Thanks, Puts me in with Bonnie and Paul.Guess were are all cousins if we go back enough. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Burger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 >Joe, I have Eleanor Mattingly as the wife of James Vessels, Jr. the son of >the James we are talking about that witnessed the will of William Mattingly >d 1817. I have her as the daughter of Joseph F. Mattingly (of the Cezar >Line) and his wife Hessina Hinton of Washington County. I think that all >these Mattinglys are kin in one way or another, don't you? JB >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:03 PM >Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > > >> Ralph,Judith >> I have James Vessells,jr married Eleanor Mattingly.She is in my >> line but dont know where she fits.Could be the connection between >> the two families. >> Joe Mattingly >> Nelson Co,Ky >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:45 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 >> >> >> >Yes Judith, I am indeed interested in this line, for this William >> (1741-1817) >> >apparently was a brother of my my g4grandfather Leonard Mattingly >> (1739-1829). >> >Please keep the information coming. >> >Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX >> > >> > >> >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== >> ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >> >We also have the [email protected] >> >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >> >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >> >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >> >>mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscri b >> e >> >>mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscri b >> e >> > >> >============================== >> >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> > >> >> >> ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== >> <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >> We also have the [email protected] >> Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >> Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >> To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >> >> ============================== >> Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >> Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >> >> > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

You're likely correct. I was looking too and another could have been the son of John Baptist (I shudder to say, died 1817), and also born about 1777 and married to Jane Peterson on 7-1-1801 in Washington County. This guy appears to have had a bunch of kids and none accounted for in my files (is he the one with 6 males under 10 and 5 between the ages of 10 and 16; and 4 daughters under 10 and one between 16 and 26?) ******************* Maybe one of them is William Mattingly b 1777, m. Henrietta Buckman in 1811, Nelson Co. at the age of 34. IN 1820 he would have been 43 yrs old with one son by Henrietta, Cyprian P. born Sept 16, 1812, Washington Co. I always thought he should have been married before this late marriage, but do not have any documentation of such. JB

Maybe one of them is William Mattingly b 1777, m. Henrietta Buckman in 1811, Nelson Co. at the age of 34. IN 1820 he would have been 43 yrs old with one son by Henrietta, Cyprian P. born Sept 16, 1812, Washington Co. I always thought he should have been married before this late marriage, but do not have any documentation of such. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > Looking at the 1820 census for Washington County; there are two William > Mattingly's, both aged 26 but under 45. One of these appears to be William, > Jr., son of William, died 1817 (except that I was under the impression that > he was in Missouri by this time). If this is William, Jr., it shows that he > had 4 sons under age 10. I can only account for two of them Walter and > Simeon. He also had 2 daughters under 10; Louisa and Mary Lavina. There > are three other girls - One aged 10 to 16 and two 16 to 18 (one must have > been his wife). The other two girls must have been sisters as in 1820 > William, Jr. was only about 26 years old himself. > > Has anyone identified these two William Mattingly's on the 1820 census? I > went this route because it appears possible that the William who married the > Vessell's girl could also have been a son of William, Jr. > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

This is the same thing I have on Eleanor; daughter of Joseph and Hessina. ****************** >Joe, I have James Vessels (ca.1779-after 1860) and Eleanor Mattingly >(ca.1786-ca.1860) married 11-9-1808 Washington County, Kentucky. I also have >that James was the son of a senior James Vessels and that Eleanor was a >daughter of Hessina Hinton and Joseph Mattingly. > I further have that per the 1810 US Census, James being age 26-45 and >Eleanor being age 16-26, with son under age 10, were residing in Washington >County, Kentucky. > And, according to the 1860 US Census, James being age 76 and Eleanor >being age 74, were residing Meade County, Kentucky

Looking at the 1820 census for Washington County; there are two William Mattingly's, both aged 26 but under 45. One of these appears to be William, Jr., son of William, died 1817 (except that I was under the impression that he was in Missouri by this time). If this is William, Jr., it shows that he had 4 sons under age 10. I can only account for two of them Walter and Simeon. He also had 2 daughters under 10; Louisa and Mary Lavina. There are three other girls - One aged 10 to 16 and two 16 to 18 (one must have been his wife). The other two girls must have been sisters as in 1820 William, Jr. was only about 26 years old himself. Has anyone identified these two William Mattingly's on the 1820 census? I went this route because it appears possible that the William who married the Vessell's girl could also have been a son of William, Jr.

