Mary Massey, dau of Richard Massey and Mary Alsup is not of my line; at least, I haven't run across them to date in my research. However, I do remember seeing them in the Family Trees section of Ancestry.com. Pat Russell

Vonnie, The only place I am aware that has the Massey books is the Fort Worth TX Public Library. The books can still be purchased from the grandson of Judge Frank Massey for $100.00 for a set of three books. Pat Russell

John H. Vincent married Anna Massee Feb. 16, 1819 in Roane County, TN. She was born about 1795 in VA. He died March 1850 in Pulaski Co. MO., the record is under John Vinson. His widows name was Anna. Does anyone know who Anna is?? Reba in Oklahoma

I AM THE GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER OF CAL MASSEY FATHER OF CHARLIE AMOS MASSEY FROM PATRICK COUNTY, VA. HE MARRIED 2 TIMES BUT MY LINE IS WITH HIS FIRST WIFE MARY MIDKIFF. I KNOW MY GRANDFATHER HAS SEVERAL SIBLINGS, JOHN, DOLLY, ADA. PEAR, LETCHER THERE WAS SAID THAT CAL HAD ABOUT 13 CHILDREN. I WENT TO STUART & GOT MARRIAGE BOND OF BOTH CAL'S FIRST MARRIAGE & CHARLIE'S MARRIAGE TO SARAH JANE JUSTICE DAUGHTER OF GEORGE F. JUSTICE & LILLIE PRINCESS FAIN (AN AMERICAN INDIAN).BUT THERE WAS LITTLE ELSE TO GO ON BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT LOOKING UP LAND DEEDS ETC. IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ON MASSEY, JUSTICE, FAIN, MIDKIFF FROM PATRICK COUNTY VA PLEASE SEND ME ANY LEAD. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: MASSEY-D Digest V04 #3 >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:00:22 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >MASSEY-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 3 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MASSEY-L] Earliest Masseys in [[email protected]] > #2 Re: [MASSEY-L] Massey - Giles Co T [[email protected]] > #3 Re: [MASSEY-L] Massey - Giles Co T ["Theron L.Smith" ><[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from MASSEY-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:50:19 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Earliest Masseys in the US >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Theron, > >Thanks for the input. I have no information as yet except the Judge's >book. >I cannot at this time substantiate that Jordan Massey is the father of >Adolphus Massey, my ggrandfather. I have just begun working on my Massey >genealogy >and appreciate all the information I can get. > >Pat Russell > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:26:02 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Massey - Giles Co TN >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Michelle, > >Neither my Russell or Massey are connected to Ohio. The only connection >between the surnames is that my Russell father married my Massey mother. > >By the way, I noticed a Jeptha Massey on Ancestry.com under Family Trees. >I >cannot vouch for the accuracy, but his father was John Massey b. 1720 and >his >mother was Sarah Strong. Jeptha married Mary Sowards and 13 children are >listed: >Lana, Mary, Hanna, Robert, Moses, Jeptha Jr., Thomas, Alexander, Reuben, >Abigail, William, Henry and Jonathan. You may already know this, but I >thought I >would post it anyway. > >Pat Russell > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:35:53 -0600 >From: "Theron L.Smith" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Massey - Giles Co TN >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Pat wrote: >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:26 PM > >> By the way, I noticed a Jeptha Massey on Ancestry.com under Family >Trees. >I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but his father was John Massey b. 1720 >and his mother was Sarah Strong. Jeptha married Mary Sowards and 13 >children are > listed: Lana, Mary, Hanna, Robert, Moses, Jeptha Jr., Thomas, Alexander, >Reuben, Abigail, William, Henry and Jonathan. You may already know this, >but I thought I would post it anyway.<< > >FWIW, Judge Massey shows this family as being of the Nicholas Massey of >Maryland branch. >Theron Smith _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx

Pat wrote: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:26 PM >> By the way, I noticed a Jeptha Massey on Ancestry.com under Family Trees. I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but his father was John Massey b. 1720 and his mother was Sarah Strong. Jeptha married Mary Sowards and 13 children are listed: Lana, Mary, Hanna, Robert, Moses, Jeptha Jr., Thomas, Alexander, Reuben, Abigail, William, Henry and Jonathan. You may already know this, but I thought I would post it anyway.<< FWIW, Judge Massey shows this family as being of the Nicholas Massey of Maryland branch. Theron Smith

