For Carolyn Pace.... Carolyn I understand your frustration with the Hawkins name. This particular middle name simply pops up in a family with pretty repetetive naming patterns. There are no other Hawkins' to be found in this family. I do know that it was common to name children with a middle name that was from their county of birth. So maybe this is a possibility. Or maybe the Bentley/Martins were friends of the Hawkins'. Sometimes middle names were also given to boys to honor their father's military commanders. Most of these men fought in the revolutionary war, so that might be a possibility as well. I just sent a message to Barbara Samuels and RedfanJan that you might want to look at. It is really long, but in it, is a discussion of the Bently famly. This William Hawkins Martin was the son of Alice Bentley Martin. The Bentley's were in South Carolina at one time. So, who knows there might be a connection. I will certainly keep your information and let me know if anything else pops up. I will do the same. Good hunting! Maggie

Jon, Attachment can not send on Rootsweb email site Janet -------Original Message------- From: Jon Martin Date: 02/10/07 23:06:25 To: martin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR This is an interesting situtation! I also have several emails from the list that Outlook Express shows a paper clip next to the email. (This indicates an attachment) HOWEVER, there is no attachment that can be saved. The one thing that is common between the five emails is that they all contain something like the following: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ________________________________________________________________ It is possible that this is causing the false attachment indication (paper clip) The 5 emails were from: Michael Martin Thelma Martin Cathy Wood LLoyd York (2) Peggy is this what you are seeing? Jon Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an > attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it > to know what > is going on. > Julia > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, > BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: > I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. > I don't understand how one person could. > Bev Martin Crowell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2736 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 9:04 PM .

I've been in touch with listowners manager and she states that these icons are harmless and is created by each individual's email program.... we all know they cannot be attachments coming thru rootsweb. I didn't start seeing these icons until I upgraded to IE 7 which still has bugs. I get them via yahoo groups mails also Joyce Gaston Reece

What we have here is more of ancestry's greed Rootsweb was supposed to be free and no advertising but since ancestry bought rootsweb we are seeing more and more commercial intrusions Thank You chuck administrator of the class and lape mailing lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > Many lists have been doing that since they changed to the mailman system. I > don't know why either but they seem to be harmless > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Martin" <jon@jmartinfamily.com> > To: <martin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > > > This is an interesting situtation! > > > > I also have several emails from the list that Outlook Express shows a > > paper > > clip next to the email. > > (This indicates an attachment) > > > > HOWEVER, there is no attachment that can be saved. > > > > The one thing that is common between the five emails is that they all > > contain something like the following: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people > > you know > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > It is possible that this is causing the false attachment indication (paper > > clip) > > > > The 5 emails were from: > > > > Michael Martin > > Thelma Martin > > Cathy Wood > > LLoyd York (2) > > > > Peggy is this what you are seeing? > > > > Jon Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> > > To: <martin@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > > > > >> Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an > >> attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it > >> to know what > >> is going on. > >> Julia > >> > >> In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, > >> BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: > >> I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. > >> I don't understand how one person could. > >> Bev Martin Crowell > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > > It has removed 2736 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 > > 9:15 PM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I did not attach anything to my email. Perhaps this is something MSN is doing to advertize their product. Thelma Martin _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701

I am looking for anyone who has any information on this Family? They are living in Virginia City, Nevada on the 1880 census: Timothy Martin born about. 1841 in Ireland Miner Catherine Martin born about 1843 in Ireland Jeremiah Martin born about 1860 in the state of Maine Miner John Martin born about 1862 in the state of Maine Laborer * Henry Martin born about 1868 in the state of California Timothy Martin born about 1870 in the state of California Katie Martin born about 1872 in the state of California Mary Martin born about 1872 in the state of California Maybe twins Nellie Martin born about 1876 in the state of Nevada Annie Martin born about 1878/79 in the state of Nevada Found them through Family search web site. NA film Number: T9_0759 Page number: 227C I think that Henry Martin is the Martin I have been looking for. Sully