I have the same info as everyone else I suppose and William, Jr., born 1794 I believe was in Perry County, Missouri and reportedly died there on 3-10-1844. His wife Catherine Elizabeth Manning Mattingly is there on the 1850 census and in the home with her were children, Simeon, Louisa, and James. I know next to nothing about William's (died 1817) 2nd wife except that she was reportedly a daughter of Joseph Clark. I have that her last child, John Clark, was born in 1810. Could she have died shortly thereafter, and William perhaps married a 3rd time and named a second son William? I agree this is a reasonable path to explore. *********************** >Dan and Ralph, I'm glad you think this may be a line worth pursuing. There >is definitely a relationship between these two families, the William >Mattingly d. 1817 family and the James Vessels family whose granddaughter >married Bridget Anna Vessels. > >It was pointed out to me that the James Mattingly and the William Mattingly >found with Elisha Vessels on the 1823 Perry County, Mo St. Mary Church >census were sons of William Mattingly d. 1817. and I found a reference to >that in O"Rourke's MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, along with the >reference that Elisha Vessels was the son of James Vessels, Sr. That may be >irrevalent except that it shows that these families had a relationship. And >James Vessels and William Mattingly d. 1817 shared grandchildren if William >b. 1813-1814 is the son of William d.1817 and his wife Nancy. > >I have William died 1817 as the son of Ignatius,died 1789, son of Thomas >II.also. JB >*************************************************************** > I have this William as b. 1741, d. 1817, and the son of Ignatius >(1704-1789), the son of Thomas II. Does this jibe with everyone else's >information? >Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX >****************************************** >> I for one believe you may have found the key to unlocking the William >> Mattingly mystery! Pursuing your thoughts, we find two Murrys in Green Co. >in >> 1850, Alexander and Felix, who were very likely relatives of Nancy. >Neither >> name is very "Catholic". >> Making a further assumption that the second child was female(since no >male >> Mattinglys show an affiliation with William throughout his life), born >> c1815-16, >> there was a marriage of a Lucinda Mattingly to John Woodring, 11-12-1832 >in >> Washington County. In 1850, she and John are in household #611, Hardin >Co., >> near household #554, our William Mattingly(Mattinghy on census index). >She's >> the closest Mattingly neighbor of William, shown as 35, 2 years younger >than >> William's 37, and she has named her children - Susan M., Martina(William >> named a daughter Malvina about 2 years later), FELIX, Francis, Augusta A., >> and Cyrus. Here again, these names are not the "normal Catholic" names. >> The "coincidences" are quite strong - >> Felix(after uncle?), Martina-Malvina, move from Washington Co. to Hardin >Co. >> close to William, not-so-Catholic names, Cyrus-Alexander(historical >> connection), age right, birthplace right(KY), closest Mattingly... >> As to two Williams from same father, have seen this time and time again >in >> many families, especially if there was a second family from a different >wife, >> because in most cases the first family was raised elsewhere by relatives. >> Another cause was first and second given names, where the child's >preference >> was the name of his father - e.g., brothers Thomas William and William >James >> might prefer to go by William in their adult lives. One might live as >William >> Jr., meaning only he was younger than the other nearby William, not that >he >> had the identical name of his father. >> Thank you for the insights, at the very least it's a path for >> investigation, just as promising as, if not more than, the 1826 will of >Luke >> Mattingly. >> >> Dan Creel >> >> >> ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== >> <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >> We also have the [email protected] >> Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >> Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >> To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >> ============================== >> Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >> your heritage! >> http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >> > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. 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O'Rourke, in his MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER says that William Mattingly son of William Mattingly d. 1817 and Elizabeth Clark married Elizabeth Catherine Manning Feb 15 1814 in Perry Co. Missouri, so he was already in MO. in 1820. His first child is listed as being Walter F. born c. 1814, Perry Co., MO.JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R Mattingly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > Looking at the 1820 census for Washington County; there are two William > Mattingly's, both aged 26 but under 45. One of these appears to be William, > Jr., son of William, died 1817 (except that I was under the impression that > he was in Missouri by this time). If this is William, Jr., it shows that he > had 4 sons under age 10. I can only account for two of them Walter and > Simeon. He also had 2 daughters under 10; Louisa and Mary Lavina. There > are three other girls - One aged 10 to 16 and two 16 to 18 (one must have > been his wife). The other two girls must have been sisters as in 1820 > William, Jr. was only about 26 years old himself. > > Has anyone identified these two William Mattingly's on the 1820 census? I > went this route because it appears possible that the William who married the > Vessell's girl could also have been a son of William, Jr. > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Joe, I have James Vessels (ca.1779-after 1860) and Eleanor Mattingly (ca.1786-ca.1860) married 11-9-1808 Washington County, Kentucky. I also have that James was the son of a senior James Vessels and that Eleanor was a daughter of Hessina Hinton and Joseph Mattingly. I further have that per the 1810 US Census, James being age 26-45 and Eleanor being age 16-26, with son under age 10, were residing in Washington County, Kentucky. And, according to the 1860 US Census, James being age 76 and Eleanor being age 74, were residing Meade County, Kentucky

