Marsha, Thanks very much for your reply. This is very interesting. I have been searching for the origins of my Williams line for at least ten years. When I found out that my DNA matched the Martins that sent me down a new road. But, evidently, the Williams and the Martins have been mixed up together for a long time. Even to this day, these two families live together in Giles County, VA. I would be interested to know the children of John Martin and Catherine Williams. Also, who are the parents of this John Martin? How is he related to the William Martin who married Susanna Meador in Bedford in 1782? And, of course, the big question-- how did my James Williams, b. 1793, get the Martin male line DNA? We are leaving later today for a camping trip, so I will be away from the computer until Sunday evening. Thanks very much, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <mosesm@earthlink.net> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] Martin & Williams in Bedford Co., VA Randy, I look at the Martins in Bedford County, Va a little bit in the time frame that you are talking about. My husband descends from the John Martin and Catherine Williams married in 1817 with James Williams, surety. > HInshaw says bond are 29th in his volume VI James Williams Surety > married by John Ayers on 30 Jan 1817. I have a list of children that I believe belong to this family if you would want the names. My data base says: > John had lived in Bedford Co VA. In 1838 he purchased 100A in > Montgomery Co VA on the north > fork of the Roanoke River. > > John is living in Archibald and Nancy’s home in the census of 1870 so > probably his wife has died. He is 80 years old at that time which also > matches up with the birth date that I have. Nancy is one of John and Catherine's daughters. Archibald is Archibald Moses. He and Nancy are actually living on land that had originally belonged to John Martin. I believe that Nancy and Archibald had lived close to Nancy's parents for all of their married life and that they continued to care for John until his death. My data base also says: > > James Williams is listed as surety on the marriage bonds according to > Hinshaw’s Volume VI . Baley Martin and Elizabeth Williams have > marriage bonds 1824, 9, 1. John Martin is surety and consent is given > by James Williams . Marriage takes place Sept 5. 1824 by John Ayers. I have put James Williams in as father for Catherine Williams ....probably based on the fact that he gives consent on this marriage. I have done very little more research on this....but am happy to share anything that I have. Marsha in WV Randy Williams wrote: >Hello, >My name is Randy Williams but my yDNA matches Group 8 in the Martin DNA >project. The Williams and Martins were in Bedford County, VA in the late >1700's. William Martin, b. 1760, married Susanna Meador in Bedford in 1782. >My earliest known Williams ancestor is James Williams, b. 1793. He was >supposedly the son of a Catherine Williams and an unknown Indian father. >But, as I mentioned, my yDNA matches these Martins. > >On the same page in the Bedford marriage records is a John Martin who >married Catherine Williams in 1817, with James Williams, surety. But my >James Williams was born in 1793. I have matched with only one other >Williams and he descends from a John Williams, b. 1795, who ended up in >Floyd County, KY. William Martin, b. 1760, also ended up in Floyd County, >KY. Also on the same page in the marriage records is a Bailey Martin who >marries Elizabeth Williams in 1824 with the consent of James Williams. > >My James Williams, b. 1793, married Temperance Lane and lived most all his >life in what is now Scott County, Virginia. This James Williams named one >of his sons Rial Martin Williams. There was a Mitchell Martin who was born >in Goochland, VA in the 1760's who named a son Rial Martin. > >Is there anyone who knows these lines and can shed any light on this? I >welcome all theories or scenarios. > >Thanks, >Randy Williams >Blacksburg, Virginia >540-239-6035 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM