I don't mean to rub salt into old wounds, but I have noticed a few little tidbits about the William Mattingly that died in 1817. 1. In his will he states: "Item my two children from my wife Nancy Mattingly I leave them five shillings each of them." This seems to indicate that he had ONLY two children from his wife Nancy. Now we know that he had a passel of children from his wife Elizabeth Clark, who some call Nancy Elizabeth, though the marriage record from CD #229, the only source I have on this marriage to date, states Elizabeth Clark only. So he does not sound like he is talking about Nancy Elizabeth. 2. His will is witnessed by James Vessels, and Benjamin Vessels is brother of one James Vessels and the son of another James Vessels, and the father of Bridget Anna Vessels who married the mysterious William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814. 3. Green County, Kentucky is right next door to Washington County in 1817, before Marion County was formed, and a William Mattingly married Nancy Murry in Green County, KY April 1, 1813. (Spelled: Murry, not Murray) Putting all this together, do you think that William Mattingly who died in 1817, married for the third time to Nancy Murry in Green County had two children he wasn't especially proud of, because they had mixed ancestry of Indian blood, one of which was William Mattingly who married Bridget Anna Vessels in 1837. The family tradition is that the mother of William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814 was full blooded Indian. Could the spelling of the name Murry indicate Indian ancestry? Tell me what you think. Judith Burger

Thanks to all for this information on William C. Mattingly (1807-1876). Ralph Banks

William, you are a most insightful, perceptive and brilliant researcher. I totally agree with your new posting of William C. Mattingly as the son of Leonard Mattingly. Jr and his wife Ann Cissell. (Signed by a completely impartial bystander, JB) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: [MATTINGLY] FamilyTreeMaker.com Personal Home Page > I've updated my Home Page to include several new persons in the Thomas Mattingly, II report. I have also decided, based on circumstantial evidence at present, to include William C. Mattingly, born 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell. If anyone can disprove this connection, I'll be one of the first to change my opinion. Please take a look! > Here is the address: > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/t/William-R-Mattingly/ > > FamilyTreeMaker.com > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I've updated my Home Page to include several new persons in the Thomas Mattingly, II report. I have also decided, based on circumstantial evidence at present, to include William C. Mattingly, born 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell. If anyone can disprove this connection, I'll be one of the first to change my opinion. Please take a look! Here is the address: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/t/William-R-Mattingly/ FamilyTreeMaker.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com

I've updated my Home Page to include several new persons in the Thomas Mattingly, II report. I have also decided, based on circumstantial evidence at present, to include William C. Mattingly, born 1807, as a son of Leonard Mattingly and Nancy Cissell. If anyone can disprove this connection, I'll be one of the first to change my opinion. Please take a look! Here is the address: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/t/William-R-Mattingly/ FamilyTreeMaker.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com

I gave up on the Unknown Monarch idea also and agree with Judith that, while there is no proof at present, having William C. as a son of Leonard seems like a very real possibility. I'm still carrying a separate file for William and just hoping something will crop up someday. The message below (7-12-2001) was one of mine when I was responding to someone; can't recall just who. ************ >I gave in and deleted that reference to an Unknown Monarch based upon the >insistence of Judith Burger and a note from Judith that the Monarch reference >Ruth Mattingly found might be a bit shaky. I think William R went along with >this thinking too, maybe he can chime in if that is in error. Judith wants >this guy for her William C Mattingly and frankly I think it has some merit >until we find something with more merit. See the notes below. (honestly >though, Judith raised some good points about William C Mattingly and she >might recall more herself.) > >All of this exchange is in the archives somewhere. > >Bob Alvey > >Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The >Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached >to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or >confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base >years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have >decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and >SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying >to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) Judith Burger >---- >I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. >Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married >Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! Judith Burger >----------------------- > William Mattingly Date: July 12, 2001 >So far none of the folks looking at William C. has been able to connect him >with a family line and there are a good many who have searched. The most >plausable theory presented, at this time that I know of, is that he was a son >of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Nancy A. Cissell and grandson of Leonard and >Mary Hayden. Obviously, we have found no proof but we do know that Leonard >and Nancy had a son by this name and that this son doesn't appear anywhere >else in the world (at least not so as we can find him). Naturally this is >mere speculation at this point but the best I've seen proposed thus far. >Naturally, we come to the question of "Why did he leave the area his parents >were in?" I think the answer is actually rather simple: All of our families >were moving around a lot and leaving home was commonplace and the 2nd answer >is land. William must have come into a sizable piece of property from his >wifes side as his land was referred to as Girten's land or place, I believe. >Someone correct me if I have the name wrong but I recall it was referred to >as Girten's something. Not sure if this is Judith or William R that wrote >this or maybe neither!!!! Bob Alvey >----------------------- > > > > > >> Bob--- >> I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly Jr. >> and >> Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. But, this is all I have about >> this person; any possible connections to the William at hand? >> Ralph Banks, Austin, TX >> > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > >

Just one note on this thread: The source of the Wm. C. Mattingly m. Miss Monarch, dau. of Joe Monarch, was Family Geneaology of Leonard Mattingly by CC Mattingly. Father Lyons' papers refer to this as "The Mattingly Manuscript." Both are found in the Filson Club. CC Mattingly was a Louisville attorney circa 1900, who descended from Old Leonard's son John. Like Judith, regarding this alleged marriage, I think CC (Columbus, I think) was mistaken. -- Ruth M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly died 1832 > > > Ralph, Bob and List, one reference to the Girten lands can be > found in the > Will of William C. Mattingly 1876, Union County, Ky. ".....& authorize him > to sell my land & the coal privilege which I have under the > Girtin land & to > convey the title to the purchaser- Out of the notes now due me I want my > debts paid which are few." > William Mattingly did not begin to use the "C" in his name until the 1870 > Union County Census, as far as I can tell. There has been rampant > speculation as to what it refers to, and I prefer "Cissell" since that was > his alleged mother's maiden name. > > He appears in Union County records directly after his marriage to Terecy > Girten in 1827 (across the river in Gallatin County, Illinois) and can be > found living next door to James Girten with his wife in the 1830 > Census and > seems to remain in Union County until his death in 1876. The 1880 Census > shows Terecy, 67, his wife with Tho. J. son 25, in the household > with her. > > William C. Mattingly has been the main focus of my Mattingly research for > the last 500 years or so, OOps! I meant 5 years. The frustration of not > finding any official records proving his paternity just makes it seem like > 500. :) I'm investigating the possibility of mandatory DNA > testing of all > Mattingly descendants in order to solve this mystery. Judith A. Burger > > > > > Ralph, > > > > I gave in and deleted that reference to an Unknown Monarch > based upon the > > insistence of Judith Burger and a note from Judith that the Monarch > reference > > Ruth Mattingly found might be a bit shaky. I think William R went along > with > > this thinking too, maybe he can chime in if that is in error. Judith > wants > > this guy for her William C Mattingly and frankly I think it has > some merit > > until we find something with more merit. See the notes below. > (honestly > > though, Judith raised some good points about William C Mattingly and she > > might recall more herself.) > > > > All of this exchange is in the archives somewhere. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The > > Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source > attached > > to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or > > confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would > base > > years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have > > decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann > Cissell and > > SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still > trying > > to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) Judith Burger > > ---- > > I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) > as William > C. > > Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. > He married > > Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! Judith Burger > > ----------------------- > > William Mattingly Date: July 12, 2001 > > So far none of the folks looking at William C. has been able to connect > him > > with a family line and there are a good many who have searched. The most > > plausable theory presented, at this time that I know of, is > that he was a > son > > of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Nancy A. Cissell and grandson of > Leonard and > > Mary Hayden. Obviously, we have found no proof but we do know > that Leonard > > and Nancy had a son by this name and that this son doesn't > appear anywhere > > else in the world (at least not so as we can find him). > Naturally this is > > mere speculation at this point but the best I've seen proposed thus far. > > Naturally, we come to the question of "Why did he leave the area his > parents > > were in?" I think the answer is actually rather simple: All of our > families > > were moving around a lot and leaving home was commonplace and the 2nd > answer > > is land. William must have come into a sizable piece of > property from his > > wifes side as his land was referred to as Girten's land or place, I > believe. > > Someone correct me if I have the name wrong but I recall it was referred > to > > as Girten's something. Not sure if this is Judith or William R > that wrote > > this or maybe neither!!!! Bob Alvey > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob--- > > > I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly > Jr. > > > and > > > Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. 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Ralph, Bob and List, one reference to the Girten lands can be found in the Will of William C. Mattingly 1876, Union County, Ky. ".....