1732 Tyrone, Ireland died Nov 26, 1836 Lincoln Gaston NC Married Margaret McCurdy born 1735 Ireland and died May 21, 1833 Lincoln Gaston NC had a son James Martin born 1776 Mecklenberg NC died Apr 1810 Meclenberg and married Margaret Kerr born Dec 29 1770 Mecklenberg suz http://stores.ebay.com/BQSD-Enterprises-Store?refid=store ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol J" <mcjensen@charter.net> To: "Sauls" <wasauls@bellsouth.net>; <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] Samuel Martin > When/where was your Samuel Martin born? >
I have some info on Samuel Martin but really would like more and to meet others who have him in their tree. thanks suzanne
When/where was your Samuel Martin born?
I have no connection to this line but thought it might help someone............. http://www.rootsweb.com/~molincol/famrecs/fr-martin-lewis.htm
Andersonville or Eddyville? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Martin" <tcmthelma@hotmail.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] Letter from Hiram Martin's step mother > Hello, I am not related to your Martins but have you requested the > pension > file for the one who died at Andersonville from NARA (National Archives) > It > should give you wife(s) names as well as children and should even include > marriage certificates. Get the full file ($37.00) because it containd > all > details. If there is no file they do not charge you. You can order on > line > or even call them. Thelma Martin > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage-get 2GB with Windows Live > Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, I am not related to your Martins but have you requested the pension file for the one who died at Andersonville from NARA (National Archives) It should give you wife(s) names as well as children and should even include marriage certificates. Get the full file ($37.00) because it containd all details. If there is no file they do not charge you. You can order on line or even call them. Thelma Martin _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507
Dear Laney, Of course you can have a copy. Who would be more entitled to it than you? This is a transcription of the letter with the punctuation corrected. The parenthesis are inserted by me. If you will send me your address I will be more than happy to send you a xerox copy of the original. This letter was written by Jeremiah Bellastin Martin's widow Mary Jane. I would love to find her maiden name. I have looked for her for 44 years because this letter caught my heart and my imagination. It made my ancestors real. It made the devastation of the Civil War real. I am going to find her before I die if it kills me, and it may. I believe that Rachel McKinney was Jeremiah's first wife, and the mother of HIram Koonrod, and Mary Jane was his second wife . As you can see she returned to Eddyville after Jeremiah's death which explains why Hiram Koonrod Martin ended up in Eddyville maried to Martha Lenore Thompson. One of Hiram's aunts also married into the Thompson family. There is a Mary J. Martin buried in the cemetery in Eddyville, but I am not sure if it is her.But I think we are getting VERY close to finding her. > May 19,1865 > Eddyville, Mafeto County, Iowa > > My dear sisters one and all it is with a sad and almost broken heart that I > seat myself to pen to you the sad and solemn news I have to send to you(.) > the > death of my dear and affectionate beloved companion(.) he died at > andersonville prison the 19 day o(f) december(.) he had the rheumatism(.) > Thare was a > soldier that brought a list his name was on it(.) i never herd of it untill > last > tuesday(.) today is friday(.) o sister you don't know my feelings(.) O to > think he had to die away off thare(.) if i only could have had him at home > to > wait on him(.) it almost breaks my poor hart to think of him away off down > in > georgia(.) They took him thare first and then they took him away thare and > then > took him back thare o they drag(g)ed him out and exposed him I am afeard(.) > if > only i knew what he said before he left this world(.) he was a dear kind and > > loving husband(.) As well as a dear kind brother to you(.) I know you will > miss > him forever(.) > it seams like more than i can bear but it is the lords will he should be > taken away(.) i hope he is happy now in that better land where there will be > no > war nor more fighting thare(.) it has been 5 months since he departed this > life(.) all i can do is to try and meet him in heaven where we shall part no > > more(.) thare to be happy forever(.) he be longed to the methodist church(.) > he > always wrote to me(.) he tried to live near(er) the cross than he ever did > before(.) he always told me if we never met hear on earth to meet him in > heaven(.) I > am going to strive to do so(.) I was in hopes it was a mistake in his name > but > it is his name as signed in full(.) o he was all ways well every time i > could > hear from him(.) i was so in hopes he could come once more but all in > vain(.) > i watched the (railroad) cars in hopes of meeting him thare but sister my > hopes are gone forever(.) o to think of the happy hours we used to spend to > gather but all them happy hours are gone never more to return again(.) i > would love > to be with you seams as if it would do me good to see you and pass off my > lone some hours off with you(.) dear mother and father(,) know your dear > son > often thought of you while away in rebel land(.) O if i only knew his > thoughts > and words before he had to die(.) what a consolation it would have been to > me > to been with my dear husband in his suf(f)ering hours to have waited on > (him) > for the last tim(e) in this world of trouble but i trust he is happy in the > (illegible) now (scatched out) with his savour in that happy land(.) his > dear > little children are well(.) i hope thease few lines may find you all well(.) > this > leaves me well but sad(.) i have been in bridg(e)fort a week or two watching > > for him but father and catherine come to eddy ville to day and i am going > home > to live(.) my dear little pet is well he looks so much like his dear father > i > wish you could see him and the rest of his little boys(.) sisters(,) i > wrote > you a letter a while back but havent received any answer i wrote marinda > (illegible) to(o.) you can read this to all of the friends you must excuse > all of > my mistakes and bad writing for I hardly felt like writing(.) I couldnt send > > you good news as I (illiegible) done. I would feel happy Ef i could(.) to > think > thare are so many soldiers coming and my dear husband cant come(.) o it is > hard to think of(.) you dont know how lonesome i am(,) but i must come to a > close by telling you to be shure and write to me as often as you can(.) I > remain > your affectionate sister and daughter untill death(,) Mary Jane Martin > to sisters father and mother(.) So(,) goodbye for this time(.) write soon(.) > > IThe marinda (above) is my Alice Marinda Martin Overstreet > b.12/17/1848, daughter of William Martin, Jeremiah's brother. The only Martin listed in the official record as dying at Andersonville > > prison, that might fit is Jeremiah B Martin. He is in company B of the 5th Iowa > Calvary.She states that he died December 19,1865. So now we have a firm death > date for him.His middle name was Bellastin, I have a copy of the family > bible. This was a common piece of mis-information on the net. I think we all need > to correct our info so we don't confuse some poor soul that is coming after > us. I know some of the other researchers that have this information and I > will let them know too. I am confident that this is Jeremiah Bellastin Martin, > twin of Sarah Martin England, brother of Ursley, Lewis, John, William, > Phillip, etc. Martin. His first wife was Rachel McKinney who died in 1860, other people's data, not mine. I> I believe Mary Jane is his second wife from Eddyvile, Iowa and she > is the mother of another child "the little pet", who would have been > Jeremiah Martin b. 1860. The children she refers to as "the rest of his little > boys" are Jeremiah's other three sons by Rachel McKinney, Hiram b. 1853, Lewis > b.1855, and John b.1857. It is possible that she is not the mother of Jeremiah, > but she certainly seems to separate them in this letter. About your question about the marriage date for Rachel McKinney and Jeremiah Bellastin Martin.... I have their marriage date as 4/15/1852. I f you look at the tombstone in the picture that you sent me, you will see that Hiram Koonrod Martin was born 3/29/1853. (Don't worry about it, I