Brenda Your argument is very good. If Jasper is 23 in 1850 then he was born in 1827 and don't have anyone lining up with that date or with Isabella as a wife. Below is my chart for John T. I have to go home now and will not be back until Monday and we can continue this most interesting discussion then. Have a good weekend Joe Matlock Descendants of John Trainum Medlock Generation No. 1 1. JOHN TRAINUM2 MEDLOCK (NEWTON JASPER1) was born 22 January 1850 in Princeton, Laurens County, South Carolina, and died 17 February 1918 in Paragould, Green County, Arkansas. John is buried at the Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene County, Arkansas. His marker reads: Jan. 22, 1864 - Feb. 17, 1917 AT REST.. He married (1) LOUISE ELIZABETH CROWE. She was born 17 September 1864 in South Carolina, and died 25 December 1935 in Paragould, Green County, Arkansas. Louise is buried at the Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene, AR. Her marker reads: Sept. 17, 1864 - Dec. 25, 1935 AT REST.. He married (2) KATHERINE LINLEY, daughter of JAMES LINLEY and MARY. She was born 17 September 1854. Notes for JOHN TRAINUM MEDLOCK: In 1907 JT is living in Tupelo, Mississippi. "Max Crow lived with Thomas, Wheeler and Commodore several times at the homestead in Dixie, AR. He said that several of the Medlocks came from East TN in a covered wagon down through AL, MO, and into AR. He also stated that they used to sit around on the front porch and argue about how old they were when they arrived in AR. Source: Max Crow May 17, 1998. Dixie is a small farming community just outside Paragould." Children of JOHN MEDLOCK and LOUISE CROWE are: i. CHARLES COON3 MEDLOCK. ii. CORA JOSEPHINE MEDLOCK, d. 13 July 1980, Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee.; m. (1) RAYMOND DOUGLAS CROWE; m. (2) PAUL FISHER. Notes for CORA JOSEPHINE MEDLOCK: "Cora died of a heat induced heart attack. It was 113 degrees on July 13 and she did not run her air conditioner because it cost too much money to operate. Cora also has stated that her Great Grand-Mother was Black Dutch. Max is part Indian and Irish. Source for both entries: Son - Max Crow May 17, 1998." Who was and or what is Black Dutch? This claim goes one generation past our current records (JWM) Notes for RAYMOND DOUGLAS CROWE: How is Raymond Crow related to his mother in law? (JWM) iii. DEXTER MEDLOCK. iv. MARTICE MEDLOCK. v. THOMAS JEFFERSON MEDLOCK, b. 11 June 1895, Alabama; d. 17 February 1966, Kennedy VA Hospital, Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee. He is buried in the Woods Chapel Cemetery, Paragould, Greene County, Arkansas.; m. ELIZABETH BETTY R.; b. 03 May 1891; d. June 1979, ?This couple is buried at the Woods Chapel cemetery in Paragould, Greene County, Arkansas... Notes for THOMAS JEFFERSON MEDLOCK: Thomas was a farmer, blacksmith, and carpenter. vi. GEORGE WASHINGTON MEDLOCK, b. May 1897, Alabama; m. ETHEL COY, 1919. vii. ELBERT L. ELI MEDLOCK, b. December 1898, Alabama; m. T. C. BARWICK, 1926. viii. WHEELER JACKSON JACK MEDLOCK, b. 23 April 1900, Haleyville, Winston County, Alabama; d. 18 November 1970, Community Hospital, Lake City, Craighead County, Arkansas. Jack is buried at the Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene County, Arkansas.; m. LOLA COY, 23 November 1923; b. 08 January 1902; d. 17 June 1937, Paragould, Green County, Arkansas. Lola is buried at the Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene County, Arkansas. Tombstone Inscription: Lola, Wife of Jack Medlock Jan. 08, 1902 June 17, 1937 Take Me Then O Lord I Pray Into Thine Arms Unto My Rest... ix. COMMODORE SHELBY MEDLOCK, b. 29 August 1902; d. 04 April 1961, Paragould, Green County, Arkansas; m. EMMA JOSEPHINE BOLING; b. Brookland, Craighead County, Arkansas.; d. 12 December 1997, Arkansas Methodist Hospital.. Notes for COMMODORE SHELBY MEDLOCK: Commodore was a blacksmith and carpenter. His nickname was "Rare". He died of emphysema. Emma was retired from the Emerson Electric Co. and was a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, and a member of Brown's Chapel Baptist Church. Emma died of Adenocarcinoma of the colon. Commodore and Emma are buried at the Pinelog Church cemetery in Brookland, Greene County, Arkansas. This is about 5 miles south of the Woods Chapel Church and cemetery. He and Emma's marker reads: Thy Will Be Done.. Children of JOHN MEDLOCK and KATHERINE LINLEY are: x. ANNA3 MEDLOCK. xi. LOLAND MEDLOCK. xii. WILLIAM ROBERT W. R. BOB MEDLOCK, b. September 1870; d. 1935. xiii. JAMES HAMILTON MEDLOCK, b. 20 December 1876, Princeton, Laurens County, South Carolina; d. 07 November 1956, Dutton, Jackson County, Alabama; m. SARA EMMA CLAYTON, 14 November 1895, Foster Bend, Rome County, Georgia; b. 21 February 1881, Crossville, DeKalb County, Alabama; d. 07 October 1963, Dutton, Jackson County, Alabama. This couple is buried at the Old Shady Grove Cemetery in Dutton, Jackson County, Alabama.. Notes for JAMES HAMILTON MEDLOCK: James was a farmer. 