Theron, I do SO much appreciate your very helpful response to my message! It does seem pretty clear that my ggg grandfather Thornton OWENS did marry Rebecca MASSEY. She is shown as Rebecca on Census records and on her youngest child, son Sanford G. OWENS's death certificate her maiden name is given as MASSEY. She and Thornton were both born in South Carolina according to Census and were living in Franklin County, Georgia, in 1850. Hart County was created partly from Franklin County, and Rebecca was with her oldest child, son James in Hart County in a later Census, 1870, I believe, and maybe 1880 as well. (I am not at home right now and don't have my census copies here.) When I get home, I will try to find the other census records you mention. I, too, hope that the DNA project works out, although my DNA obviously cannot be of any help either. I hope the list will receive updates of its progress. Thanks again so much, and I will greatly appreciate any further suggestions or information that you or anyone else can provide regarding Rebecca's ancestry! LouDean

LouDean wrote: <<I have been told that she [Rebecca MASSEY, daughter of Laban Massey and his first wife Mary Carpenter, married my great great great grandfather Thornton OWENS]>> <<I was also told that Rebecca is mentioned in Frank Massey's last book [MSSSEY ADDENDUM]>> That is incorrect. Only sons are shown in this book. From correspondence with other researchers, Judge Massey had unpublished info that shows Laban Massey with a list of 11 named children. Other secondary sources shows two other children and says Laban had at least 18 children. I have seen only one wife named - Esther DOWDLE. With up to 18 children, I'd guess Laban had at least two wives. Up to 8 daughters are shown for him, one of which is Rebecca, and she may have been daughter of a wife before Esther. The data I have shows daughter Rebecca marrying Thorton GAINES. The fact that LouDean has records of a Rebecca Massey who married THORTON Owens makes me think "Gaines" may be incorrect. I can envision a poorly handwriten OWENS being interpreted by an inexperienced researcher as Gaines. So, my best call is that Rebecca Massey Owens is probably a daughter of Laban Massey and a first wife named Mary Carpenter. Placement of Thorton Owens with repsect to Laban Massey in early census records (1820/30/40/50) might help to confirm or reject that tentative conclusion. Regards to all, Theron Smith. P. S. I hope the Massey DNA project materializes. I've seen exciting results from DNA analysis on other families. My own MASSEY connection is through my mother and grandmother, so I can't provide a DNA sample, but I'll be interested in any results.

Hello, My great great great grandfather Thornton OWENS married Rebecca MASSEY. She was born, I believe, around 1806-1808 in South Carolina. She and Thornton lived in Franklin/Hart County, Georgia. I have been told that she was the daughter of Laban Massey and his first wife Mary Carpenter. Laban is said to be the son of Noel Posey Massey and brother of Silas Massey. This all makes some sense, since Silas Massey's grandson married Harriet Nuel Leard, who was a sister of Nancy Leard, wife of Rebecca's son James L. Owens. This shows the families were in the same area, probably knew each other, and I have found that cousins married quite frequently in those days. However, I have not been able to find any proof or evidence that Rebecca was Laban Massey's daughter. I am told that Laban named his sons in his will, but not his daughters. I was also told that Rebecca is mentioned in Frank Massey's last book. I was able to get his first "Massey" books (actually combined into one) by interlibrary loan, but my librarian tells me that no library will part with the last book, The Addendum, I believe it is called. Even so, I do not know if any proof will be in the book, even if it does name Laban as Rebecca's father. So...I am hoping someone on this list has some knowledge of this and can help me. Maybe someone at least has that book and would tell me if Rebecca is mentioned in it, and if so, what it says. Even better, perhaps someone can tell me where I could get a copy of the book. Best of all, perhaps someone can point me toward proof or at least some evidence that Laban is (or is not) Rebecca's father. I would greatly appreciate any information or suggestion regarding the above! Thanks, LouDean Mayes

By my count, there are now four Massey descendants who would like to participate in a Massey DNA Project. I expect there are many more who have not made themselves known yet. What we need now is someone to step up to the plate to serve as administrator of such a project. E. Ray Hill, the administrator of the Hill DNA project, has offered to provide assistence to get it started. Here is a message he recently sent: A Massey Surname DNA project would be great to get started and I will be more than happy to help in any way I can. All you need initially to get the group discount rate from Family Tree DNA is 6 male participants with the Massey surname. You will need to decide who can or will serve as the group administrator. You need someone that knows how to put a website together and maintain it on a regular basis. This isn't a difficult thing to do, once you learn how to do it. You will also need a lot of support from the MASSEY-L list administrator. As a matter of fact, he/she should be involved from the beginning. Also, the 25-marker tests ($169) are much more reliable than the 12-marker tests. Once you get it going, it kind of takes on a life of its own. All I can say is that it has been a most pleasant experience working with our Hill group. To get a better idea of what a DNA project is all about, check out the Hill project at http://www.livingston.net/hilldna/ Is there anyone out there willing to take this on? Charles Massey Chattanooga, TN

I'm willing to participate as a volunteer and as a participant. Charles Knox Massey, III Atlanta, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleonore Crespo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] MASSEY DNA > Hi, was wondering if anyone has started a DNA project on the MASSEY line? If > not, is anyone interested in doing so? We would need at least 6 male Massey > descendants to get a discount at the place that does it, the price, I was > told for the 25 marker DNA is $165.00 per person. Please post to the list if > you are interested or know if such a project is already > underway;thanks,Eleonore > below is what I saw on another surname list, and thought it might be helpful > here: > > "No it is NOT a scam. The projects themselves are > run by volunteers and do not make a dime from them. > They are folks like you and I that give freely of > their time, efforts and talents. They are not commercial > entities, nor do they handle money. All fees are paid > directly to DNA testing service providers. > > The DNA testing service provider you mentioned in the > link http://www.ftdna.com is an extremely reputable, > informative and honestly run company. They have an > excellent FAQ page http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Pay special attention to the section on Privacy, if that > may be an issue for you. STRs are used, not anything > on the DNA chain that can tell so much as your eye color, > propensity to drink, or liklihood of getting a disease. > So... employers, insurance companies and law enforcement > or government will find nothing of use in your test results. > > No blood is involved in the testing. As simple as swabbing > the inside of your cheek, stuffing a Q-Tip type of thing in > a bottle, repeating the process hours later and sending it > off to the lab. Nothing to get squeemish over. > > Kevin Duerinck's site lists some 626 surnames that are > being tested as well as other DNA projects. I note that > he lists Murphy as having a project at FTDNA, however, I > did not see it listed on their list of surname projects. > They may not have sufficient numbers of male participants > to have it register on the list yet. Or there may not > be a Project Manager that has come forward to take this on. > > http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html > > Does it cost to be tested? Yes. However, when one > uses other resources to research their genealogy, > it also costs.... trips to Salt Lake City to the > Library are not free, nor are copies of records, etc. > Participating in the Surname DNA studies may actually > save money for folks that are facing brick walls or > perhaps tracing multiple lines as they are unsure > which ancestors are theirs! > It can keep researchers from barking up the wrong > tree and wasting valuable research time and money > by eliminating, if not confirming, their relationship > to another with proven connections to a particular line. > > I manage 4 DNA lists at Rootsweb: > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > and subscribe to a 5th: > [email protected] > This is the granddaddy of all DNA lists here at > Rootsweb. I recommend it. But ONLY in digest > form as it is a very busy list. :) > > I just wrote an article on Genetic Genealogy that was > targeted for and published in the Clan Stewart Society > in America, Inc. quarterly newsletter, "The Fesse Chequy." Remember that > surnames follow the males -- and they have Y-DNA, so it would > be an all male project comprised of only males born to males > bearing the surname. Ladies, you will have to ask your surnamed brothers, > fathers, uncles or cousins to participate > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/products.html will > give you an idea of cost. However, bear in mind that any that > participate via a Project, will receive a discount that is not > given to individuals. Just looking at the site, I can say that, > at this moment, the 25 marker test is considerably less -- almost > a 30% difference. I would recommend beginning with 25 markers > instead of 12, as there is greater probability of acsertaining > the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MCRA) generation in genealogicaly > useful time. It is possible to have a 12/12 match and find that > the next 13 allelles are too far mutated to have a meaningful > relationship in genealogic time. One will be seeking to connect > with others that have 25/25 or 24/25 matches. > > There is a good site that explains much in simple terms: > http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html > > I had the good fortune of meeting Doug Mumma when his project > was newly established. He is one of the true Pioneers of this > new aspect to genealogical research. His excellent web site will > be found at: > http://www.mumma.org/DNA.htm > > I hope this has been responsive to some of your questions > and I also hope it serves to overcome some skepticism. The use > of DNA in combination with sound science and well documented > genealogy is a most powerful tool." > > > > > >