do the same kind of stuff all the time. There is just too much info to process it sometimes.) So the dates fit. Also Hiram, himself said that Rachel McKinney was his mother. He obviously had a step mother since your family member mentioned it, but I believe it was Mary Jane. Do we have anyone who can check the death records for Mary Jane Martin in Eddyville? I found a Mary J. Martin in plot 32 of one of the cemeteries. Just don't know if it is her. Thank you so much for the pictures. Once I saw them I knew there was no doubt. Hiram looks exactly like every other Martin man in my family. Same shape head, same high cheek bones, same hair line, same strong chin. They were all tall, lean, and pretty darn handsome from all reports, > Let me know if you find anything else. I will do the same. > > Good hunting! > Maggie > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Maggie, Thanks so much for this info............ J LO In a message dated 5/10/2007 12:55:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ROOZOO8@aol.com writes: I promised George I would post the transcriptions of these two letter to the web. They are part of the "Civil War Letters" of my family. I descend from William Martin, son of Ales/Alys/Alice Bentley Martin, sister of Colonel Richard Bentley and Daniel Bentley, all children of Jeremiah Bentley b.5/1/1759. Daniel Bentley had a son named Lycergus Mino (L. M.) Bentley. One letter is from Richard to Ales (Dear Sister) and the other is from L.M. Bentley to Lewis Martin and Aisley Martin or Alice Perkins. Lewis Martin was the son of Ales Bentley Martin and Alice Martin Perkinswas her daughter. In this letter, I believe the Aisley (Alsey) Martin was Alice Bentley Martin. Lawrenceburg Tennessee March 22/76 Lewis Martin & Aisley Martin or Alice Perkins Dear Friends My Father Dani =el Bentleys Family are all dead but myself AW Bentley and sister Lillie Bentley Aunt Sallie Hammondds is alive- Uncle Richard Bentley is dead I have a wife 5 daughters and one son named Daniel A Bentley I have no news much. times are so hard,money so very scarce. thes population since the war has nearly all changed I am afraid to hear from your house for fear that you are all dead and gone write to me when you get my letter & let me know Yours Truly L M Bentley I have tried to mimic the spacing and punctuation as closely as I can. Daniel Bentley is Jeremiah's son. AW Bentley is Andrew Ware Bentley, son of Daniel and brother to Lycergus Mino Lillie Bentley is the daughter of Daniel Bentley Leonelia Valeria, nicknamed Lilly. Sallie Hammonds is the sister of Ales Bentley Martin, Richard Bentley, and Daniel Bentley. Her name was Sarah and she was nicknamed Sallie. Richard Bentley is Ales Bentley Martin's brother, son of Jeremiah. LM's first wife would be Martha Moore but I show her dead by 1856 (from a letter written by Lucrecy Bentley Luker)????? He did have a "companion" Arminta Arrington and possibly he his referring to her???? I am only aware of Daniel A. and Matilda as his children. Does anyone else know the other four daughters????? Hillsboro Ills Sept 13 70 My Dear Sister, I have just met a neighbor of yours who gives me news from you, and kindly offers to carry this to you, I am now visiting my children, going round and spending a few days with each. I spent the greater part of the summer that way, my health is better than it was when I wrote you before, my wife's health is good, we are both enjoying good health for people of our age, we still live in Greenvile Ills, I am now in Hillsboro twenty miles from home making a visit (a visit) the second "a visit" marked out to my son in law J. Hanson Jones. I propose to go next to my grand= daughter Celia Moss and see her family. I am now 86 years old I am not able to attend to business, and I intend to spend the time till cold weather if I live visiting my children spending a few days with each. My oldest daughter Nancy is living in Elm Point eight miles from my home. she is living alone her husb= and is dead, Edith lives in Elm Point, her name is Fairchild she has one daughter Rebecca Jett, Rebecca has five sons and one daughter, my next daughter Sarah Davis lives eight miles from Hillsboro. she has three sons four daughters and seven grandchildren My next daughter Margaret Robinson lives near her alone on her farm. I have two sons living Samuel lives in Carlyle Ills with his family, William and his family live in Henne[???]in Ills (un-readable) My sisters sisters Sally and Lucy were living and ("sisters" is repeated) in good health last march Sally lives in Lauderdale Co Alabama near where she did when you left, Lucy lives in Tennesee below Lawrence burg, and in the corner of the adjoining county, and old D Bumpus is yet living 125 (George says this is Dale Bumpus) years old, my youngest son in law is living alone in Hillsboro, he keeps a Photograph gallery,and and sends you the pictures (I do not have copies of these) of himself and his buried wife Mary. I omitted to mention in order My daughter Elizabeth she lives in Greenville with her husband John P. Garland she has four sons and two daughters, My two sons Garner and Balaam have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! been dead many years their children are grown up and scattered from Vermont to Texas, Let me hear from you as often as you can and write as soon as you can. Your affectionate Brother Richard Bentley by J. Hanson Jones I think this one is pretty self explanatory. I also have a letter written from Lucrecy (Lucy) Bentley Luker to her sister Ales and her husband Lewis Martin. She signs the letter, "remains efectionat sister till Death Lucrecy W Lucur." She mentions that Likerges Bentley's wife and his youngest child are "ded". She also mentions Robert Baley(Bailey) was at her house on New Year's day and "reat" (wrote) her on February 2 saying his father and mother were well and lived about twelve miles from him in the "lewsianna" she lists prices for several commodities, she mentions the church at mob creek and the church at "blew" (Blue) weater (weather), and the second creke (creek) church. She mentions Brethering Askew and Newton. Hope this helps someone. If anyone has a copy of Jeremiah's will I would love to have it. Million things to do today so I have to zooooom. More later . Maggie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
I promised George I would post the transcriptions of these two letter to the web. They are part of the "Civil War Letters" of my family. I descend from William Martin, son of Ales/Alys/Alice Bentley Martin, sister of Colonel Richard Bentley and Daniel Bentley, all children of Jeremiah Bentley b.5/1/1759. Daniel Bentley had a son named Lycergus Mino (L. M.) Bentley. One letter is from Richard to Ales (Dear Sister) and the other is from L.M. Bentley to Lewis Martin and Aisley Martin or Alice Perkins. Lewis Martin was the son of Ales Bentley Martin and Alice Martin Perkinswas her daughter. In this letter, I believe the Aisley (Alsey) Martin was Alice Bentley Martin. Lawrenceburg Tennessee March 22/76 Lewis Martin & Aisley Martin or Alice Perkins Dear Friends My Father Dani =el Bentleys Family are all dead but myself AW Bentley and sister Lillie Bentley Aunt Sallie Hammondds is alive- Uncle Richard Bentley is dead I have a wife 5 daughters and one son named Daniel A Bentley I have no news much. times are so hard,money so very scarce. thes population since the war has nearly all changed I am afraid to hear from your house for fear that you are all dead and gone write to me when you get my letter & let me know Yours Truly L M Bentley I have tried to mimic the spacing and punctuation as closely as I can. Daniel Bentley is Jeremiah's son. AW Bentley is Andrew Ware Bentley, son of Daniel and brother to Lycergus Mino Lillie Bentley is the daughter of Daniel Bentley Leonelia Valeria, nicknamed Lilly. Sallie Hammonds is the sister of Ales Bentley Martin, Richard Bentley, and Daniel Bentley. Her name was Sarah and she was nicknamed Sallie. Richard Bentley is Ales Bentley Martin's brother, son of Jeremiah. LM's first wife would be Martha Moore but I show her dead by 1856 (from a letter written by Lucrecy Bentley Luker)????? He did have a "companion" Arminta Arrington and possibly he his referring to her???? I am only aware of Daniel A. and Matilda as his children. Does anyone else know the other four daughters????? Hillsboro Ills Sept 13 70 My Dear Sister, I have just met a neighbor of yours who gives me news from you, and kindly offers to carry this to you, I am now visiting my children, going round and spending a few days with each. I spent the greater part of the summer that