Marilyn thanks so much for taking the time to write me about our family. I can add some to what you sent and correct one very important thing. if it is also your family. as well as welcome a cousin. I have two of Menams children as well as his wifes name, and quite a few of Obediahs children. Gedcoms often contain errors..........but I was glad to know about Joel is he your line?. Hoping to hear from you Fran