I'd be willing to participate as well. Charles Knox Massey, III Atlanta, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] MASSEY DNA Test > If anyone out there is willing to become an administrator of a MASSEY DNA > Testing Program, I would like to participate. I am a descendant of Jacob Massey > (c.1760) and Catherine Barrier. Judge Frank Massey traced this line back to > Nicholas Massey of the Isle of Ely but I would like to get more confirmation of > this. > > Charles Massey > Chattanooga, TN >

If anyone out there is willing to become an administrator of a MASSEY DNA Testing Program, I would like to participate. I am a descendant of Jacob Massey (c.1760) and Catherine Barrier. Judge Frank Massey traced this line back to Nicholas Massey of the Isle of Ely but I would like to get more confirmation of this. Charles Massey Chattanooga, TN

Hey! Put me down for a Massey DNA test and also on the direct male ancestry list. Supposedly, I am a direct descendant of Richard1 Massey (the immigrant) of Charles City County, VA in the 1684 time period. Sincerely, William R. (Bill) Massey of Franklin, TN

Hi, was wondering if anyone has started a DNA project on the MASSEY line? If not, is anyone interested in doing so? We would need at least 6 male Massey descendants to get a discount at the place that does it, the price, I was told for the 25 marker DNA is $165.00 per person. Please post to the list if you are interested or know if such a project is already underway;thanks,Eleonore below is what I saw on another surname list, and thought it might be helpful here: "No it is NOT a scam. The projects themselves are run by volunteers and do not make a dime from them. They are folks like you and I that give freely of their time, efforts and talents. They are not commercial entities, nor do they handle money. All fees are paid directly to DNA testing service providers. The DNA testing service provider you mentioned in the link http://www.ftdna.com is an extremely reputable, informative and honestly run company. They have an excellent FAQ page http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html Pay special attention to the section on Privacy, if that may be an issue for you. STRs are used, not anything on the DNA chain that can tell so much as your eye color, propensity to drink, or liklihood of getting a disease. So... employers, insurance companies and law enforcement or government will find nothing of use in your test results. No blood is involved in the testing. As simple as swabbing the inside of your cheek, stuffing a Q-Tip type of thing in a bottle, repeating the process hours later and sending it off to the lab. Nothing to get squeemish over. Kevin Duerinck's site lists some 626 surnames that are being tested as well as other DNA projects. I note that he lists Murphy as having a project at FTDNA, however, I did not see it listed on their list of surname projects. They may not have sufficient numbers of male participants to have it register on the list yet. Or there may not be a Project Manager that has come forward to take this on. http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html Does it cost to be tested? Yes. However, when one uses other resources to research their genealogy, it also costs.... trips to Salt Lake City to the Library are not free, nor are copies of records, etc. Participating in the Surname DNA studies may actually save money for folks that are facing brick walls or perhaps tracing multiple lines as they are unsure which ancestors are theirs! It can keep researchers from barking up the wrong tree and wasting valuable research time and money by eliminating, if not confirming, their relationship to another with proven connections to a particular line. I manage 4 DNA lists at Rootsweb: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] and subscribe to a 5th: [email protected] This is the granddaddy of all DNA lists here at Rootsweb. I recommend it. But ONLY in digest form as it is a very busy list. :) I just wrote an article on Genetic Genealogy that was targeted for and published in the Clan Stewart Society in America, Inc. quarterly newsletter, "The Fesse Chequy." Remember that surnames follow the males -- and they have Y-DNA, so it would be an all male project comprised of only males born to males bearing the surname. Ladies, you will have to ask your surnamed brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins to participate http://www.familytreedna.com/products.html will give you an idea of cost. However, bear in mind that any that participate via a Project, will receive a discount that is not given to individuals. Just looking at the site, I can say that, at this moment, the 25 marker test is considerably less -- almost a 30% difference. I would recommend beginning with 25 markers instead of 12, as there is greater probability of acsertaining the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MCRA) generation in genealogicaly useful time. It is possible to have a 12/12 match and find that the next 13 allelles are too far mutated to have a meaningful relationship in genealogic time. One will be seeking to connect with others that have 25/25 or 24/25 matches. There is a good site that explains much in simple terms: http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html I had the good fortune of meeting Doug Mumma when his project was newly established. He is one of the true Pioneers of this new aspect to genealogical research. His excellent web site will be found at: http://www.mumma.org/DNA.htm I hope this has been responsive to some of your questions and I also hope it serves to overcome some skepticism. The use of DNA in combination with sound science and well documented genealogy is a most powerful tool."

