Hello All, I apologize to anyone who gets more than one copy of this e-mail. I am considering the pros and cons of participating in this (quoted below) DNA study and am wondering if any other surnames related to my family tree are involved in a similar study? After all, if we "do it" for one family line and can use the same data/fees to research another family line then my husband's thrifty nature may be appeased <grin>. Following the two messages posted to the HOYT list you will find some questions I have sent to the coordinators. Please do let me know if any of the surnames receiving this message are also participating in a DNA study. THANK YOU. Terri Rene -------- Original Message -------- Announcing a HOYT GENEALOGY DNA PROJECT, Coordinator Dan Wharton, [email protected] or telephone 914-738-3722 home. This project will be examining some standard marker genes from the male Y chromosome inherited biologically from father to son, conveniently paralleling the tradition of passing surnames from father to son. This project is designed to answer two basic questions: (1) How closely related, if at all, are the various Hoyt lineages and Hoyt surname variations (Hoit, Hoyt, Haight, Hight etc.)? Do the descendants of John Hoyt and Simon Hoyt have matching Y genes, indicating a recent, common ancestor? (2) What is the ancient history of the Hoyt lineages in Europe and in the British Isles in particular? It is now possible to get fairly good readings from Y chromosome DNA as to male lineage origin from one of three main populations: Ancient resident Briton/Celtic, Anglo Saxon invader, or Norwegian Viking. We are hoping to get representation from many different Hoyt lines in the USA and Europe. The database will be an invaluable resource for Hoyt family researchers finding themselves at a "dead end" and looking for that missing link. Sample collection is accomplished privately at home with simple "cheek scrapers" and samples are sent to the lab through the mail. Results will be made available to all interested parties and identified only by pre-1900 ancestors and their geographical locations. Participant identities will be confidential (e-mail addresses shared only by mutual consent). Cost per participant is estimated to be less than $200, assuming that at least six Hoyts participate in the study. Note that all Hoyt males within your own, extended family would be expected to share the same Y genes so it is most economical to process just one sample from either yourself or one of your male Hoyt relatives and share costs among all interested family members. For more information and answers to any questions you have, please contact Dan Wharton and Marilyn Hoyt at [email protected] or call 914-738-3722 USA. We are looking forward to hearing from you. >Here is an update on the Hoyt DNA study. We now have participation from >Hoyts and Hites and are continuing to get inquiries. This should provide us >with a growing database for comparison of Y genes for all Hoyts and Hites >looking for additional clues on their lineage connections. Still looking for >participation from Haight-surnamed individuals. We also have an excellent >family group rate from the lab doing the analysis of only $99. per person. >For additional information, please contact Marilyn Hoyt and Dan Wharton, >Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected] > > >==== HOYT Mailing List ==== >Hoyt-L Threaded Archives on Rootsweb >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/HOYT > Here are my questions: > Hello, > > [email protected] wrote: > >>To see an example of an excellent >>surname study using "molecular genealogy," visit the following website: >>http://www.duerinck.com/project.html >> > > I'm very interested in this, but have some questions. I'll pose them > on the > HOYT-L as I suspect the answers would be of interest to others. The quotes > are from the cited website. > >> The purpose of the *** Surname DNA Project is, >> therefore, to perform Y chromosome DNA tests on a sampling of men >> with the >> "***" surname (includes all variants), to calculate the Most Recent >> Common >> Ancestor for those surnames with a significant marker match, and to >> create >> a report describing the results. The report will then be available to all >> our clans worldwide. > >> At the conclusion of the project, the summarized >> results (such as: this clan and this clan are related through a common >> ancestor around 1200 A.D.) will be posted on the *** web site for all >> visitors and the participants of the program to view. The >> participants will >> not be identified by name unless they want to be. The DNA >> participants will >> receive more detailed messages and reports as the project progresses. In >> summary, we are testing so that we may relate all of our variant surname >> clans. The paper trail has run out--let science takeover! I am interested >> in finding out if clans are related to each other, and if yes, how >> long ago >> the common ancestor lived. > > > > Will the coordinators of the Hoyt/Haight study do the same? Will the data > be posted in an understandable format on the internet? Will someone > actually > create a *tree* showing the lineage as identified through the DNA and > commonly > used genealogical records such as birth and death records? If this > report/tree > is created, will it be available without cost or will it be sold? If it is > sold, will the price be the same for participants (persons who have paid > to be a part of the project) as for non participants? > >> I would need 2 males from each clan to provide >> samples. > > > Would this also be true? That is, would I have my two sons tested or would > I have my son and my nephew tested? Is someone going to create a tree and > identify whether or not there are enough participants, or too many <grin>? > >> I will require each participant to sign >> a waiver/release and consent form/letter of authorization allowing me to >> see all test results (in order to keep track of what clans are related). >> The analysis itself, after all samples are collected, takes about 5-6 >> weeks. > > > Again, will the Hoyt/Haight coordinators do something similar? Will > participants > receive a report (in English, not *science-talk*) about their own DNA > sample? > Will those reports be any different from the general report? > >> tell me who your direct ancestors were >> (and the place), going back at least 4 generations, if possible. > > > This sounds good to me, I'd want to include commonly used genealogical > records > such as birth and death records as available. The part of me that > loves books > envisions a well documented manuscript, albeit perhaps a matrix dot > printed > copy <grin>. In some cases folks may need to go back 6 or 7 generations, > though. > >> While it is desirable to test 20 individuals >> at once in order to obtain meaningful results, many of those doing >> surname >> DNA projects are getting 5 to 10 participants--the rest will have to >> be tested >> at a later time, then the results compared. > > > How will the Hoyt/Haight coordinators handle this? What time > commitment are > you making? Will you send yearly reports to the participants and will > there > be additional fees for those reports? > > > Will participants be able to use their DNA reports to identify other > family > lines? My husband is a HAIGHT descendant, if we have our son(s) be the DNA > donor(s) then will I be able to someday use this report to help in my own > genealogy (supposing one of my branches ever gets so organized!). > > [email protected] wrote: > >>We also have an excellent >>family group rate from the lab doing the analysis of only $99. per person. >> > > Depending on the answers to my questions, I think this is a most > reasonable > cost. Father's Day is coming up, maybe I'll have a DNA test done for > my husband > ... a great, great, great grandson of Ann Mariah Haight (1814-1855). > > > Terri Rene DaVar-Howard