& authorize him to sell my land & the coal privilege which I have under the Girtin land & to convey the title to the purchaser- Out of the notes now due me I want my debts paid which are few." William Mattingly did not begin to use the "C" in his name until the 1870 Union County Census, as far as I can tell. There has been rampant speculation as to what it refers to, and I prefer "Cissell" since that was his alleged mother's maiden name. He appears in Union County records directly after his marriage to Terecy Girten in 1827 (across the river in Gallatin County, Illinois) and can be found living next door to James Girten with his wife in the 1830 Census and seems to remain in Union County until his death in 1876. The 1880 Census shows Terecy, 67, his wife with Tho. J. son 25, in the household with her. William C. Mattingly has been the main focus of my Mattingly research for the last 500 years or so, OOps! I meant 5 years. The frustration of not finding any official records proving his paternity just makes it seem like 500. :) I'm investigating the possibility of mandatory DNA testing of all Mattingly descendants in order to solve this mystery. Judith A. Burger > Ralph, > > I gave in and deleted that reference to an Unknown Monarch based upon the > insistence of Judith Burger and a note from Judith that the Monarch reference > Ruth Mattingly found might be a bit shaky. I think William R went along with > this thinking too, maybe he can chime in if that is in error. Judith wants > this guy for her William C Mattingly and frankly I think it has some merit > until we find something with more merit. See the notes below. (honestly > though, Judith raised some good points about William C Mattingly and she > might recall more herself.) > > All of this exchange is in the archives somewhere. > > Bob Alvey > > Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The > Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached > to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or > confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base > years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have > decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and > SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying > to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) Judith Burger > ---- > I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. > Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married > Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! Judith Burger > ----------------------- > William Mattingly Date: July 12, 2001 > So far none of the folks looking at William C. has been able to connect him > with a family line and there are a good many who have searched. The most > plausable theory presented, at this time that I know of, is that he was a son > of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Nancy A. Cissell and grandson of Leonard and > Mary Hayden. Obviously, we have found no proof but we do know that Leonard > and Nancy had a son by this name and that this son doesn't appear anywhere > else in the world (at least not so as we can find him). Naturally this is > mere speculation at this point but the best I've seen proposed thus far. > Naturally, we come to the question of "Why did he leave the area his parents > were in?" I think the answer is actually rather simple: All of our families > were moving around a lot and leaving home was commonplace and the 2nd answer > is land. William must have come into a sizable piece of property from his > wifes side as his land was referred to as Girten's land or place, I believe. > Someone correct me if I have the name wrong but I recall it was referred to > as Girten's something. Not sure if this is Judith or William R that wrote > this or maybe neither!!!! Bob Alvey > ----------------------- > > > > > > > Bob--- > > I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly Jr. > > and > > Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. But, this is all I have about > > this person; any possible connections to the William at hand? > > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Ralph, I gave in and deleted that reference to an Unknown Monarch based upon the insistence of Judith Burger and a note from Judith that the Monarch reference Ruth Mattingly found might be a bit shaky. I think William R went along with this thinking too, maybe he can chime in if that is in error. Judith wants this guy for her William C Mattingly and frankly I think it has some merit until we find something with more merit. See the notes below. (honestly though, Judith raised some good points about William C Mattingly and she might recall more herself.) All of this exchange is in the archives somewhere. Bob Alvey Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source attached to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would base years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann Cissell and SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still trying to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) Judith Burger ---- I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) as William C. Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. He married Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! Judith Burger ----------------------- William Mattingly Date: July 12, 2001 So far none of the folks looking at William C. has been able to connect him with a family line and there are a good many who have searched. The most plausable theory presented, at this time that I know of, is that he was a son of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Nancy A. Cissell and grandson of Leonard and Mary Hayden. Obviously, we have found no proof but we do know that Leonard and Nancy had a son by this name and that this son doesn't appear anywhere else in the world (at least not so as we can find him). Naturally this is mere speculation at this point but the best I've seen proposed thus far. Naturally, we come to the question of "Why did he leave the area his parents were in?" I think the answer is actually rather simple: All of our families were moving around a lot and leaving home was commonplace and the 2nd answer is land. William must have come into a sizable piece of property from his wifes side as his land was referred to as Girten's land or place, I believe. Someone correct me if I have the name wrong but I recall it was referred to as Girten's something. Not sure if this is Judith or William R that wrote this or maybe neither!!!! Bob Alvey ----------------------- > Bob--- > I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly Jr. > and > Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. But, this is all I have about > this person; any possible connections to the William at hand? > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX >

Bob--- I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly Jr. and Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. But, this is all I have about this person; any possible connections to the William at hand? Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Excellent job, Tom!

This may or may not have any bearing but I did notice that there was a Henry Mattingly (as per HEM) who owned a piece of property in Frederick Co (that part that later became Carroll County) called "Pretty Prospect" in 1787 And then in 1795 there is a Henry Mattingly (reportedly received land for his service in the Revolution) who "discovered some vacant land; petitions resurvey and wants to combine tracts and vacant land into one to be called "Pretty Prospect"." This seems to indicate a migration up from SMC to northwest MD and then into western MD. Being in Frederick Co in the 1780's might indicate some connection to the John Mattingly that died there in 1773. Paul Mattingly Atlanta, GA

This is bit off the track for the info on Henry and Sophia but I was wondering about the John Mattingly that you mention below. HEM identified a John Mattingly, Sr that died in Frederick Co in 1773. John, Jr and Amos Mattingly were his executors. I have not a clue as to who this John could have been but he must have been born c. 1720-30 to have had a son old enough to be an executor. I had not thought of the possibility that this John, Jr could have been John Townly, but who knows. William wrote: There are additional documents pertaining to this Henry Mattingly being transcribed at this time and will be posted when completed. As for the Henry of St. Mary's County? He reportely was a son of John. Which John that may have been is currently a mystery. The only one I've familiar with at this time was in Allegany County and I don't believe it was him. Something in the back of my mind says "Could this have been John Townly?" I don't know! ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> We also have the [email protected] Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> We also have the [email protected] Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Following additional work on the part of Judith A. Burger, William R. Mattingly, Dennis Jack Hubscher, Sr. and myself, I have posted onto the Mattingly Rootsweb (Ancestry) board a prenuptial/marriage contract between Henry Mattingly (of Zachariah) and Eliza E. Goodrick, dated September 13, 1850. -----Original Message----- From: William R Mattingly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 9:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MATTINGLY] Deed of Conveyance Henry & Sophia Mattingly Following a lot of work on the part of Judith Burger and Tom Hubscher and a wee bit by myself, I have had the pleasure of posting onto the Mattingly Rootsweb board a Deed of Conveyance of Tulip Hill, dated March 17, 1846 between Henry Mattingly (of Zachariah) and Elizabeth Sophia, his wife, and Jeremiah Herbert. What interests me about this particular deed is that it clearly identifies the Henry Mattingly found in Charles County, Maryland during the 1850 census as the son of Zachariah (that is, Zachariah Mattingly, Jr., born 1790). For me, this constitutes a change in my files. I had previously carried the Henry Mattingly, found in St. Mary's County during the 1850 census as the son of Zachariah, Jr. The Henry of Charles County was first married to Elizabeth Sophia Dent with whom he had three children: Zora Sophia, Benjamin Henry, and Ann Celestia. Henry's first wife died before 1850 and during the census he was married to Eliza E. Goodrick. Thomas Hubscher is a direct descendant of Henry Mattingly and Elizabeth Sophia Dent. I must admit that I doubted Tom when he first revealed this information to me but after his father, Dennis Hubscher, found the original documents and Tom sent copies to me I quickly realized the error and contacted one person who I felt was exceptionally good at transcribing such records. That was Judith Burger of course. There are additional documents pertaining to this Henry Mattingly being transcribed at this time and will be posted when completed. As for the Henry of St. Mary's County? He reportely was a son of John. Which John that may have been is currently a mystery. The only one I've familiar with at this time was in Allegany County and I don't believe it was him. Something in the back of my mind says "Could this have been John Townly?" I don't know! ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> We also have the [email protected] Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Thanks Bob, I read the will.Believe he was discussed a while back.Need to take a break from this and give my brain a rest.Ha! Went to Washington Co but not much to look at. Joe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly died 1832 >In a message dated 8/7/01 7:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: >Joe, > >Wish I knew, but I still have his parents as Unknown. Judith Bruger posted >his will on this forum some time ago, It should be in the archives or I can >cut and paste from my notes if that will help but it won't tell you who he >belongs to unfortunately. > >Bob Alvey > >Descendants of William Mattingly > >1 William Mattingly b: Abt. 1800 d: Bef. March 26, 1832 in Washington Co, >KY >.+Ann Bullock b: Abt. 1810 m: November 12, 1827 in Washington Co, KY > d: Abt. 1894 Father: Thomas Bullock, Sr Mother: Rebecca Lee >..2 Thomas Mattingly b: Abt. 1830 > > >> >> >> Who is this William who died 1832 Washington Co? Had wife Ann and >> son Thomas.Sure he has been discussed but i cant find anything. >> Joe Mattingly >> >> > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