Michelle, Neither my Russell or Massey are connected to Ohio. The only connection between the surnames is that my Russell father married my Massey mother. By the way, I noticed a Jeptha Massey on Ancestry.com under Family Trees. I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but his father was John Massey b. 1720 and his mother was Sarah Strong. Jeptha married Mary Sowards and 13 children are listed: Lana, Mary, Hanna, Robert, Moses, Jeptha Jr., Thomas, Alexander, Reuben, Abigail, William, Henry and Jonathan. You may already know this, but I thought I would post it anyway. Pat Russell

Theron, Thanks for the input. I have no information as yet except the Judge's book. I cannot at this time substantiate that Jordan Massey is the father of Adolphus Massey, my ggrandfather. I have just begun working on my Massey genealogy and appreciate all the information I can get. Pat Russell

Pat wrote 9 Jan 2004: <<Subject: Re: [MASSEY-L] Massey - Giles Co TN --------------------------- GGGfather Jordan Massey b. 1765 NC d. ??? GGGGfather John Massey b. 1745 VA d. 1837 SC [John (3) GGGGGfather Joseph Massey b. 1700 ?? d. 1760 VA [Joseph (2)] GGGGGGfather John Massey b. 1645 VA d. 1720 ?? GGGGGGGfather John Massey b. 1616 UK d. ???? VA Note 1: John Massey b. 1616 in England came to America at age 20 and immigrated to Shirley 100 Colony. About 1644, he was sent to Old Fort Henry VA to help protect the settlers from the Indians.>> ------------------------- Although published in Judge Frank Massey's ADDENDUM, most if not all the information quoted above has never been substatiated and much of it is just flatly incorrect. I need to add that I knew Judge Massey well and I greatly appreciate and admire the many contributions he made to Massey genealogy for the many Massey branches in the US. Much of the data in his books are correct and cannot be found in any other book. When he wasn't sure of a connection, he would typically append the phrase "BY HYPOTHOSIS" to warn the reader that more research was needed to validate his hypothesis. But time ran out for Judge Massey before he was able to take another look as his reasons for including the two earliest Johns. William Massey's MASSEY GENEALOGY 2000 presents a good discussion regarding the fallacy of placing the two earliest Johns as ancestors of Hezekiah(2), Joseph(2), and Richard(2). Also, more research is needed before we can validly place Jordan Massey as son of John son of Joseph (2.) I made a small contribution a few months ago to placing some of the Masseys of Giles Co., TN, but this didn't include the ones mentioned by Jennifer. I hope to review her case in the next few days. There may have been as many as three DIFFERENT Massey families in the Giles Co. area. The ones I worked on appear to be from John (4) Massey and Winney Daniel of Lincoln Co., NC. John (4) was a grandson of Hezekiah(2) Massey, a brother of Joseph (2) above. Regards to all, Theron Smith 7-great grandson of Richard (2) Massey

Pat wrote January 09, 2004: > Michelle, It's Joseph Massey b. 1700 and the data I have on him shows 14 children: Thomas, William, James, John, Joseph, Sarah, Amy, ???, ???, ???, ???, ???, Betty, ??? So far, I have not encountered a Jeptha Massey.< I didn't see Michelle's query. William W. Massey's recent book MASSEY GENEALOGY 2000 shows William (2) Massey born about 1686 to 1691 with two wives (unknown and Elizabeth -----) and the names of 15 chiildren: (1) John, Hezekiah, Joseph, Amy, Rebecca, Agnes, Mary, and Sarah (wife #1) (2) William, Thomas, James, Winfreth, Lucy, Elizabeth and Francis or Frances. (wife #2) Regards to all, Theron Smith

Michelle, It's Joseph Massey b. 1700 and the data I have on him shows 14 children: Thomas William James John Joseph Sarah Amy ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Betty ??? So far, I have not encountered a Jeptha Massey. Pat Russell