1920 Jackson Cty., AR. census: Dutton Precinct #28, living in household #566. Notes for SARA EMMA CLAYTON: Emma was a mid-wife and delivered most of the children born on Sand Mountain for a number of years (source: Carolyn Wynn Williams) June 06, 1998. Tombstone reads Emma S. xiv. JOHN MARION MEDLOCK, b. 22 June 1880, Laurens County, South Carolina; d. 14 July 1961, St. Mary's Hospital, Trenton, Gibson County, Tennessee; m. ELIZABETH BOONE. Notes for JOHN MARION MEDLOCK: John was a self-employed blacksmith. xv. NEWTON JASPER SAM MEDLOCK, b. 13 March 1881, South Carolina; d. 03 May 1966, Haleyville, Winston County, Alabama; m. CHARLSIE ADELINE THOMAS; b. 13 August 1884; d. 18 December 1964, Haleyville, Winston County, Alabama. This couple is buried at the Old Union Baptist Church Cemetery in Bear Creek, Winston County, Alabama... >>> <[email protected]> 02/22/01 02:05PM >>> In 1850 SC there shows to be Jasper as well as a Newton... Jasper Medlock son of Sarah and WHO???? 1850 MEDLOCK JASPER Laurens County SC 320 Laurens District Jasper Medlock 23 MW SC Farmer Value land $100 Isabella 20 FW SC John 9/12 MW SC Sarah Medlock 60 FW SC Newton son of Elizabeth and WHO 1850 MELLOCK ELIZABETH Laurens Co SC 300 Sullivan Twp Elizabeth Mellock 47 WF B SC Newton 19 WM SC Beddy C. 24 WF SC John F. 10 WM SC I dont think that the Newton youve listed for JOHN TRAINUM2 MEDLOCK is his father I think that Jasper and Isabella ( above) are his parents From John: We do know that Newton left SC and went to AR. We are not sure of the exact route he and his family traveled, but do know that a grandson was born in Booneville, Prentiss, MS. in 1895. This grandson, Thomas Jefferson Medlock, later was also buried in Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene, AR. along with his Father, John Trainum Medlock and brother Wheeler Jackson Medlock. Wheeler was born 1900 in Haleyville, Winston, AL. Newton was buried December 02, 1920 at the Woods Chapel Cemetery in Paragould, Greene, AR. Newton's marker is either buried or indecipherable from weathering as to make it unlocatable. John W. Turner" <[email protected]> Looking at John Medlock in 1900 Winston Co AL you can find the family there: That John says in 1900 that he was born in 1850. By looking above you can see that John has a son Jasper who was born in 1850* this John also names a son Jasper, and Wheeler is there as well. Newton while in 1850 is still at home with his mother and has no son. 1900 MEDLOCK JOHN Winston Co AL 218 John Medlock WM Head Jan 1850 50 M 11y SC SC SC Farme Louisa WF Wife Sep 1865 35 5/5living SC SC SC William WM Son Sep 1870 29 S SC SC SC John M WM Son June 1880 20 S SC SC SC Jasper WM son May 1885 15 S SC SC SC Chansley WF Dau Mar 1890 10 S AL SC SC Thomas WM Son June 1995 4 S AL SC SC George W WM Son May 1897 3 S AL SC SC Ell? WM Son Dec 1898 1 S AL AL SC Wheeler WM Son Apr 1900 ?/12 AL SC SC So wouldnt it be Wheeler.. son of John ..son of Jasper and Isabella and not Wheeler son of John son of Newton? In 1850 Newton who was in the war.. was 19 and living at home with his mother and not married with a son John.... It appears that John had a first wife... ??? Married second Louisa ??? abt 1889 John by his first wife was the father of William, John M and Jasper, and John and Louisa were the parents of Chansley? ( Couldnt hardly make her name out) Thomas, George W, Ell??? and Wheeler. I am looking for this family in 1920.. AR.. If I find any of them Ill let you know. Brenda ==== MATLOCK Mailing List ==== To view my website with MATLOCK information and lots more genealogy see Climbing the Branches <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jmbhome/index.html> email me <[email protected]> if you have anything to add or suggest!