Shirley, my files are probably mixed up too or at least incomplete, because I have that the Ann Fenwick, daughter of Cuthbert Fenwick and Elizabeth Brooke married Clement T. Spalding as a first marriage but I have no published documentation of this. I don't know if she had a second marriage. I have that Ann Spalding, daughter of Elizabeth Brooke by her second marriage to John Spalding, c 1729, married, bef Sept 4, 1759, SMCM John Baptist Mattingly, d 1817, probably the son of John Baptist Mattingly b. 1713, d. after December of 1793. I have no proof of this connection beyond H. M. Mattingly's comment on p, 27 of his Mattingly Family in Early America, "possibly he (John Baptist Mattingly b. 1713) had a son John Baptist" The will abstract of Elizabeth Brooke Fenwick Spalding is not much help, in that it lists B.T. Mattingly. That could well be a mis-transcription of C. T. Mattingly though. I have not seen the original. Cuthbert Fenwick does not name his daughters in his will and I have not found a will for John Spalding, only one Prerogative Court Abstract that lists Elizabeth Spalding as his Administratrix/Executrix but does not name his children. Conclusion: The father of John Baptist Mattingly, d. 1817 is not proved, but circumstantial evidence suggests he may be John Baptist Mattingly b. 1713, d. after Dec of 1793. Spalding, Elizabeth, St. Mary's Co. Signed: 4 March 1760, Proved: 24 June 1760 To son Robert Fenwick, one slave. To son Benjamin Fenwick, - Mentions: pt. of crop due from B.T. Mattingly and everything that is jointly due me from sd. Mattanly, give to son Benj. To grand-dau. Ann Burn, my riding horse and etc. To dau. Ann Mattanly, 1 s. sterl. To grand-son John Taney, 1 s. sterl. money. Witnesses: Igns. Fenwick, John Megill. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] Re: George Warren > Judith, > > Please clarify for me which John Baptist Mattingly this is that married Ann > Fenwick, dau of Cuthbert Fenwick and Elizabeth Brooke Fenwick Spalding? > (Donnelly's book St. Mary's Co Colonial Period Tenants pg 111 does not say > who the parents of John Baptist Mattingly were.) > > Looks like I've got my John Baptists mixed up again! > > Shirley > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Judith, Please clarify for me which John Baptist Mattingly this is that married Ann Fenwick, dau of Cuthbert Fenwick and Elizabeth Brooke Fenwick Spalding? (Donnelly's book St. Mary's Co Colonial Period Tenants pg 111 does not say who the parents of John Baptist Mattingly were.) Looks like I've got my John Baptists mixed up again! Shirley