Much to my surprise and dismay I found below: Individual: Murry, Nancy County/State: Washington Co., KY Page #: 172 Year: 1830 Did she revert to her maiden name or not marry William in the first place? Or is this the some Nancy Murry? Another mystery? JB

Ralph,Judith I have James Vessells,jr married Eleanor Mattingly.She is in my line but dont know where she fits.Could be the connection between the two families. Joe Mattingly Nelson Co,Ky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 >Yes Judith, I am indeed interested in this line, for this William (1741-1817) >apparently was a brother of my my g4grandfather Leonard Mattingly (1739-1829). >Please keep the information coming. >Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

In looking for Nancy Mattingly widow of William d 1817 in the census index of 1820, I didn't find Nancy but did find these alleged Mattinglys with different surname spellings. Maybe they will be of some help for someone. Census Index: U.S. Selected Counties, 1820 Matina, Jonathan State : KY County : Henry Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 218 Matingby, Ignatius State : KY County : Madison Co. Location : Richmond Year : 1820 Page # : 178 Matinger, John State : PA County : Philadelphia Co. Location : Passyunk Twp Year : 1820 Page # : 143 Matingley, Barnet State : KY County : Grayson Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 146 Matingley, Bennit State : KY County : Grayson Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 146 Matingley, Zacheriah State : IL County : Gallatin Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 76 Age ranges in household : 01-04-00-00 Matingly, Edward State : KY County : Washington Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 061 Matingly, Gabriel J. State : MD County : Frederick Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 081 Matingly, James State : VA County : Fairfax Co. Location : Truro Parish Year : 1820 Page # : 069 Matingly, Thomas State : IN County : Perry Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 149 Matingly, Thomas State : MD County : Prince George's Co. Year : 1820 Page # : 223

Yes Judith, I am indeed interested in this line, for this William (1741-1817) apparently was a brother of my my g4grandfather Leonard Mattingly (1739-1829). Please keep the information coming. Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX

Joe, I have Eleanor Mattingly as the wife of James Vessels, Jr. the son of the James we are talking about that witnessed the will of William Mattingly d 1817. I have her as the daughter of Joseph F. Mattingly (of the Cezar Line) and his wife Hessina Hinton of Washington County. I think that all these Mattinglys are kin in one way or another, don't you? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > Ralph,Judith > I have James Vessells,jr married Eleanor Mattingly.She is in my > line but dont know where she fits.Could be the connection between > the two families. > Joe Mattingly > Nelson Co,Ky > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > > > >Yes Judith, I am indeed interested in this line, for this William > (1741-1817) > >apparently was a brother of my my g4grandfather Leonard Mattingly > (1739-1829). > >Please keep the information coming. > >Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX > > > > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > >We also have the [email protected] > >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib > e > > > >============================== > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Ralph, we must be "cuzins". Leonard Mattingly d 1829 is my 5th great grandfather. I am confident as one can be in this genealogy business, that William d. 1817 and Leonard d. 1829 are both the sons of Ignatius d. 1789, son of Thomas II, due to the wills. My records show that the Lucinda Mattingly that married John Woodring in 1832 in Washington County is the daughter of Joseph Mattingly and Mary Hayden, though. However, I tend to think that this may be an error on my part. I am a firm believer of following the names in family constellations, and the names of the children of William Mattingly b 1813 and the names of the children of Lucinda Mattingly m. John Woodring, bear a great deal of coincidence as Dan Creel has pointed out, and their close family association in living near one another lend more credence to the supposition that they were relatives. Where else can we look for confirmation or to refute this budding theory? Where are William and Bob? Chime in, PLEASE! Judith A. Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly d 1817 > Yes Judith, I am indeed interested in this line, for this William (1741-1817) > apparently was a brother of my my g4grandfather Leonard Mattingly (1739-1829). > Please keep the information coming. > Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Judith, Dan, William et al------ I have this William as b. 1741, d. 1817, and the son of Ignatius (1704-1789), the son of Thomas II. Does this jibe with everyone else's information? Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX

Dan and Ralph, I'm glad you think this may be a line worth pursuing. There is definitely a relationship between these two families, the William Mattingly d. 1817 family and the James Vessels family whose granddaughter married Bridget Anna Vessels. It was pointed out to me that the James Mattingly and the William Mattingly found with Elisha Vessels on the 1823 Perry County, Mo St. Mary Church census were sons of William Mattingly d. 1817. and I found a reference to that in O"Rourke's MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, along with the reference that Elisha Vessels was the son of James Vessels, Sr. That may be irrevalent except that it shows that these families had a relationship. And James Vessels and William Mattingly d. 1817 shared grandchildren if William b. 1813-1814 is the son of William d.1817 and his wife Nancy. I have William died 1817 as the son of Ignatius,died 1789, son of Thomas II.also. JB *************************************************************** I have this William as b. 1741, d. 1817, and the son of Ignatius (1704-1789), the son of Thomas II. Does this jibe with everyone else's information? Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX ****************************************** > I for one believe you may have found the key to unlocking the William > Mattingly mystery! Pursuing your thoughts, we find two Murrys in Green Co. in > 1850, Alexander and Felix, who were very likely relatives of Nancy. Neither > name is very "Catholic". > Making a further assumption that the second child was female(since no male > Mattinglys show an affiliation with William throughout his life), born > c1815-16, > there was a marriage of a Lucinda Mattingly to John Woodring, 11-12-1832 in > Washington County. In 1850, she and John are in household #611, Hardin Co., > near household #554, our William Mattingly(Mattinghy on census index). She's > the closest Mattingly neighbor of William, shown as 35, 2 years younger than > William's 37, and she has named her children - Susan M., Martina(William > named a daughter Malvina about 2 years later), FELIX, Francis, Augusta A., > and Cyrus. Here again, these names are not the "normal Catholic" names. > The "coincidences" are quite strong - > Felix(after uncle?), Martina-Malvina, move from Washington Co. to Hardin Co. > close to William, not-so-Catholic names, Cyrus-Alexander(historical > connection), age right, birthplace right(KY), closest Mattingly... > As to two Williams from same father, have seen this time and time again in > many families, especially if there was a second family from a different wife, > because in most cases the first family was raised elsewhere by relatives. > Another cause was first and second given names, where the child's preference > was the name of his father - e.g., brothers Thomas William and William James > might prefer to go by William in their adult lives. One might live as William > Jr., meaning only he was younger than the other nearby William, not that he > had the identical name of his father. > Thank you for the insights, at the very least it's a path for > investigation, just as promising as, if not more than, the 1826 will of Luke > Mattingly. > > Dan Creel > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

In a message dated 08/11/2001 7:45:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Putting all this together, do you think that William Mattingly who died in 1817, married for the third time to Nancy Murry in Green County had two children he wasn't especially proud of, because they had mixed ancestry of Indian blood, one of which was William Mattingly who married Bridget Anna Vessels in 1837. The family tradition is that the mother of William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814 was full blooded Indian. Could the spelling of the name Murry indicate Indian ancestry? Tell me what you think. Judith Burger >> Judith, I for one believe you may have found the key to unlocking the William Mattingly mystery! Pursuing your thoughts, we find two Murrys in Green Co. in 1850, Alexander and Felix, who were very likely relatives of Nancy. Neither name is very "Catholic". Making a further assumption that the second child was female(since no male Mattinglys show an affiliation with William throughout his life), born c1815-16, there was a marriage of a Lucinda Mattingly to John Woodring, 11-12-1832 in Washington County. In 1850, she and John are in household #611, Hardin Co., near household #554, our William Mattingly(Mattinghy on census index). She's the closest Mattingly neighbor of William, shown as 35, 2 years younger than William's 37, and she has named her children - Susan M., Martina(William named a daughter Malvina about 2 years later), FELIX, Francis, Augusta A., and Cyrus. Here again, these names are not the "normal Catholic" names. The "coincidences" are quite strong - Felix(after uncle?), Martina-Malvina, move from Washington Co. to Hardin Co. close to William, not-so-Catholic names, Cyrus-Alexander(historical connection), age right, birthplace right(KY), closest Mattingly... As to two Williams from same father, have seen this time and time again in many families, especially if there was a second family from a different wife, because in most cases the first family was raised elsewhere by relatives. Another cause was first and second given names, where the child's preference was the name of his father - e.g., brothers Thomas William and William James might prefer to go by William in their adult lives. One might live as William Jr., meaning only he was younger than the other nearby William, not that he had the identical name of his father. Thank you for the insights, at the very least it's a path for investigation, just as promising as, if not more than, the 1826 will of Luke Mattingly. Dan Creel

