One of the other lists I am on just initiated a "Roll Call" where everyone on the list wrote in and listed their line of direct descent to their oldest Martin ancestor. We discovered the most amazing links that we did not know about before because there are so many of us that observe but don't write in. On the other list everyone signs their name in the format I am going to sign mine, and it helps us identify who we are and which links we are attached to. Think this is worth a try? Here goes! List your direct line of descent with birth dates as far as you know for sure, and then continue using question marks for things you THINK or BELIEVE to be the case. Margaret Anne Beltz Burrows (Texas 1953) + Daniel Wayne Burrows (Texas 1950) Marjorie Berneice Morris (Wyoming 1928) + Robert Leland Beltz (California 1927) Margaret Agnes Baker (South Dakota 1907) + Oral Morris Missouri 1905) Lucy Ann Overstreet (Missouri 1868) + Jasper Morris (Jackson Co. Kentucky 1858) John Thomas Overstreet (Henry Co. Indiana 1850) + ALICE MARINDA MARTIN (Illinois 1849) I HAVE A BRICK WALL HERE but know from letters that Alice Marinda is related to: ? Lewis Hiram Martin Sr.(Logan Kentucky 1791) = Ales Gramling (Viginia about 1795) Probably his grandaughter by his son Lewis Jr.(1827) + ? or his son Jeremiah (1832) +? John Martin (Wilkes Co North Caroline about 1754) +Isabella (Sarah) Scott Nelson Kentucky ?1766) Lets see if we can turn up some new info? Margaret Beltz Burrows<Marjorie Berneice Morris Beltz<Oral Morris<Lucy ANN Overstreet< Alice Marinda Martin (Illinois 1849)<?<Lewis Hiram Martin Sr. (Kentucky 1791)<John Martin(Logan North Carolina 1754) )