Many lists have been doing that since they changed to the mailman system. I don't know why either but they seem to be harmless Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Martin" <jon@jmartinfamily.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > This is an interesting situtation! > > I also have several emails from the list that Outlook Express shows a > paper > clip next to the email. > (This indicates an attachment) > > HOWEVER, there is no attachment that can be saved. > > The one thing that is common between the five emails is that they all > contain something like the following: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people > you know > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 > ________________________________________________________________ > > It is possible that this is causing the false attachment indication (paper > clip) > > The 5 emails were from: > > Michael Martin > Thelma Martin > Cathy Wood > LLoyd York (2) > > Peggy is this what you are seeing? > > Jon Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> > To: <martin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > >> Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an >> attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it >> to know what >> is going on. >> Julia >> >> In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, >> BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: >> I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. >> I don't understand how one person could. >> Bev Martin Crowell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 2736 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 > 9:15 PM >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Martin" <jon@jmartinfamily.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > The 5 emails were from: > > Michael Martin > Thelma Martin > Cathy Wood > LLoyd York (2) > > Peggy is this what you are seeing? > > Jon Martin > These were the e-mails. However, I did not try to open any of the attachments. I did not know of they contained a virus. Peggy Chastain Craft

I have sent nothing with an attachment, as far as I am concerned, However there is something in some of these (OR other news letters) that causes my machine to act up. I find there is no Virisis, or Riders that I or my soft ware can find in any of them. Just a machine don't like some of them. Lloyd York >From: "Jon Martin" <jon@jmartinfamily.com> >Reply-To: martin@rootsweb.com >To: <martin@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR >Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:50:48 -0800 > >This is an interesting situtation! > >I also have several emails from the list that Outlook Express shows a paper >clip next to the email. >(This indicates an attachment) > >HOWEVER, there is no attachment that can be saved. > >The one thing that is common between the five emails is that they all >contain something like the following: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people >you know >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 >________________________________________________________________ > >It is possible that this is causing the false attachment indication (paper >clip) > >The 5 emails were from: > >Michael Martin >Thelma Martin >Cathy Wood >LLoyd York (2) > >Peggy is this what you are seeing? > >Jon Martin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> >To: <martin@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:45 PM >Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > > > Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an > > attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it > > to know what > > is going on. > > Julia > > > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, > > BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: > > I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. > > I don't understand how one person could. > > Bev Martin Crowell > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 2736 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG

Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it to know what is going on. Julia In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. I don't understand how one person could. Bev Martin Crowell