Hello, Never heard this story before. This Jeptha Massie and wife Mary Sowards are my line with my Massie/ Massey.,,,, And with my Meadows too. I would love to be able to see the whole story. Does anyone have it? Thanks, Emma ----- Original Message ----- From: "jbmassie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] Jeptha Massey (Massie) > Jeptha Massie and his wife Mary Sowards did have a large number of children. > This Jeptha, I call (Jeptha #1). He seems to be in every Massie genealogy > list I see. Jeptha #1 was supposed to have been born in Kent County, > Maryland. He moved to western Vir. with his first wife. ( she was perhaps > from the Meadows family ) This story says that while Jeptha#1 and some older > boys were away from the immediate area the cabin was attacked by Indians, > the people killed and the home and fields burned. Jeptha#1, after this, > returned to the Maryland Colony where he married Mary Sowards.After some > time he with Mary and family returned to the area where he again built a > home and lived out his life. I have a list of fifteen who are supposed to be > his children. Three of his sons,Jeptha#2, Moses and Thomas are listed in the > 1820 census in Jackson Co. Ohio. The 1830 census again shows them in that > location.Moses is also shown on the 1825 Jackson Co. tax list. > > I have more info on Jeptha#1 and his children almost all of which is > undocumented. I have stayed closer to Moses Massie in my search as he is in > my line, my G. G. G. Grandfather. > > This is part of a very interesting story and sure in need of documentation. >

Jeptha Massie and his wife Mary Sowards did have a large number of children. This Jeptha, I call (Jeptha #1). He seems to be in every Massie genealogy list I see. Jeptha #1 was supposed to have been born in Kent County, Maryland. He moved to western Vir. with his first wife. ( she was perhaps from the Meadows family ) This story says that while Jeptha#1 and some older boys were away from the immediate area the cabin was attacked by Indians, the people killed and the home and fields burned. Jeptha#1, after this, returned to the Maryland Colony where he married Mary Sowards.After some time he with Mary and family returned to the area where he again built a home and lived out his life. I have a list of fifteen who are supposed to be his children. Three of his sons,Jeptha#2, Moses and Thomas are listed in the 1820 census in Jackson Co. Ohio. The 1830 census again shows them in that location.Moses is also shown on the 1825 Jackson Co. tax list. I have more info on Jeptha#1 and his children almost all of which is undocumented. I have stayed closer to Moses Massie in my search as he is in my line, my G. G. G. Grandfather. This is part of a very interesting story and sure in need of documentation.

G'day Cobbers, Anybody researching the MASSEY surname in Saintfield, County Down, NIR and in Belfast, NIR. Be interested in hearing from you if you are as this is were my MASSEY ancestry stems from. Regards Greg Baldwin - Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia My Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, Eng. BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Kent, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, Eng BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongatai, Wellington, NZ CROALL - Scotland > NZ CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, Eng. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, Eng>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, Eng. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), Eng. REYNOLDS/RUNNALLS - Cornwall, Eng. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON - New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, Eng. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: [email protected] Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html Australian On-Line Surname List: http://www.users.on.net/proformat/ausnames.html Aussie Slang: http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/garden/386/kev.htm Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by VET anti-virus software

I have the following (undocumented) information from another researcher: Jeptha Massie, b. 1779 Greenbrier Co VA [now WV], d. aft 1853 Lawrence Co. OH, m. ca 1805 to Anna Meadows (b. 1788 VA). Jeptha's parents were Jeptha Massie and Mary Sowards. Known children of Jeptha and Anna were: Thomas b. 1806 m. Abigail ___?___ Lanna b 1811 William b. 1820 m. Hannah Corn Jeptha b. 1821 m. Mary Massie Edward Massie m. Nancy ___?___ Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "michelle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] Jeptha Massie > Does anyone have Jeptha Massie in Maryland, Virginia, or Ohio? Looking for any info on the Massie's who came to Southern Ohio. > > Thank you in advance! > > Michelle >

Looking for John Holland Massey born 1856 Ms. married for a second time I think about 1887 to Sarah Jane Burney born 1875 Ms. I know this looks strange but this is what I have found on the census of 1900 in Caddo Parish , La. I really need a confirmation on this marriage and to know whom he was married to first as there are daughters by that marriage. Anna Massey Farris