I've got this abstract that was enough for me to attach Elizabeth Warren Mattingly to Thomas III. In my humble opinion George Warren IS the uncle of Thomas III's children by Elizabeth Warren , but I have John Baptist as the son of Thomas III and Ruth Cole. If so George Warren would not be the uncle of John Baptist. Am I wrong? Is John Baptist the son of Elizabeth Warren? Judith Burger Warren, Thomas, St. Mary's Co. 13 Mar, 1744/5 4 Jun, 1744/5 Child.: Mary Kitting, Susanna Strong, Monica Hill, George. Grandchild.: heirs of Elizabeth Mattingly, dec'd. To Mary Kitting, dau. 1 heifer, provided her husband delivers my young horse to George Warren. George Warren, ex. Wit: Thos. Spalding, Leonard Mattingly, Edward Mattingly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: [MATTINGLY] Re: George Warren > > Has anyone seen this entry on the SMC forum? Barb is trying to prove that > the George Warren named in Thomas Warren's will is her ancestor. What > caught my eye was that there was a George Warren in Sugarland Hundred of > Montgomery Co., in 1776. Wasn't there also a John Baptist Mattingly there > in this time period? In theory, George Warren could be the uncle of John > Baptist son of Thomas III and Elizabeth Warren Mattingly? Any takers? > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Paul Mattingly/HE/Mail on 08/22/2001 > 09:35 AM --------------------------- > > Please respond to [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > cc: > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: MDSTMARY-D Digest V01 #265 > > > Thanks to all that sent me the URL for St Mary's families. > > I am looking for proof that my George Warren (Warring) 1722-1780 was the > son of Thomas Warren 1702-1745. I would like to find info on Thomas and > his family. I have two different lines for this George. > > George, Thomas, John 1680-1750 and Thomas d. 1698 (have this will) > > I also recently found info that has George, Thomas, Joseph and Ignatius. > Are these two separate families? > > My George was in Sugarland Hundred in Montgomery Co MD in 1776. He had > sons - George Jr, John (Johan), Thomas, Ann, Mary, and Alley. > Who was his father, grandfather, etc. > -- > Barb > > Main lines COLE, WARREN & ROBERTS > Other names Carrico, Stoneman, Haga, Parks and more > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=barbnor > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/o/r/Barbara-E-Norvell/index.html > > > > > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Has anyone seen this entry on the SMC forum? Barb is trying to prove that the George Warren named in Thomas Warren's will is her ancestor. What caught my eye was that there was a George Warren in Sugarland Hundred of Montgomery Co., in 1776. Wasn't there also a John Baptist Mattingly there in this time period? In theory, George Warren could be the uncle of John Baptist son of Thomas III and Elizabeth Warren Mattingly? Any takers? ---------------------- Forwarded by Paul Mattingly/HE/Mail on 08/22/2001 09:35 AM --------------------------- Please respond to [email protected] To: [email protected] cc: Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: MDSTMARY-D Digest V01 #265 Thanks to all that sent me the URL for St Mary's families. I am looking for proof that my George Warren (Warring) 1722-1780 was the son of Thomas Warren 1702-1745. I would like to find info on Thomas and his family. I have two different lines for this George. George, Thomas, John 1680-1750 and Thomas d. 1698 (have this will) I also recently found info that has George, Thomas, Joseph and Ignatius. Are these two separate families? My George was in Sugarland Hundred in Montgomery Co MD in 1776. He had sons - George Jr, John (Johan), Thomas, Ann, Mary, and Alley. Who was his father, grandfather, etc. -- Barb Main lines COLE, WARREN & ROBERTS Other names Carrico, Stoneman, Haga, Parks and more http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=barbnor http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/o/r/Barbara-E-Norvell/index.html

I'm gonna beat this dead horse because I can't find Charles Fowler Mattingly during 1820. If this isn't him in Breckinridge, and it doesn't appear to be, where was he? There's a Charles in Washington County (also over age 45) who may have been a son of Jeremiah and Sarah Shanks (Jeremiah was in Washington County during this time also). I believe I see two of Charles Fowler's brothers in Washington; Ignatius, Jr. and Basil. I don't find Henry and certainly none of the girls. Anyone know where Charles Fowler was at? I have thought too that maybe I have a transcription problem and recorded some ages wrong but the children don't match either so if I recorded the adult ages wrong I must have recorded the number of children wrong also. ***************** Has anyone ever done any extensive research on Charles Fowler, born about 1790 and the son of Ignatius Mattingly and Sarah Catherine Fowler? Charles is found on the Breckinridge County Tax lists of 1818 with property on Yellow Bank. He is reportedly on the 1820 census there but this doesn't seem right to me. The Charles on this census is shown as over 45 years of age. This means he would have to have been born at least by 1775 (impossible because his father was born about 1771). Who is this Charles because I do not believe it is Charles Fowler who would have been no more than about 30 in 1820. Further, I believe Charles left Breckinridge but returned later, appears on the 1830 census and later, died there. This elder Charles on the 1820 census had male children as follows: 1 - under 10 1 - 10 to 16 1 - 16 to 18 1 - 18 to 26 1 - 26 to 45 1 over 45 (himself) By 1830 there are two Charles Mattingly's in Breckinridge County. One is age 30 to 40 and this meets with Charles Fowler perfectly. This man even has one son (only one) between the ages of 5 and 10 (this matches the age of Ignatius Arnold to a "T"). The ages of the girls also match: 1 under 5 (Emeline); 1 age 5 to 10 (Elizabeth); 1 age 10 to 15 (Mary); and 2 age 15 to 20 (Louisa and Rosina), then of-course, his wife. The 2nd Charles, I believe, is Charles Elsey Mattingly and aged 20 to 30. This seems to match with the often reported birthdate of 1791 (as the census of 1850 suggests). What I'm suggesting is that I believe Charles Elsey was a son of this "unknown" Charles on the 1820 census, who is dead by 1830 and he was not born about 1787 but about 1791. Now all we need to do is identify this Charles Mattingly who is over age 45 in 1820 and I believe we'll have the line of Henry Elsey. I used to think this man was a Charles Bernard Mattingly but I been convinced that this man never existed. The man I carried as Charles Bernard was in fact, Barnett. Barnett, incidently, is in Grayson County during both 1820 and 1830 and while he had a son in the same age bracket as Charles Elsey, this son was named James (shows up on the 1830 census in Grayson). James later marries a Jane and is on the 1850 census of Grayson County. There is one Mattingly who seems to dissapear on us; that was Clement. He appears in Washington County, Maryland during the 1783 tax records and then comes to Kentucky about the same time as Joseph, Richard, Barnett, and James Barton but I don't find him in 1820 (obviously could be dead or moved). Some folks believe he was the father of that bunch who became Matney's and I suppose he certainly could have been. Anyone in the mood for a great mind twister?