way, my health is better than it was when I wrote you before, my wife's health is good, we are both enjoying good health for people of our age, we still live in Greenvile Ills, I am now in Hillsboro twenty miles from home making a visit (a visit) the second "a visit" marked out to my son in law J. Hanson Jones. I propose to go next to my grand= daughter Celia Moss and see her family. I am now 86 years old I am not able to attend to business, and I intend to spend the time till cold weather if I live visiting my children spending a few days with each. My oldest daughter Nancy is living in Elm Point eight miles from my home. she is living alone her husb= and is dead, Edith lives in Elm Point, her name is Fairchild she has one daughter Rebecca Jett, Rebecca has five sons and one daughter, my next daughter Sarah Davis lives eight miles from Hillsboro. she has three sons four daughters and seven grandchildren My next daughter Margaret Robinson lives near her alone on her farm. I have two sons living Samuel lives in Carlyle Ills with his family, William and his family live in Henne[???]in Ills (un-readable) My sisters sisters Sally and Lucy were living and ("sisters" is repeated) in good health last march Sally lives in Lauderdale Co Alabama near where she did when you left, Lucy lives in Tennesee below Lawrence burg, and in the corner of the adjoining county, and old D Bumpus is yet living 125 (George says this is Dale Bumpus) years old, my youngest son in law is living alone in Hillsboro, he keeps a Photograph gallery,and and sends you the pictures (I do not have copies of these) of himself and his buried wife Mary. I omitted to mention in order My daughter Elizabeth she lives in Greenville with her husband John P. Garland she has four sons and two daughters, My two sons Garner and Balaam have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! been dead many years their children are grown up and scattered from Vermont to Texas, Let me hear from you as often as you can and write as soon as you can. Your affectionate Brother Richard Bentley by J. Hanson Jones I think this one is pretty self explanatory. I also have a letter written from Lucrecy (Lucy) Bentley Luker to her sister Ales and her husband Lewis Martin. She signs the letter, "remains efectionat sister till Death Lucrecy W Lucur." She mentions that Likerges Bentley's wife and his youngest child are "ded". She also mentions Robert Baley(Bailey) was at her house on New Year's day and "reat" (wrote) her on February 2 saying his father and mother were well and lived about twelve miles from him in the "lewsianna" she lists prices for several commodities, she mentions the church at mob creek and the church at "blew" (Blue) weater (weather), and the second creke (creek) church. She mentions Brethering Askew and Newton. Hope this helps someone. If anyone has a copy of Jeremiah's will I would love to have it. Million things to do today so I have to zooooom. More later . Maggie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
OK Cuzs, I question "I do know that Ales Bentley Martin's mother was named Catherine Muck. So I am assuming that the Anthony Muck listed at the bottom of this will is related to her." "NANCY" named as Jeremiah's wife on SC dowers c1800 -1807. I have no support for the "Caty Muck" marriage doc. to prove our Jeremiah b'59 is the groom. What do you have? If that him, he married at least 4 times! The younger Jeremiah m Zinah Martin is probably another Grandchild of Jeremiah through his son John. In 1835 @ age 75, JB names 7 living children. Q --- How many did he bury? Problems that we have with IDing Bentleys is: Jeremiah's sister was having bastard sons 2+? bc1780 and there is the Bentley group (LeBruceys) in North AL c1820s that is tied somehow to JB, but HOW? And the John Bentley who is a apparently good old JB's son, if his ages c1850-1860 are correct, was sired by JB b'59 when he was 14/15...... before joining the RW on 8/28/77..... or marrying Caty in 1792. JB's widow was "Hannah" bc1775. I think "Nancy" was this 1818 wife in Giles TN, bc1761 & dc1819 TN. Always, gb ----- Original Message ----- From: ROOZOO8@aol.com To: rwkurtz@earthlink.net ; Martin-L@rootsweb.com ; bentleycars@eatel.net ; FerretLK@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: FW: Re: Martin Genealogy Hi