I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. I don't understand how one person could. Bev Martin Crowell In a message dated 2/10/2007 7:53:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, pccraft@bellsouth.net writes: List Administrator: I sent an e-mail asking that you check out attachments being sent on this list. I have just received another e-mail with an attachment. None of the other lists I am a member of have this problem. The e-mail with attachment was sent by Michael Martin and the subject was Samuel of Wethersfield CT. Please check this out. Thank you. Peggy Chastain Craft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Chastain Craft" <pccraft@bellsouth.net> To: <MARTIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: [MARTIN] ATTACHMENTS > List Administrator. > > For several days I have been receiving e-mails on this list with > attachments. My understanding was that no attachments were allowed. > Please > check this out. > > Thank you. > > Peggy C. Craft > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List Administrator: I sent an e-mail asking that you check out attachments being sent on this list. I have just received another e-mail with an attachment. None of the other lists I am a member of have this problem. The e-mail with attachment was sent by Michael Martin and the subject was Samuel of Wethersfield CT. Please check this out. Thank you. Peggy Chastain Craft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Chastain Craft" <pccraft@bellsouth.net> To: <MARTIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: [MARTIN] ATTACHMENTS > List Administrator. > > For several days I have been receiving e-mails on this list with > attachments. My understanding was that no attachments were allowed. > Please > check this out. > > Thank you. > > Peggy C. Craft > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is an interesting situtation! I also have several emails from the list that Outlook Express shows a paper clip next to the email. (This indicates an attachment) HOWEVER, there is no attachment that can be saved. The one thing that is common between the five emails is that they all contain something like the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ________________________________________________________________ It is possible that this is causing the false attachment indication (paper clip) The 5 emails were from: Michael Martin Thelma Martin Cathy Wood LLoyd York (2) Peggy is this what you are seeing? Jon Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] LIST ADMINISTRATOR > Sometimes, if the Digest is too long, the ISP will make part of it an > attachment. It has nothing to do with Rootsweb.com, and I have to see it > to know what > is going on. > Julia > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, > BEVCROWELL@aol.com writes: > I haven't received any emails with attachments from this list. > I don't understand how one person could. > Bev Martin Crowell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2736 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Bill, Here is some info on Samuel MARTIN of Wethersfield. Hope this helps. Mike 1. Samuel MARTIN Born: 1625, Devonshire, England. Died: September 15, 1683 at Wethersfield, Hartford County, Connecticut. Married: by May 11, 1646, Phebe BISBY, from London, England, widow of Thomas BRACEY. Phebe married first Thomas BRACEY on August 4, 1631, had five children, and he died before May 11, 1646. Children: i. Samuel MARTIN Jr, born 1648, in Wethersfield, Connecticut, was a freeman of Woodbury, Connecticut in 1669. ii. Joseph MARTIN, born in Wethersfield, Connecticut and died as infant at Maidstone, Kent, England. (On a return visit to England) iii. David MARTIN, born 1650 in Wethersfield, Connecticut. 2. iv. William (Seaborn) MARTIN, born 1653 at sea. (Born at sea on Samuel's return back to New England) Lieut. Samuel MARTIN, 1st generation of New Haven and Wethersfield, Connecticut was born in Devonshire, England, and emigrated from Plymouth, England to America about 1640. The first recording of Samuel MARTIN in colonial documents appeared on February 24, 1641/2, when he was questioned by the magistrate about statements that Georg SPENCER had made in regards to retracting a coerced confession. Tragically because George SPENCER had but one eye and a piglet was born with congenital anomalies also having but one eye, he was accused and prosecuted for bestiality, and received capital punishment. In 1643 Samuel acquired a house-lot in Wethersfield, Connecticut, and in 1647 he acquired a second house-lot in Wethersfield with two and a half acres of land. "In 1646, Samuel Martin went from Wethersfield to New Haven, and married widow Phebe Bracey." Phebe's father, William BISBY, was not pleased with either of her husbands. In a letter to his sister-in-law, Mary WYLLYS, wife of George WYLLYS, Governor of the Connecticut Colony, dated May 11, 1646, he says of his daughter "shee was rash in her first marryage, & soe in her second". ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> Reply-To: martin@rootsweb.com To: <martin@rootsweb.com>, "'Mac'" <sharmacvilla@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MARTIN] Martin families Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:44:12 -0600 Mac, Was your Robert Martin immigrant by any chance related to the Robert Martin who came to the MA Bay Colony in 1635 with Rev. Joseph Hull? The 1635 Robert was from Ottery Saint Mary Parish in Devon, England. Does Cutter say that the Samuel Martin you mention was related to your Robert Martin? I was not aware that there were Martins in Wethersfield, Connecticut circa 1650. Churchills first arrived in Wethersfield around 1630. Do you know if Robert and Samuel were non-conformists? Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Casa Del Luna [mailto:sharmacvilla@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:45 PM To: martin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MARTIN] Martin families Norman, This is something from my files: "According to William Richard Cutter, the Plattsburgh Martin line descended from either Robert Martin, an immigrant from England who settled in New Haven, Connecticut, prior to 1655 or Samuel Martin, who immigrated circa 1650 and settled in Wethersfield, Connecticut. [1]" As you can see, this was published in 1910. I have found mistakes in other Cutter research, especially that of Martha's Vineyard, and I suspect he was wrong on this, as well, as I have traced the Martin line I have to Freetown, Mass.circa 1722 and , if I recall correctly, Rhode Island was a part of Massachusetts in those times. I have a hard time believing that they settled in Connecticut, as Cutter claimed. Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- [1] The Genealogical and Family History of Northern New York; Compiled under the supervision of William Richard Cutter, Volume II; New York, Lewis Historical Publishing Company 1910 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 01/30/2007 5:04 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2