Ron, I will be glad to share what I have. Here's a summary: Mother Ruby G. Massey b. 1910 TX d. 1996 TX Gfather Samuel D. Massey b. 1868 TN d. 1957 TX GGfather Adolphus N. Massey b. 1831 NC d. 1886 TX GGGfather Jordan Massey b. 1765 NC d. ??? GGGGfather John Massey b. 1745 VA d. 1837 SC GGGGGfather Joseph Massey b. 1700 ?? d. 1760 VA GGGGGGfather John Massey b. 1645 VA d. 1720 ?? GGGGGGGfather John Massey b. 1616 UK d. ???? VA Note 1: John Massey b. 1616 in England came to America at age 20 and immigrated to Shirley 100 Colony. About 1644, he was sent to Old Fort Henry VA to help protect the settlers from the Indians. Note 2: From Jordan on back I am at present relying on Judge Massey's book. Adolphus, his wife Margaret and most of their children and their families are buried in Fannin Co TX. I have more information if you want. This is just to give you a sample. I have not put my Massey family in Family Tree Maker yet, so I can't send you a GEDCOM. Pat Russell

Jennifer, My Mother was a Massey and I am related to the 1870 Giles Co TN Masseys.  Adolphus Massey was my ggrandfather, my grandfather being Samuel D. Massey, age 2 in the 1870 Giles Co TN census.  There are 17 Masseys listed in Giles Co TN in 1870 and all are related back through Jordan Massey b. 1765 NC (my gggrandfather).  I have not found any connection to E. J. Massey, but I have only begun my Massey research.  I will keep E. J. in mind.  There is a set of Massey books compiled by Judge Frank Massey of Ft. Worth TX in the 1970's and is supposed to include all the Masseys in the US and his descendants back to approximately 1200 in France (Mascy, who came to England during the Normandy invasion).  I have not read them yet, but plan to in the future. Pat Russell Hurst TX

I have been trying for a few years now to tie my Massey line of Giles Co. TN/Lauderdale Co. AL into the other Massey families that resided there. I always came up short because I either lacked more information or my names were incorrect. However, I have recently found new info and hope that someone can shed some long overdue light on the following: >From the census of 1860 Lauderdale Co. AL, Florence, Twp 2, p. 11 ED: June 7 Mrs. Patience Massey age 49, female, born SC Ameitha Owens age 25, female, born TN Edmond J Massey, age 17, male, born TN Patience E. Owens, age 8, female, born TN Lodusty Owens, age 7, female, born TN Redden B Owens, age 5, male, born AL Sarah J Owens, age 1, female, born AL [The next family is (HOH) Richard Massey. Some relation to mine I'm sure. But how?] Also.... 1870 Giles Co. TN District 5 Pulaski Page 80 ( listed as "Murry" on census) Massey, E. J 27 M W Ala Nancy 29 F W Ala Rutha 8 F W Ala Nancy 4 F W Tenn Harrison 11\12 M W Tenn Parthena 71 F W S Carolina [WHO IS THIS?] Oyens, Lodusta 19 F W Tenn Oyens Curtis 27 M W Arkansas Oyens, Patience 21 F W Tenn Apparently the Owens and Massey family were either related or close friends for years. Any help would be great. Thank you, Jennifer Massey-Schwartz