cuzzie! OK , it IS complicated because this family named every generation the same names just to make us crazy. Let's see if we can sort this out. I am going to color code this so it is easier to follow. Lewis Hiram Martin and Ales Bentley Martin were also my GGGG parents. The Alice Perkins you are refering to (the one in the will) is a sibling of all the other heirs. She is my GGG aunt. She is the DAUGHTER of Ales Bentley Martin, who was married to Lewis Hiram Martin. Ales Bentley Martin was the mother of all of the heirs listed in this will except Elizabeth Gramling. The Alice in this will was named Alice M. Martin. She was married first to John W. Perkins b.1819, and second to Robert S. Stout b. 1828. Her niece, Mary Jane Martin b. 1861 (daughter of Phillip Wesley Martin b.9/15/1834 and Nancy Jane Hammonds b. c.1840) married a Robert Samuel Stout b.12/1860. So don't confuse the Robert Stouts. I am not sure what the connection is between Henry Gramling and the Martin Family. I do know that Ales Bentley Martin's mother was named Catherine Muck. So I am assuming that the Anthony Muck listed at the bottom of this will is related to her. Obviously Henry Gramling is VERY closely related to this family. I had never seen this will before now, but the Gramling name has always been attached to these two Alices. I have several letters written by Ales Bentley to members of the Bentley family and to her sister Lucrecy (Lucretia) Bentley Lucur/Luker, and to her brother, Richard Bentley and to a L.M. Bentley. The Bentley Family is highly intermarried with the Hammonds/Hammack Family which ties back to the Nancy Jane Hammonds (above ) married to her son Phillip. I also have letters written to her and Lewis, and to her daughter Alice during the civil war. They identify all Alice's siblings and most of their spouses, Sarah A. Martin married first to Crozier England and second to Richard Bray, John Lewis Martin married to Philandia Couch/Crouch, William Hawkins/Hiram Martin married first to Hannah Pettit and second to Martha Amanda McKown/McQuown/McKuen, Lydia Martin married to John Pettit, Jeremiah Bellastin Martin (named after Jeremiah Bentley, his grandfather and Ales Bentley's father) married to Rachel McKinney), Phillip Wesley Martin married to Nancy Jane Hammonds (she later married a man named Aaron Standturf/Standefur), Zinah Martin married to a Bentley (George do you know which one?), Nancy B Martin and her sister Isabella were both married to Joseph Pettit (Bother of Hannah Pettit above, who was married to William Martin), Ursula Martin married to Andrew L. Thompson, and Lewis Hyrum Martin married to Mary Barzilla Vanlandingham, as well as Ales's other sister Sally ( Sarah) Bentley. So, I feel very confident that we have Ales Bentley Martin's maiden name firmly established. Zinah married into the Bentley family just as her brother Lewis did and Isabella, Nancy and William married a brother and sister in the Pettit family. No wonder we are all confused! OK, get ready for TOTAL fantasy here........... Just trying to make the will fit........ According to my records, Lewis Martin died in1872, Ales Bentley Martin died in 1879. (Are these dates correct?) Could Ales have re-married for a third time to Henry Gramling? That would make Alice Martin Perkins Henry Gramling's step daughter, and Ales Bentley Martin would become Ales Bentley Martin Gramling. Then Ales dies and Henry remarries Mary. Maybe this would explain the attachment of the Gramling name to these two women named Alice/Ales/Alys. The will was recorded in 1872. When did Henry Gramling die? This is just TOTAL conjecture and of course there is no proof....... George do you have anything to add? What do you think? Maggie Burrows ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
On a family tree @ Ancestry, someone has that a Sarah Hancock is the mother of my gr gr grandfather Andy Martin born in NC abt 1816. He died in AR. He was married to Nancy E. Warnick.They have no email address or there name. If that person see's this or anyone knows who they are. Would you please contact me. Thank you so much. Roslyn
I have a Harvey Martin Born 1813 VT Married Emily UNK Their Dau Sarah E Martin Born 1843 NY married Willington J Horton She died 1911 Jefferson co NY They were my wife's Gr Grandparents HARVEY is a dead end Any help appreciated Thank You chuck administrator of the class and lape mailing lists