Thanks for your reply, Shirley. Indeed, the b., d. dates I was trying to cite for Ignatius Mattingly were 1771 and 1851 respectively. Also, I have re- checked my sources about the mother of Stephen A. Mattingly(1810-1889), and the preponderance is that she was Sarah Catherine Fowler, as opposed to Catherine Hardesty. While I have that Sarah Catherine Fowler deceased in 1839, I only have an approximate birth date of "ca.1765" for her; do you have a more accurate one? Also, do you have the names of the parents and siblings of Sarah Catherine Fowler? Thanks again for your help, Ralph Banks

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Ralph, I am guessing that Ignatius Mattingly below, died in 1851, and not 1751. What other children do you show for Ignatius Mattingly and Catherine Hardesty? I am showing Ignatius' first wife, Sarah Catherine Fowler as having died in 1839. Was Stephen A. Mattingly, Sr. born 10 Sept 1810 in Wash Co, KY? Death 3 Dec 1889 Meade Co, KY? Thanks...Shirley In a message dated 8/18/01 1:27:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Thanks for your reply, William. I guess my wording was faulty, for yes, > according to our information, Stephen A. Mattingly (my g2grandfather) was > the > son of Catherine Hardesty and Ignatius Mattingly (1771-1751), Catherine > being > the second wife of Ignatius. Any information you or others might be able > to > share on Catherine will be appreciated. > Ralph Banks > > >

As a matter of fact, some of them are buried at Old St. Joseph's. I believe it was you that posted the records of the burials but perhaps it wasn't. Anyway, I found the following in St. Joseph's, RCC at St. Mary's County: George H. 2-26-1818 to 11-17-1887 #4 Martha M. 10-3-1835 to 1-6-1916 #3 Also buried very near them is: J. Harriett 11-24-1856 to 4-14-1924 #2 George G. birth ? to 12-24-1864 #1 George Armstrong 9-2-1866 to 4-12-1888 #5 John B. 8-1-1864 to 5-27-1889 #8 Theolphus 10-29-1862 to 11-30-1888 #6 Could these be other children of George and Martha? Didn't find a Joseph of the right age in this cemetery. I did find a James T. but the birthdate is wrong: James T. 10-13-1865 to 11-20-1902 #189. **************************** >George Mattingly and Elizabeth Wimsatt had a son Joseph that I have no info >on. Part of the family went on to KY-but part stayed in the MD, Wash DC >area. But again, I just have never followed this line. They all seem to >hang out at St. Joseph's RCC, SMC, MD-so the best bet is to check the >records for St. Joseph. I would not even be surprised if some of the family >members being looked for were buried there. >MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER >[email protected] >edmonds, washington, usa > >-----Original Message----- >From: William R Mattingly [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:25 AM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] James Thomas Mattingly of MD, b c 1860-1900 > >The only thing I've been able to do is partially verify what you have on >Rootsweb Melissa; the 1850 census shows Charles H. (father of James Thomas) >residing with his mother Elizabeth Monarch Mattingly, in St. Mary's County, >Maryland. His father, who you show as Joseph, is dead by this time. I've >tried to determine which Joseph this was but I just keep coming up with the >possibility that he was the son of John Mattingly and Ann Ford. I've also >wondered if this pair might have been the parents of the Henry Mattingly >that married Rebecca Burrough's also but I only have two children for them, >Joseph and Elizabeth, and John reportedly died about 1773. > > >********* >an anyone help Thomas Johnson with information on this Mattingly? He sent >me a picture of his grandparents, If you are interested. Please reply >directly to him at [email protected] Thanks. > > >