FYI Happy Family Hunting, Kemis Massey CC - Muscogee and Chattahoochee Counties, GA Researching: DUKE, EVANS, HICKEY, MAYS, ROSAMOND, SONGER, and CAMP for me Researching: BROOKS, CHAMBERS, MASSEY, FOUNTAIN, and SMITH for my hubbie and CLAPP Factory Cemetery in Columbus, GA for preservation purposes -----------------forwarded message------------------- Firwarded from what I received. The original author is unknown, however, permission was, apparently, freely given to distribute the same. -----------------forwarded message------------------- One of the top stories in 2003 in this newsletter was the arrest of Elias Abodeely, a 23-year-old in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, who ran a string of pseudo genealogy sites. His arrest didn't seem to deter him: 2004 has started off with a rash of the same advertising. For those who missed it, let's briefly recap this scam. The sites involved included GenSeeker.com, GenSeekers.com, genealogydevelopments.com, familydiscovery.com, genealogyfinders.net, genlocator.com, genealogy-express.com, and probably many others. Abodeely would send out spam mail from one site, then collect money until the complaints mounted, and his site eventually would be shut down by the hosting service. A week or two later he would appear with a new name and a new site on a different hosting service conducting essentially the same business. To access his sites, the hapless buyer paid $40 to $60 (the exact amount varied from time to time). None of these sites contained any genealogy information; they simply had pointers to free sites where information could be found. In other words, the buyer paid $40 to $60 to access something that was already available free of charge. Abodeely eventually ran into lots of legal difficulties. On August 1, 2003, he was arrested in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on felony charges of first-degree theft, money laundering, and ongoing criminal activity. He was released later that day, and a court appearance on those charges still has not yet been scheduled. You can read about Abodeely's arrest in a genealogy newsletter at: http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0331.htm, and in the Des Moines register at http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788998/21905604.html and at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF 8&q=elias+abodeely+arrested&btnG=Google+Search. His arrest did not slow Abodeely very much. A month later he appeared selling "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks under the name GenealogyTechs.com. That site actually was registered to Andrew Abodeely. I obtained one of these "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks and wrote about it in detail in the September 29, 2003 Plus Edition of this newsletter. GenealogyTechs.com was shut down the day after my article was published. Things have been quiet for the past three months, but on January 2, 2004, a number of newsletter readers reported receiving some fishy-looking spam mail messages. In fact, the messages appear to be word-for-word the same as the old ads for "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks sent earlier from GenealogyTechs.com - except that the new ads are coming from GenealogyTechs.net. That's right: the only difference is the previously shut down dot-COM is now replaced by a newly-registered dot-NET. A quick check of the WHOIS information shows that Genealogytechs.net is registered to the same address as GenealogyTechs.com: 1013 Agate Street, Suite B, San Diego, CA 92109, the business address of Andrew Abodeely. That is also the same address that ships the worthless "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks. In short, the Abodeelys seem to have reappeared after a three-month hiatus. Elias Abodeely's earlier arrest for felonies doesn't seem to have fazed either of the Abodeelys at all. At the time these words are being written, http://www.genealogytechs.net is up and running and looks almost identical to the previously shut down http://www.genealogytechs.com. It is also interesting to note that the new site is like the old one in several respects, especially in that it cannot handle credit cards. Instead, the buyer is suckered into paying by an "e-check" that extracts money directly from the buyer's checking account with no credit card involved. Beware! This is one method by which the earlier sites allegedly extracted money time and again from a buyer's checking accounts! Several buyers thought they paid once but, after examining their end-of-month checking account statements, found that they had been charged time and again without permission. That is one of the actions that led to Elias Abodeely's arrest. Why would a company not offer payment by credit card? That is extremely rare in the online world. The answer is simple: the owner's credit rating is so poor that he cannot obtain the merchant account required to be able to accept credit cards. In this case, he cannot even obtain a PayPal account, which is easy for mostpeople to obtain. No credit card service will give a merchant account to someone awaiting trial on charges of money laundering by using credit cards! Without access to a credit card merchant account, the Web site owner is forced to resort to online checks, a risky method for any buyer considering an online purchase. Remember that purchases made online with VISA, MasterCard or American Express are fully insured against fraud by the credit card companies. If you get "ripped off" by a shady merchant when using a credit card, the credit card companies will immediately refund all of your money and then will pursue resolution with the merchant. PayPal transactions are also fully insured in the same manner. However, if you pay by check, you have no such protection. That is true both for paper checks as well as for "e-checks." You receive only whatever insurance your local bank provides. Sadly, most banks provide no protection at all against fraudulent purchases made with a check or with a debit card. Send a check to a con artist? You lose. Any time you see a Web site offering something for sale and not accepting credit cards, ask yourself, "Why does this merchant not accept credit cards? Not even via PayPal?" Most of the time, it is because that merchant has severe financial problems. Then ask yourself if you really want to do business with such a merchant. If you receive a spam mail from GenealogyTechs.net or any similar-sounding scam, please forward it to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at [email protected] I suspect they have an interest in the "business activities" of this person, who is awaiting a court appearance after being arrested by that department. Please feel free to also enclose a copy of this article. You can read more about the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at http://www.cedar-rapids.org/police/financial_crimes.asp. Please feel free to also forward this article to other genealogists, newsgroups, mailing lists, and anywhere else you feel is appropriate.