In a message dated 8/7/01 7:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Joe, Wish I knew, but I still have his parents as Unknown. Judith Bruger posted his will on this forum some time ago, It should be in the archives or I can cut and paste from my notes if that will help but it won't tell you who he belongs to unfortunately. Bob Alvey Descendants of William Mattingly 1 William Mattingly b: Abt. 1800 d: Bef. March 26, 1832 in Washington Co, KY .+Ann Bullock b: Abt. 1810 m: November 12, 1827 in Washington Co, KY d: Abt. 1894 Father: Thomas Bullock, Sr Mother: Rebecca Lee ..2 Thomas Mattingly b: Abt. 1830 > > > Who is this William who died 1832 Washington Co? Had wife Ann and > son Thomas.Sure he has been discussed but i cant find anything. > Joe Mattingly > >

Who is this William who died 1832 Washington Co? Had wife Ann and son Thomas.Sure he has been discussed but i cant find anything. Joe Mattingly

I was wondering, does anyone have any books on cemeteries for Mason County, Kentucky? Specifically, I'm lookng for one titled Cemetries Volume 2 Mason County. I made copies of a couple of pages that applied to my Mattingly line, but I neglected to get the page that shows the cemetery they are buried in. I would acutally love to purchase a copy of both volumes 1 & 2 (and more if there are any). Thanks, Rhonda Hansch

Bob, thanks for taking a more detailed look at George Clark. I never take offense at any of this stuff as my only interest is in being as correct as possible. We know what happens when folks take comments too seriously or assume every contrary opinion is a personal attack. I was just looking at it again myself. Originally I had compared the initials in the name indexed as J. C. to the "G" in George, son of Robert. This time I also looked at the way the "I" in Robert's son, Ignatius is formed and have to admit, this could easily be an "I". I don't think it could have been a "J" as the written clearly drops the tail of this letter below the line. Under this interpretation I would assume his first name was Ignatius (?) (his grandfather was an Ignatius). The middle initial is most certainly a "C" but I have no idea what it might have stood for. I'm thinking this I. C. is either the person I have as George, Jr. and brother to Robert or it his brother Joseph (whom I've never found) but as to the latter, I just can not imagine this first initial is a "J". As to Richard, I have some mixed feelings about where he belongs. The William Mudd whom Richard Mattingly, aged 20, was residing with was in Hart County, Ky. I managed to leave that little clue out so will have to include it in the notes. I couldn't remember either and had to go searching. I'm going to give more study to what you wrote but am hoping to get this one, at least, straight at some point. It dawns on me to that there is a lot of misinformation regarding George Mattingly and Elizabeth Wimsatt on the LDS site, posted by someone I never bothered to identify. For example, some of George and Elizabeth's children are listed as children of John Francis Mattingly and Catherine Rebecca Cravens.