I don't think it is this Joseph since I believe he died 1790: Carol [email protected], will book JJ #1, p 524-525 and I show them he married Elizabeth Monarch after June 7, 1815 Marriages of St. Mary's County, MD 1634-1900 by Margaret K. Fresco Eastern Shore Regional Library, Salisbury, MD 21801. It is confusing in that I have a Charles Hillery, born to Ignatius Benedict Mattingly 1838 in Davies Co, IN-so I do not believe they are the same folk. The James Thomas Mattingly who was born c 1858, and married both Medora Guy and then Ruth A Guy, was the son of George H Mattingly and Martha Mary Brown. This Mattingly family stayed in MD, so I have very little on them. George H was the son of Joseph Mattingly and Elizabeth Monarch. George Mattingly and Elizabeth Wimsatt had a son Joseph that I have no info on. Part of the family went on to KY-but part stayed in the MD, Wash DC area. But again, I just have never followed this line. They all seem to hang out at St. Joseph's RCC, SMC, MD-so the best bet is to check the records for St. Joseph. I would not even be surprised if some of the family members being looked for were buried there. MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER [email protected] edmonds, washington, usa -----Original Message----- From: William R Mattingly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:25 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] James Thomas Mattingly of MD, b c 1860-1900 The only thing I've been able to do is partially verify what you have on Rootsweb Melissa; the 1850 census shows Charles H. (father of James Thomas) residing with his mother Elizabeth Monarch Mattingly, in St. Mary's County, Maryland. His father, who you show as Joseph, is dead by this time. I've tried to determine which Joseph this was but I just keep coming up with the possibility that he was the son of John Mattingly and Ann Ford. I've also wondered if this pair might have been the parents of the Henry Mattingly that married Rebecca Burrough's also but I only have two children for them, Joseph and Elizabeth, and John reportedly died about 1773. ********* an anyone help Thomas Johnson with information on this Mattingly? He sent me a picture of his grandparents, If you are interested. Please reply directly to him at [email protected] Thanks.

Thanks for your reply, William. I guess my wording was faulty, for yes, according to our information, Stephen A. Mattingly (my g2grandfather) was the son of Catherine Hardesty and Ignatius Mattingly (1771-1751), Catherine being the second wife of Ignatius. Any information you or others might be able to share on Catherine will be appreciated. Ralph Banks

Ralph, I wish I could but Catherine spells a blank for me. I would ask though, wasn't Stephen Catherine's child and not the child of his father's first wife? I currently carry Stephen as a child of Sarah Fowler's but have seen that some researchers don't show this. ***************** Catherine Hardesty was the second wife of Ignatius Mattingly (1771-1851) and one of my g3grandmothers. Could you or someone help me with her b. d. m. dates, and the names of her parents and siblings?

The only thing I've been able to do is partially verify what you have on Rootsweb Melissa; the 1850 census shows Charles H. (father of James Thomas) residing with his mother Elizabeth Monarch Mattingly, in St. Mary's County, Maryland. His father, who you show as Joseph, is dead by this time. I've tried to determine which Joseph this was but I just keep coming up with the possibility that he was the son of John Mattingly and Ann Ford. I've also wondered if this pair might have been the parents of the Henry Mattingly that married Rebecca Burrough's also but I only have two children for them, Joseph and Elizabeth, and John reportedly died about 1773. ********* an anyone help Thomas Johnson with information on this Mattingly? He sent me a picture of his grandparents, If you are interested. Please reply directly to him at [email protected] Thanks.