New Year's greetings from Mexico. Hope 2004 will be a great year for our research. Please contact me if you have information about ELEANOR MASSEY who married JOHN WASHINGTON. Thank you, Patty Register Coleman, descendent of RICHARD MASSEY, JOSEPH MASSEY, SARAH MASSEY AVENT. I haven't yet given up on finding the wives of JOSEPH MASSEY of Brunswick Co. VA.

hi I'm looking for any information on Crum, Jones, Ratliff, Wood, Hicks, in Floyd County Kentucky

Hi Massey researchers, just a reminder that we have a "Massey DNA Project" which is at http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~mandaley/MasseyDNA.html and wouldn't it be a nice Christmas present for one of the 'male' Massey relatives in your family to receive a DNA kit from you? We are always seeking new DNA donors for all spellings of the Massey/Massie name;Happy Holidays,Eleonore

Hello! I'm very new at this but extremely interested in tracing my ancestry. I have yet to find any information that is pertinent to me, though. My name is Amanda Massey, born 1/4/1975 in Kettering, OH. My grandfather is James Redman Massey of Franklin, OH and my father is James Gary Massey, also of the Miami Valley area in Ohio but that's as far as I'm able go with it! Anyone out there working on Massey tree from the Ohio or Kentucky area?

To all of our British cousins, please indicate the County, Region and Kingdom in which your Massey relatives lived. Most of us in the USA do not readily identify the names and location of the places you mention, i.e., that Chester is in Cheshire, England; that Ruabon, Bangor-is-y-coed, Erbistock, and Denbigh, Denbighshire are in the Clwyd Region of North Eastern, Wales, etc. Thanks for understanding and assisting us in locating our ancestors from across the Atlantic. Cordially, Thelmarie Alexander Curtis [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Massey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: [MASSEY-L] William MASSEY born c1796 (Chester?), married 1818 Wrexham. > William, my gt gt grandfather, has been my brickwall for about six years. > > In the 1851 and 1861 Censuses, he showed his birthplace as Chester, but I > have tried all the city parishes and several close by without success. > > >From the naming sequence of his children, his parents may have been John and > Mary: a couple of this name had a daughter Charlotte baptised in Ruabon > while living at Hafod, but I can not find their marriage in the Hayes Index > or the Merrill index. I can not find Charlotte in later life, either > marrying or being buried in Clwyd or Cheshire border parishes. > > William lived succesively in Bangor Isycoed, Erbistock, Moreton Below, > Gyfelia, Pentre Coed (Salop) and Rhosymadoc (all except Pentre Coed in > Denbighshire or Flintshire, having children baptised in the first three > parishes listed, and died in Ruabon in 1870. > > If anyone has a spare William fitting any of these parameters, please let me > know! > > Donald Massey > > >

William, my gt gt grandfather, has been my brickwall for about six years. In the 1851 and 1861 Censuses, he showed his birthplace as Chester, but I have tried all the city parishes and several close by without success. >From the naming sequence of his children, his parents may have been John and Mary: a couple of this name had a daughter Charlotte baptised in Ruabon while living at Hafod, but I can not find their marriage in the Hayes Index or the Merrill index. I can not find Charlotte in later life, either marrying or being buried in Clwyd or Cheshire border parishes. William lived succesively in Bangor Isycoed, Erbistock, Moreton Below, Gyfelia, Pentre Coed (Salop) and Rhosymadoc (all except Pentre Coed in Denbighshire or Flintshire, having children baptised in the first three parishes listed, and died in Ruabon in 1870. If anyone has a spare William fitting any of these parameters, please let me know! Donald Massey