Ken, Are you speaking of David Andrew? from the David Sr line? If so I have other info on this line. David Sr. died in Campbell Co VA. He is the father of This Johnathan Martin who married Nancy Pugh. My connection is that David Sr was a brother to my Thomas Sr who died 1833 in Campbell Co. If this not the right one please advise me the generation number> Gladys

Barb you may have to use this link instead of familyl1.htm http://www.edenmartin.com/family/part1.htm Gladys

family1.htm There is a reference to Samuel Martin, John Martin and Martha Cassidy in this document. Jan Lowe Minneapolis In a message dated 2/8/2007 3:51:49 PM Central Standard Time, barb.samuels@verizon.net writes: I am seeking info about Samuel MARTIN b. 1786 Logan Co., KY. He was married to Sarah DOTY. They had son John M. b, IL. John married Martha CASSIDY. Would appreciate any information about any or all of these people. Thanks, Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com

I am trying to determine any Martin families residing in Warren County Ohio during the period from 1790 to 1830. I am trying to determine the parents of Elizabeth Martin (born abt 1815). She married first William Wright (or Rite) then in 1837 Samuel Hays.

For Maggie You are the only other Martin researcher that I have run across with Hawkins as a middle name . Mine was Joseph Hawkins Martin born abt 1790-1798 in the Barnwell/Charleston area of SC. Married to Elizabeth "betsy" Bates. and was in this same area thru the 1850 census and then shows up in Emanuel County GA on the 1860 census. He had remarried by that time to a lady by the name of Julia and right now I can't remember her last name. He is buried in the Youngblood Cemetery in Statesville, GA. Further back that this man is a gigantic brick wall for everyone researching this line. Just thought it was a huge coincidence. Would your William Hawkins and his ancestors happen to have been in SC during this time frame. Carolyn Martin Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: ROOZOO8@aol.com<mailto:ROOZOO8@aol.com> To: martin@rootsweb.com<mailto:martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] MARTIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 For Barbara Samuels: Yes, you have come to the right place! Someone on this board does have your William Harvey Martin, but he is NOT the son of John Martin and Isabell Scott. He was one of my early rabbit trails and I spent many an hour chasing him. My ancestor is William HAWKINS Martin, son of John Martin and Isabell Martin. After 30 years of research and TONS of documentation, I am absolutely certain your William Harvey is NOT the son of John and Isabell. I have William Hawkins Martin's discharge papers from the Civil War stating his middle name as Hawkins. I also have bible records that mach his birthdate to this William Hawkins and list him as the son of John and Isabell. John and Isabell's William H. was born 5/28/1823 and died 7/2/1893. I also have allhis descendency information and letters written between his brothers and parents during the civil war. Your William Harvey is often incorrectly listed by many people as the son of John and Isabell and it made my life miserable for years trying to connect him So don't feel bad, there is a lot of mis-information out there, that is why this group is so valuable. The good news is he is not John and Isabell's son, because so far, nobody but nobody has been able to find their parents for sure. Several guesses out there, but nothing concrete that I know of. However, your William Harvey is pretty well documented I believe. He is not mine and I cannot help you. But, there are definitely people here that can. Try going to the threaded archives and checking the old posts. If you do not know how to do that, contact our list administrator and she can tell you how to do it. Don't despair, knowing who you are NOT related to, is often just as important as knowing who you ARE related to. I wish you luck and good hunting! Welcome aboard. Best regards, Maggie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message