William, I saw your new note to the file of George Clark Mattingly and am trying to resolve issues I have with your statments and the information in the Holy Name of Mary baptismal records and in Father Lyons "Calvary Genealogy" files in the Filson Club which includes a full page of notes on George Clark Mattingly and his wife Elizabeth Mudd, dau of James Andrew Mudd and Eleanor Green. I found the listing you are talking about on pg.388 District 2 of the 1850 Nelson Co, KY census. But the person (Lowena Lawson for Heritage books) interpreted J C to be I, a taylor age 46 b. MD with Mary E, Austin, Benj, Eliza J and John R just as you show. Looks like next door to this JC/ I Mattingly is a Robert Mattingly also a taylor age 44 b. MD and his family. My first thinking is these two are probably closely related since there are so few Mattingly's in Nelson Co. in 1850. I identify this Robert Mattingly to be the son of George Mattingly and Elizabeth Wimsatt and he first married Lucinda Abell and had 4 children, Mary, William, Susan and Joseph. She probably died and he married Elizabeth Horrell and I show three more children, George, Ignatius and Annie. If the census records do show a G C Mattingly as you believe from your closer look, then I cannot help by believe this is his brother George Mattingly who married Mary Shannon or another brother who we don't know about. I'm not too secure with any information I have on this family, much coming from you and Judith Burger do I don't have my own indeendent view (Don't take that to mean I don't consider you or Judith as secure sources!!!! (ggg) Both of you are the best. But two Mattingly living next door to each other one 44 the other 46, both b in MD after 1800 and both taylors make me think in that direction albeit, it is mostly circumstantial than factual. Coupled my comments above and the fact that George Clark Mattingly and Elizabeth Mudd are listed as the parents of George Columbus in 1839 and Elizabeth in 1841 in the Holy Name of Mary baptismal records and again as the parents of Amanda Catherine in the St Charles, St Mary's. KY baptismal records in 1843. This doesn't fit with the children listed in the 1850 Nelson Co, KY census for G C Mattingly and Mary E. Doesn't fit either with the possiblity that Elizabeth Mudd died before 1841 and G C Mattingly married a Mary E Unknown (see your note below) The George Clark Mattingly family seems to be one more in Marion Co, KY than Nelson Co. His daughters joined the Lorretto Nuns which were in Marion Co and the last child we know of was baptised at St Charles, a Marion Co parish. If all the children found in the 1850 census were actually children of George Clark and Elizabeth Mudd and spread across at least two ocunties, maybe George Clark and Elizabeth Mudd both died by 1850? I have noting on them after the baptism of Amanda Catherine in 1843 in Marion Co, KY and the listing in Father Lyons "Calvary Genealogy" that James T Mattingly was the son of George Mattingly and Elizabeth Mudd b. abt 1845 adn died in Louisville in 1923. The listing of his obit in the paper in 1923 of his children lead us to his being the same James Thomas Mattingly that married Mary Ann Edelen in Grayson Co in 1872. (says one son moved to Seattle, WA, two sons were "Brothers" in the CAtholic church and two dau. were "Sisters" in the Catholic church. Agrees with my records. Wish I knew how to do this in 10 words or less!!!!! Thanks Bob Listing from your updated Mattingly chart at FTM extracted this morning. "Marriage bond dated January 28, 1828, Washington County, Kentucky. Surety, Edward Mattingly. C. Moore names four children which other researchers have not reported. I have included them here pending clarification (Abe, Benjamin, John R., and Amanda C.). To date, I have not found George or family on any of the census records of 1850 or 1880 - William R Mattingly Findings as of 12-27-00: The 1850 census Index of Nelson County, Ky. shows a J. C. Mattingly. Closer inspection reveals this is G. C. or possibly, George Clark Mattingly, age 46 and married to Mary E., age 47. In the household were Austin 13; Benjamin 11; Eliza J. 9; and John R. 8. Also in the home were Caroline 9 and Mary J. Nicholson age 3; and Thomas McCau(?) my copy shows this as Thomas McCandless age 25) age 21. It is believed that Elizabeth Mudd had died about 1840 and that George then married Mary. (this is hard to support as far as I can see from other evidence, more likely that George and Elizabeth died before 1850 if children were all over the place) Most of his children have been located on the census as follows: Richard was residing in the home of William Mudd;(cannot find him) Edward had died before 1850; Eliza E. was likely already married to a Smith (I'm not going to look for a Smith even in 1850); Mary Ann (Sister Mary Charles, she actually died at the Bethlehem Academy in Hardin Co, KY)) and Rebecca (Sister M Benedict) were residing at the Society of Loretto (Rebecca actually became a Nun) (both actually became nuns and in 1850 were not residing at the Society of Loretto which was in Marion Co, but in Hardin Co probably at one of the Loretto run schools like Bethlehem Academy since most of the individuals listed at the residence were children from all over the country, the census did not list the actual name of the school but since Sister Mary Charles died there, that is where she probably taught for many years).; George was living with the Marriott family (he was also in Hardin Co). Those which could not be found are: Isabelle; James Thomas; Abe (likely this is Austin); Lucy; and Amanda. All children are currently carried under his first wife pending further clarification. - William R Mattingly"