Does anyone have Jeptha Massie in Maryland, Virginia, or Ohio? Looking for any info on the Massie's who came to Southern Ohio. Thank you in advance! Michelle

Please, I dont mean to impose in this discussion: But, yes, Elizabeth probably married Joseph Massey (1686/91--1760/1), of Prince George's/Brunswick County, VA, about 1730. Joseph had 15 children, 8 by an unknown first wife, and 7 by his widow, Elizabeth, who was literate, unusual for these times; however, there is no record I'm aware of in 18th century Virginia that confirms the family name of Joseph's wife Elizabeth. If there is such a document, I would I'd be very pleased to hear of it. Best regards, Bill Massey Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: MASSEY-D Digest V03 #43

To the Massey List I received a message from Patty as follows. Perhaps I will hear from Ken Jones later. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill and Patty Coleman To: 4livesay Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Joseph Massey & Elizabeth Lee This is from Patty Coleman in Mexico. Sure hope we hear from Theron on this. I'm going to try the LEE list again. At 09:16 AM 8/30/03 -0500, you wrote: To the LIST and Theron Smith I recently found on genforum page 8 under Elizabeth Lee a post from Ken Jones to Patty Coleman as follows: CD 403: Selected US International Marriage Records, 1340-1980. not known for its abundant information, lists the marriage of Joseph Massey, born 1690, Brunswick County, VA, and one Elizabeth Lee, born 1695 (no place given). Marriage date is given as 1730, Virginia. I have tried to e-mail him but my e-mail was returned. I would very much like to read that record for myself. Certainly, if he did not marry Elizabeth Lee until 1730 his children were probably by someone else. I have seen dates for them ranging from 1710 to 1752. To Theron, what is your reason for thinking that neither Elizabeth Lee nor Elizabeth Lanier was his wife? Sarah

<<From: "4livesay" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:16 AM To the LIST and Theron Smith >> I recently found on genforum page 8 under Elizabeth Lee > a post from Ken Jones to Patty Coleman as follows: >> CD 403: Selected US International Marriage Records, 1340-1980. not known for its abundant information, lists the marriage of Joseph Massey, born 1690, Brunswick County, VA, and one Elizabeth Lee, born 1695 (no place given) Marriage date is given as 1730, Virginia. >> I have tried to e-mail him but my e-mail was returned. I would very much like to read that record for myself. >> Certainly, if he did not marry Elizabeth Lee until 1730 his children were probably by someone else. I have seen dates for them ranging from 1710 to 1752.<< >> To Theron, what is your reason for thinking that neither Elizabeth Lee nor Elizabeth Lanier was his wife? Sarah<< Because I have never seen an original source that shows either marriage. Every example I'vr seen that show either Elizabeth as a wife of Joseph is from a secondary source that gives no reference to a original source. CD 403: Selected US International Marriage Records, 1340-1980 that you quote probably gave no source for the marriage date shown. I strongly suspect that its source was just another secondary source which in turn gave no original source. If you fnd out otherwise, I'd love to know. Frankly, I'm not surprised that your e-mail was returned. Regards to all, Theron Smith.

To the LIST and Theron Smith I recently found on genforum page 8 under Elizabeth Lee a post from Ken Jones to Patty Coleman as follows: CD 403: Selected US International Marriage Records, 1340-1980. not known for its abundant information, lists the marriage of Joseph Massey, born 1690, Brunswick County, VA, and one Elizabeth Lee, born 1695 (no place given). Marriage date is given as 1730, Virginia. I have tried to e-mail him but my e-mail was returned. I would very much like to read that record for myself. Certainly, if he did not marry Elizabeth Lee until 1730 his children were probably by someone else. I have seen dates for them ranging from 1710 to 1752. To Theron, what is your reason for thinking that neither Elizabeth Lee nor Elizabeth Lanier was his wife? Sarah

Sarah--Were there any printers in your line--Any one migrate north--Chester Co Pa..--Philadelphia---Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "4livesay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] Joseph > I seem to have waked up the LIST. > > I am looking for informtion about Joseph Massey > b Brunswick Co VA somewhere around 1690. > He m Elizabeth Lanier or Elizabeth Lee or > maybe both. Or maybe it was another Joseph > that m one of them. Everyone seems to have > different dates for birthdays, marriages, etc. > > Is anyone on this LIST researching this Joseph > Massey. If not, I'll just let you go back to sleep. > > Thanks > Sarah > >