Judy wrote: <<Actually, that "f" isn't really an "f" in Mafsey. It was just the style of the time in longhand cursive writing.>> <snip> Your comments are greatly appreciated and put the whole subject in proper perspective. It should be clear by now that Massey wasn't ever spelled with an "f" or a "p" but with a different form of "s", Theron Smith.
Actually, that "f" isn't really an "f" in Mafsey. It was just the style of the time in longhand cursive writing. When there was a double "s" in the word, the first "s" was called a "long s" or "leading s". This "leading s" loops up and around and down like the top part of a cursive "f", but if you look closely, you can see that at the bottom the curve loops back to the left (as with the lower part of a cursive "p" or "g") instead of to the right (as with a cursive "f"). The second "s" would be written as a normal "s". But sometimes the second "s" would be written so close to the first "long s" that they looked like a "p" instead of "ss". I have found Massey transcribed as Mafsey and Mapey, so you just have to train your mind to recognize what it should be.... > Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Spellings of Massey > Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:25:13 -0500 > From: "J. Troy Massey" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Concerning Mafsey: > > My understanding was that the spelling of MAFSEY came about due to the > presses of the time when the name was written, substituted an f for an s, > thus that spelling. Then when our people saw that in print, wrote > accordingly BUT they all knew their correct spelling was MASSEY. > >
Also, If you'll examine much of the contemporary literature from the time of the American Revolution to the Civil War, many times the "s" was written (and typed) like the "f," except the cross bar was not written, and on occasion only half of it. I found a William "Maffey" (without the cross bars on the f's) on a published list of patriots who were killed at Concord Bridge, just west of Lexington and Boston, in 1775. I at first dismissed it until someone told me that was an old-fashioned way of printing my name. Sincerely, William (Bill) Massey of Franklin, Tennessee
For variations of handwriting , check out this site: http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html Most of the time if you see "Mapey' it is really Massey. The P stood for ss. Barbara Massey Ferrell http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=barjeanm
Concerning Mafsey: My understanding was that the spelling of MAFSEY came about due to the presses of the time when the name was written, substituted an f for an s, thus that spelling. Then when our people saw that in print, wrote accordingly BUT they all knew their correct spelling was MASSEY. J. Troy Massey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Massey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Spellings of Massey > I can see no reason why Mafey is not a variation of Massey: Mafsey was the > normal way of writing Massey in the early 1800s. > > By the same token, Macey may also well be a variation, although also a name > in its own right. > > For more info, see my web page > > http://www.geocities.com/donaldmasseyuk/masseymore.html > > Donald Massey > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ...and found some "Mafey"...or some such name...on page 238. A cross > > check with Ancestry.com indicated that their researcher felt these were > > Masseys....I have seen all kinds of Massey spellings, but never this far > > from what I expect. >
I can see no reason why Mafey is not a variation of Massey: Mafsey was the normal way of writing Massey in the early 1800s. By the same token, Macey may also well be a variation, although also a name in its own right. For more info, see my web page http://www.geocities.com/donaldmasseyuk/masseymore.html Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- > ...and found some "Mafey"...or some such name...on page 238. A cross > check with Ancestry.com indicated that their researcher felt these were > Masseys....I have seen all kinds of Massey spellings, but never this far > from what I expect.
I have Ida Abiah Massey whose last name on a marriage record was spelled as Mapey. Lady Mary
In Europe (especially Germany) it was customary when a name (or word) had a double s that the symbol was used to signify the double s (i.e Maey). Whether there is any truth to it or not...it is said that it was used in Germany to avoid writing SS which has a reference to the Nazi Germany era. I haven't found this written in stone but I did work in Germany off and on for 29 years between 1957 and 1993 so do have a feel for things German. I have a number of Genealogy links (plus many others) on my home page at http://www.storm.ca/~hpurdy Scroll down to the Genealogy section. Harry >Last night at the local FHC, I was looking in Caswell Co. NC in the 1850 >census, and found some "Mafey"...or some such name... > >If these are real Masseys, it would fit into my history pretty well. > >Anyone have any ideas?
