marriage St. Catherine's Church, New Haven, Nelson Co. Ky >Misc. marriage records >J.M Mattingly & Lucretia Stinnet JAN 8 1856 >Who is J.M. ? Is he a John or James or another J name? >Still looking for my elusive John (grin) >Saw that this Lucretia might be called LUCY. > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I found this J. M. Mattingly. It states he is the son of George Mattingly and (Catherine) Miles, also that he died of appoplexy at age 66. No further info. 1. J. M.2 Mattingly (George1)1 was born 1838 in Nelson County, Kentucky1, and died January 13, 1904 in Nelson County, Kentucky1.Endnotes 1. NELSON COUNTY DEATHS, Kentucky Vital Records, Series 3, Volume 90,Frances Terry Ingmire, 1983, Ingmire Publ., St. Louis Missouri, p. 136. *************************************************** > Joe, I read the birth records the same as you. Her last name was listed as > Stewart. Now I'm wondering just who this James Morgan Mattingly was though. > Anyone have any ideas? The only one I've seen wasn't born until about 1864. > > Regarding the Stinnett's, there were several of them around; in Jessamine > County, 1850 census, I found a Lindsey Stinnett with a daughter named > Lucinda, aged 23 (there was also a 25 year old James listed and could have > been the husband of Lucinda); a Jackson Stinnett with a 12 year old > Lucretia; and a Ruben/Reuben Stinnett with a 2 year old Luticia. Could the > 12 year old girl have married a J. M. Mattingly that we haven't identified > or perhaps married James Morgan and her name was listed wrong on the birth > records? > > ***************** > I have this guy as James Morgan Mattingly. > Lucretia Stinnet is listed as Stewart on a microfilm of > births of Davies Co. > They had John b. 17 Oct 1856 and Elizabeth A. b.27 June 1859. > > > Acts of Marriage St. Catherine's Church, New Haven, Nelson Co. Ky > Misc. marriage records > J.M Mattingly & Lucretia Stinnet JAN 8 1856 > Who is J.M. ? Is he a John or James or another J name? > Still looking for my elusive John (grin) > Saw that this Lucretia might be called LUCY. > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Joe, I read the birth records the same as you. Her last name was listed as Stewart. Now I'm wondering just who this James Morgan Mattingly was though. Anyone have any ideas? The only one I've seen wasn't born until about 1864. Regarding the Stinnett's, there were several of them around; in Jessamine County, 1850 census, I found a Lindsey Stinnett with a daughter named Lucinda, aged 23 (there was also a 25 year old James listed and could have been the husband of Lucinda); a Jackson Stinnett with a 12 year old Lucretia; and a Ruben/Reuben Stinnett with a 2 year old Luticia. Could the 12 year old girl have married a J. M. Mattingly that we haven't identified or perhaps married James Morgan and her name was listed wrong on the birth records? ***************** I have this guy as James Morgan Mattingly. Lucretia Stinnet is listed as Stewart on a microfilm of births of Davies Co. They had John b. 17 Oct 1856 and Elizabeth A. b.27 June 1859. Acts of Marriage St. Catherine's Church, New Haven, Nelson Co. Ky Misc. marriage records J.M Mattingly & Lucretia Stinnet JAN 8 1856 Who is J.M. ? Is he a John or James or another J name? Still looking for my elusive John (grin) Saw that this Lucretia might be called LUCY.

I have this guy as James Morgan Mattingly. Lucretia Stinnet is listed as Stewart on a microfilm of births of Davies Co. They had John b. 17 Oct 1856 and Elizabeth A. b.27 June 1859. -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Donna Amos <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: [MATTINGLY] J.M. Mattingly Ky >Acts of Marriage St. Catherine's Church, New Haven, Nelson Co. Ky > Misc. marriage records >J.M Mattingly & Lucretia Stinnet JAN 8 1856 >Who is J.M. ? Is he a John or James or another J name? > Still looking for my elusive John (grin) > Saw that this Lucretia might be called LUCY. > >Donna [email protected] > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

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Judith, I'd buy that theory. One note - Clement's will was written in December of 1778 and in it he wills these tracts of land to his children. So he must have come in possession of them before then. If there was a land transfer then it must have occurred between the time that Edward's will was probated and the time that Clement's was written. Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

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Paul, HEM on p.27, "Mattingly Family In Early America, "states that possibly John Baptist Mattingly 1713-1793 had a son John Baptist. It is my theory that he did, John Baptist Mattingly died 1817, Washington County, KY with will on record. The most likely senerio in my mind is that after Edward's death in 1778, John Baptist 1713-1793, sold the land to his brother Clement since his (JB"s) son John Baptist d. 1817 was in Kentucky and would not have use of it. I've not found a land transfer in the Chancery Records to prove my theory, so it remains a theory. Edward died in 1778 and Clement's will was probated June 20,1780, so there was plenty of time for the property to be transferred. With my theory in mind, the John Baptist listed on probate records, COULD have been John Baptist d. 1817 KY,(they traveled back and forth) instead of his alledged father John Baptist d. abt 1793. What do you think? Judith Burger *********************************** "The other interesting thing about Edward's will is that he leaves JB the tracts of land "Mattingly's Lane" and "Great St. Thomas" in his will of February 1778 but yet Edward's brother, Clement, leaves these tracts of land to his children in his will of December 1778. So, clearly JB comes to claim the property but apparently does not keep the property and must have in turn given or sold the property to his brother, Clement. Again, making me think that this JB did not live in or near SMC. It is unlikely that JB would have died because his son would have inherited the tracts as per Edward's will. Unless, of course, JB died, his son inherited the property and then in turn sold it to his Uncle Clement. Seems too much to go on in 10 months. Any thoughts? Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA"