Notes of Rev. Abell dated 1886? Lum Mattingly m. Eliz Rhodes Children- Mary Apilone,Margaret and Loncy. Who's the Lum? Joe

Judith, Most show William, James and Edward children of Wm. as moving to Mo. Not likely to have two because this William didn't die until 1844. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Burger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Re: William Mattingly d 1817 >I don't know if this is significant or not, but Elisha (aka Delijus) Vessels brother of the Benjamin Vessels below who is the father of Bridget Anna Vessels who married mysterious William Mattingly b. 1813-1814, moved his family from Washington County, Kentucky to Perry County, Missouri and he is found on the Census of St. Mary of the Barrens, parish census, Perry County, Mo in 1823 along with a William Mattingly and a James Mattingly. CATHOLIC FAMILIES OF SOUTHERN MARYLAND, T.J. O'Rourke, p. 102. I don't know who this William and James Mattingly are. Do you? >Judith Burger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Burger > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 7:43 PM > Subject: William Mattingly d 1817 > > > I don't mean to rub salt into old wounds, but I have noticed a few little tidbits about the William Mattingly that died in 1817. > > 1. In his will he states: "Item my two children from my wife Nancy Mattingly I leave them five shillings each of them." This seems to indicate that he had ONLY two children from his wife Nancy. Now we know that he had a passel of children from his wife Elizabeth Clark, who some call Nancy Elizabeth, though the marriage record from CD #229, the only source I have on this marriage to date, states Elizabeth Clark only. So he does not sound like he is talking about Nancy Elizabeth. > > 2. His will is witnessed by James Vessels, and Benjamin Vessels is brother of one James Vessels and the son of another James Vessels, and the father of Bridget Anna Vessels who married the mysterious William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814. > > 3. Green County, Kentucky is right next door to Washington County in 1817, before Marion County was formed, and a William Mattingly married Nancy Murry in Green County, KY April 1, 1813. (Spelled: Murry, not Murray) > > Putting all this together, do you think that William Mattingly who died in 1817, married for the third time to Nancy Murry in Green County had two children he wasn't especially proud of, because they had mixed ancestry of Indian blood, one of which was William Mattingly who married Bridget Anna Vessels in 1837. The family tradition is that the mother of William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814 was full blooded Indian. Could the spelling of the name Murry indicate Indian ancestry? > > Tell me what you think. Judith Burger > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscrib e > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I don't know if this is significant or not, but Elisha (aka Delijus) Vessels brother of the Benjamin Vessels below who is the father of Bridget Anna Vessels who married mysterious William Mattingly b. 1813-1814, moved his family from Washington County, Kentucky to Perry County, Missouri and he is found on the Census of St. Mary of the Barrens, parish census, Perry County, Mo in 1823 along with a William Mattingly and a James Mattingly. CATHOLIC FAMILIES OF SOUTHERN MARYLAND, T.J. O'Rourke, p. 102. I don't know who this William and James Mattingly are. Do you? Judith Burger ----- Original Message ----- From: Burger To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: William Mattingly d 1817 I don't mean to rub salt into old wounds, but I have noticed a few little tidbits about the William Mattingly that died in 1817. 1. In his will he states: "Item my two children from my wife Nancy Mattingly I leave them five shillings each of them." This seems to indicate that he had ONLY two children from his wife Nancy. Now we know that he had a passel of children from his wife Elizabeth Clark, who some call Nancy Elizabeth, though the marriage record from CD #229, the only source I have on this marriage to date, states Elizabeth Clark only. So he does not sound like he is talking about Nancy Elizabeth. 2. His will is witnessed by James Vessels, and Benjamin Vessels is brother of one James Vessels and the son of another James Vessels, and the father of Bridget Anna Vessels who married the mysterious William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814. 3. Green County, Kentucky is right next door to Washington County in 1817, before Marion County was formed, and a William Mattingly married Nancy Murry in Green County, KY April 1, 1813. (Spelled: Murry, not Murray) Putting all this together, do you think that William Mattingly who died in 1817, married for the third time to Nancy Murry in Green County had two children he wasn't especially proud of, because they had mixed ancestry of Indian blood, one of which was William Mattingly who married Bridget Anna Vessels in 1837. The family tradition is that the mother of William Mattingly b. abt 1813-1814 was full blooded Indian. Could the spelling of the name Murry indicate Indian ancestry? Tell me what you think. Judith Burger