My name is Ann Brown I am descended from Edmund Dutton and Jane (Joan) Minshull. This is through their daughter Agnes who married William Leycester .Their son John Leycester married Elizabeth dau of HAMON MASSEY Alice Leycester married Richard Leigh of High Leigh. Their son John Leigh of Outrngton married and had a son William Leigh of outrington leaving issue Peter Leigh of outrington his son John Leigh of Outrington married Alice Massey dau of William Massey of Massey Green their son John Leigh married Elizabeth daughter of William Rowcroft their dau Elizabeth Leigh married Peter Drinkwater of Massey Green Thelwall their son George married Elizabeth Sutton their son Richard married AnnYewd their son William married Sarah Smith their son John married 1. Ann Jackson their son George married Alice Walton their son Thomas married Mary Moores their son William married Ann Robinson their son Arthur Drinkwater married Mary E. Turner their dau Maud married James Hagan their dau married my father then me!(last two generations unnamed to protect living relatives from identification) Do you have information on this family at all. Would be interested in hearing from you. Kind Regards Ann Brown
Hi all. I am a new member to this list. I am interested in Hamon de Massey and his descendants. in Cheshire. My line comes from Alice Massey daughter of William Massey of Massey Green. Also later in time Massey Green mansion house at Thelwall Cheshire in the 17C So if anyone feels they have a connection at all. I would be interested to hear from you. Kind Regards Ann Brown
Betty wrote: <<Remember at one time in the past people made an "s" that looks like an "f". I've seen legal documents with the letters looking like: Mafsey, Maffey etc.>> That is absolutely correct and is one of the first things you run into when you start reading old handwriting. Actually, the alternate form of "S" you find looks exactly line an "f" except it doesn't have the cross bar. These are bona fida "S"s. Theron Smith.
Hi Keith, Yes, that's possible. Remember at one time in the past people made an "s" that looks like an "f". I've seen legal documents with the letters looking like: Mafsey, Maffey etc. but the most unusual I ran across was Muzzie. Anything that was phonetic and of course, their pronunciation was very important. It was spelled like it sounded. Have fun. Betty ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Keith W. Riley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MASSEY-L] Spellings of Massey Last night at the local FHC, I was looking in Caswell Co. NC in the 1850 census, and found some "Mafey"...or some such name...on page 238. A cross check with Ancestry.com indicated that their researcher felt these were Masseys....I have seen all kinds of Massey spellings, but never this far from what I expect. If these are real Masseys, it would fit into my history pretty well. Anyone have any ideas?
Last night at the local FHC, I was looking in Caswell Co. NC in the 1850 census, and found some "Mafey"...or some such name...on page 238. A cross check with Ancestry.com indicated that their researcher felt these were Masseys....I have seen all kinds of Massey spellings, but never this far from what I expect. If these are real Masseys, it would fit into my history pretty well. Anyone have any ideas?
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Hello Listers I am new to the list and would like to know if there are any of you with connections in India - Royal Engineers in the late 1700's to mid 1800's and then Railway. I am trying to find the father of: Martin Lewin Massey born Agra 28 Jan 1864 and his sisters Elizabeth, Jessie and brothers Alfred and Joseph. Any help and guidance would be appreciated - I am already on the INDIA-L and have made one connection through the above Elizabeth but not found out her father's name. Many thanks Kind regards June East Yorkshire Names: Massey Wallington O'Leary
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I would like to hear from any ALEXANDER, OATES, and YOUNG relatives from the following line: My Grandfather was JOHN ELIJAH "LIGE" ALEXANDER, born 24 Nov 1882 in Polk Co., TX; died of pneumonia on 07 Feb 1921 in Maryneal, TX., and is buried in Decker Cemetery in Maryneal, Nolan Co., TX. His parents were WILLIAM THOMAS "Tom" ALEXANDER and EMMA ELLENDER YOUNG ALEXANDER [daughter of Jasper Newton Young and Margaret Ann Massey]. Tom and Emma Alexander are both buried in Decker Cemetery in Maryneal, Nolan Co., TX. JOHN ELIJAH "Lige" ALEXANDER was married to MINNIE LEE OATES [daughter of Stephen Moses Oates and Margaret Ann Wilson] on Christmas Day, 1907 in Livingston, Polk Co., TX. They had seven children: (1) Notie Irene "Norene" Alexander; (2) Stephen Howard Alexander[died as a baby]; (3) Frances Nellene Alexander; (4) Esther Carl Alexander; (5) Verna Emeline Alexander; (6) Roger Harris Alexander (my Father); and (7) Philip Wilson Alexander. I have a lot of information, but would love to correspond with relatives of these families. Thanks, Thelmarie "Thel" Alexander Curtis Atlanta, GA [email protected]
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I am searching for any info on: Jonathan MASSEY (son of Thomas) B. about 1773 in NC D. unknown in IN?? He married: Francis (Franky) DAVIS on November 2, 1797 in Grainger county TN Francis(Franky) DAVIS (dau of John and Elizabeth (?)DAVIS b.about 1777 in NC d. unknown in IN?? Jonathan and Franky are last found in the Owen county 1850 census taking listed as: Jonathan 77 years old Franky 73 years old both born in NC living in the household with them is: Jane age 26 born KY Lydia age 13 born IN With Lydia's birth that would place them in IN about 1837. The total of children for this couple is seven: Issac born 1807 TN Lucy Ann born about 1809 TN Willis born about 1813 TN Jacob born October 6, 1814 KY Elizabeth born about 1816 KY Jane born about 1824 KY Lydia born about 1837 IN I would like to fill in some of these blanks and some of the "abouts" also find the info on the parents of Jonathan and Francis (DAVIS)MASSEY. Thanks for any help Debbie Jennings