I have a few comments and a few questions. I have seen mention somewhere that Edward Mattingly (son of Thomas III) mentions a Thomas Mattingly in his will and there seems to be some speculation regarding who this Thomas may be. Edward had 2 nephews named Thomas. One was the son of his brother Clement and the other was Thomas V, son of his brother Thomas IV. Clements son, Thomas, died before 1778 and therefore is not likely to be the Thomas named in Edward's will. However, Thomas V, died in 1779 and is likely to be the Thomas that is named in Edward's will. In fact, in Thomas V's will he mentions "...all the estate given me from my grandfather Mattingly, and my uncle Edward Mattingly's estate..." The other interesting thing about Edward's will is that he mentions "I give to my brother Jn Bapt. Mattingly my water mill..........during his natural life and after his decease, the said mill and land to go to his son and his heirs forever." The tracts of land that he mentions are "Mattingly's Lane" and "Great St. Thomas". Now there are 2 interesting facts here. The first is that he mentions John Baptist's son (so clearly this John Baptist did have children - HEM lists this JB as having "no issues") but he doesn't actually name him. This is strange because he clearly names nearly ever niece and nephew that he had and identified them as being ".... children of my brother Clement", etc... Why would he have not named JB's son? I seem to think that perhaps there was some estrangement or that this JB did not live in or near SMC and perhaps Edward did not actually know his name. This JB does present the will to the courts after Edward's death so he is clearly alive. I'm wondering if this isn't the JB that was in VA. Thoughts? The other interesting thing about Edward's will is that he leaves JB the tracts of land "Mattingly's Lane" and "Great St. Thomas" in his will of February 1778 but yet Edward's brother, Clement, leaves these tracts of land to his children in his will of December 1778. So, clearly JB comes to claim the property but apparently does not keep the property and must have in turn given or sold the property to his brother, Clement. Again, making me think that this JB did not live in or near SMC. It is unlikely that JB would have died because his son would have inherited the tracts as per Edward's will. Unless, of course, JB died, his son inherited the property and then in turn sold it to his Uncle Clement. Seems too much to go on in 10 months. Any thoughts? Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

Does anyone have data on Leonard III's (Leonard Jr, Leonard Sr, Ignatius, Thomas II) wife? I note William R has it Sarah A. Mattingly. Leonard III was my Mattingly grandmother's grandfather (my G-G-Grandfather). I spent many evenings talking to her about her family, and taking notes. She thought that her grandmother's maiden name was Cusick (she was unsure of spelling). But after we talked more, she admitted to being uncertain , and said "either he did or one of those older Mattingly boys did." I asked my grandmother's sister, Bessie Mattingly, what she knew. She was uncertain at first, but when I mentioned my g-mother thought it might be a Cusick, she said "yes, I believe she was". I'm unable to find any other evidence of this. any ideas? jim sills James G. Sills, M.D. HC 60 Box 3B Harned, KY 40144 [email protected] 270-756-2297

Norma and Carol, I have been on vacation and am having difficulties getting back into the swing of genealogy but I have a question. Have either of you made any speculations on how Walter Mattingly is connected to the rest of the Mattingly clan? Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

Whoever, I have John Townley Mattinglys 7th son, Bartin Mattingly (may be Barton), born 1804 married to Elizabeth Cambron. He may have married again, I don't know. Tim [email protected]

Barton was born about 1804, based on census records and while I've seen nothing which would suggest the Barton that married Rachel Roberts was the son of John Townley, I can't find another man by the name that it could have been. The age of this Barton, in 1858 would have been about 57 so the age is only off a few years and I'm not certain 1804 was his correct year of birth. Anyone else seen anything new? ****************** Does anyone have a record of a second marriage of Barton Mattingly, 7th children of John Townley Mattingly? Here's what I've found in Mason County, Kentucky Marriages, 1852-53-55-56-57-58 1859-1904 & 1907, wondering if this is the same Barton: Barton MATTINGLEY, Residence Mason Co., age 51, widower, (2) marriages, b. Mason Co. Rachel ROBERTS, resident Lewis COunty, age 39, widow, (2) marriages, b. Lewis County, Remarks - Rev. Nathan Tower.

Does anyone have a record of a second marriage of Barton Mattingly, 7th children of John Townley Mattingly? Here's what I've found in Mason County, Kentucky Marriages, 1852-53-55-56-57-58 1859-1904 & 1907, wondering if this is the same Barton: Barton MATTINGLEY, Residence Mason Co., age 51, widower, (2) marriages, b. Mason Co. Rachel ROBERTS, resident Lewis COunty, age 39, widow, (2) marriages, b. Lewis County, Remarks - Rev. Nathan Tower.

I haven't seen all the John's .Most that I've seen ,because the age was way off , I disregarded .BUT I believe a year could just be the time of the birth month or they were almost a certain age so they gave that age to the census taker. That would make Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Spencer who had a with son, John, born 1831, a good candidate to check into. I have personal knowledge of a birthdate that shows up one year older on the census in one of my other lines. I'll see what I can find out about Leonard and son. Thanks both of you. Donna [email protected]