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William, et al---- Catherine Hardesty was the second wife of Ignatius Mattingly (1771-1851) and one of my g3grandmothers. Could you or someone help me with her b. d. m. dates, and the names of her parents and siblings? Thanks, Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX

Thanks William, for the information on Charles Fowler Mattingly. Charles was a half-brother to my G2Grandfather Stephen A. Mattingly. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Can anyone help Thomas Johnson with information on this Mattingly? He sent me a picture of his grandparents, If you are interested. Please reply directly to him at [email protected] Thanks. MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER [email protected] edmonds, washington, usa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 7:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: The Mattingly's of St.Marys Co. Md Dear Melissa My name is Thomas Francis Johnson, My grandmother was Lucy Edwina Mattingly born April 20.1897 to James Thomas Mattingly and Medora Josephine Guy. Ive been trying to find info on James Thomas Mattingly, birthdate,marriage dates,death date and where buried. Would also like to find out about my grandmothers sisters and brothers and thier children on down to present. Any info or guidence you could help me with would be greatly appreciated and if i could help you with any info please let me know. I will attach a picture oj my grandparents Francis Desales Johnson and Lucy Edwina Mattingly on thier wedding day 26Dec1916 Sincerely, Thomas F.Johnson

Has anyone ever done any extensive research on Charles Fowler, born about 1790 and the son of Ignatius Mattingly and Sarah Catherine Fowler? Charles is found on the Breckinridge County Tax lists of 1818 with property on Yellow Bank. He is reportedly on the 1820 census there but this doesn't seem right to me. The Charles on this census is shown as over 45 years of age. This means he would have to have been born at least by 1775 (impossible because his father was born about 1771). Who is this Charles because I do not believe it is Charles Fowler who would have been no more than about 30 in 1820. Further, I believe Charles left Breckinridge but returned later, appears on the 1830 census and later, died there. This elder Charles on the 1820 census had male children as follows: 1 - under 10 1 - 10 to 16 1 - 16 to 18 1 - 18 to 26 1 - 26 to 45 1 over 45 (himself) By 1830 there are two Charles Mattingly's in Breckinridge County. One is age 30 to 40 and this meets with Charles Fowler perfectly. This man even has one son (only one) between the ages of 5 and 10 (this matches the age of Ignatius Arnold to a "T"). The ages of the girls also match: 1 under 5 (Emeline); 1 age 5 to 10 (Elizabeth); 1 age 10 to 15 (Mary); and 2 age 15 to 20 (Louisa and Rosina), then of-course, his wife. The 2nd Charles, I believe, is Charles Elsey Mattingly and aged 20 to 30. This seems to match with the often reported birthdate of 1791 (as the census of 1850 suggests). What I'm suggesting is that I believe Charles Elsey was a son of this "unknown" Charles on the 1820 census, who is dead by 1830 and he was not born about 1787 but about 1791. Now all we need to do is identify this Charles Mattingly who is over age 45 in 1820 and I believe we'll have the line of Henry Elsey. I used to think this man was a Charles Bernard Mattingly but I been convinced that this man never existed. The man I carried as Charles Bernard was in fact, Barnett. Barnett, incidently, is in Grayson County during both 1820 and 1830 and while he had a son in the same age bracket as Charles Elsey, this son was named James (shows up on the 1830 census in Grayson). James later marries a Jane and is on the 1850 census of Grayson County. There is one Mattingly who seems to dissapear on us; that was Clement. He appears in Washington County, Maryland during the 1783 tax records and then comes to Kentucky about the same time as Joseph, Richard, Barnett, and James Barton but I don't find him in 1820 (obviously could be dead or moved). Some folks believe he was the father of that bunch who became Matney's and I suppose he certainly could have been. Anyone in the mood for a great mind twister?

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That's the only one I found too, except for the Mary, 1805, that married Arthur Alvey and then later, Clement Griggs. The Mary Eleanor, reportedly in Maryland, married Joseph Morris Long about 1820 and then she and her sister made a deed to James Thomas on 5-8-1827 regarding their interest in "The choice part of Hazard". Now why didn't I record the source of this information? This Mary E. is reportedly buried in St. Joseph's Cemetery in St. Mary's County, Maryland with a death date of 10-30-1843. I'm gonna kick myself real hard if I don't start getting a bit more careful with references! ***************** I have a Mary Eleanor Mattingly, b. ca. 1803, Saint Mary's County, Maryland, d. after 1820 who was the daughter of Eleanor Ford and Ignatius Mattingly Jr.