The real problem with this fantasy game about Ales marrying Gramling late in life, is that Donna Ellis sent me a picture of Ales Bentley Martin's gravestone, and she is buried next to Lewis and her name on the gravestone is Martin. So that kind of shoots down the whole fantasy thing of her being married to Gramling. Maybe we can get more info on the Gramling side. He was obviously close to the family and to the Mucks. So who knows? This is the fun part, trying to figure this stuff out. Maggie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Hi cuzzie! OK , it IS complicated because this family named every generation the same names just to make us crazy. Let's see if we can sort this out. I am going to color code this so it is easier to follow. Lewis Hiram Martin and Ales Bentley Martin were also my GGGG parents. The Alice Perkins you are refering to (the one in the will) is a sibling of all the other heirs. She is my GGG aunt. She is the DAUGHTER of Ales Bentley Martin, who was married to Lewis Hiram Martin. Ales Bentley Martin was the mother of all of the heirs listed in this will except Elizabeth Gramling. The Alice in this will was named Alice M. Martin. She was married first to John W. Perkins b.1819, and second to Robert S. Stout b. 1828. Her niece, Mary Jane Martin b. 1861 (daughter of Phillip Wesley Martin b.9/15/1834 and Nancy Jane Hammonds b. c.1840) married a Robert Samuel Stout b.12/1860. So don't confuse the Robert Stouts. I am not sure what the connection is between Henry Gramling and the Martin Family. I do know that Ales Bentley Martin's mother was named Catherine Muck. So I am assuming that the Anthony Muck listed at the bottom of this will is related to her. Obviously Henry Gramling is VERY closely related to this family. I had never seen this will before now, but the Gramling name has always been attached to these two Alices. I have several letters written by Ales Bentley to members of the Bentley family and to her sister Lucrecy (Lucretia) Bentley Lucur/Luker, and to her brother, Richard Bentley and to a L.M. Bentley. The Bentley Family is highly intermarried with the Hammonds/Hammack Family which ties back to the Nancy Jane Hammonds (above ) married to her son Phillip. I also have letters written to her and Lewis, and to her daughter Alice during the civil war. They identify all Alice's siblings and most of their spouses, Sarah A. Martin married first to Crozier England and second to Richard Bray, John Lewis Martin married to Philandia Couch/Crouch, William Hawkins/Hiram Martin married first to Hannah Pettit and second to Martha Amanda McKown/McQuown/McKuen, Lydia Martin married to John Pettit, Jeremiah Bellastin Martin (named after Jeremiah Bentley, his grandfather and Ales Bentley's father) married to Rachel McKinney), Phillip Wesley Martin married to Nancy Jane Hammonds (she later married a man named Aaron Standturf/Standefur), Zinah Martin married to a Bentley (George do you know which one?), Nancy B Martin and her sister Isabella were both married to Joseph Pettit (Bother of Hannah Pettit above, who was married to William Martin), Ursula Martin married to Andrew L. Thompson, and Lewis Hyrum Martin married to Mary Barzilla Vanlandingham, as well as Ales's other sister Sally ( Sarah) Bentley. So, I feel very confident that we have Ales Bentley Martin's maiden name firmly established. Zinah married into the Bentley family just as her brother Lewis did and Isabella, Nancy and William married a brother and sister in the Pettit family. No wonder we are all confused! OK, get ready for TOTAL fantasy here........... Just trying to make the will fit........ According to my records, Lewis Martin died in1872, Ales Bentley Martin died in 1879. (Are these dates correct?) Could Ales have re-married for a third time to Henry Gramling? That would make Alice Martin Perkins Henry Gramling's step daughter, and Ales Bentley Martin would become Ales Bentley Martin Gramling. Then Ales dies and Henry remarries Mary. Maybe this would explain the attachment of the Gramling name to these two women named Alice/Ales/Alys. The will was recorded in 1872. When did Henry Gramling die? This is just TOTAL conjecture and of course there is no proof....... George do you have anything to add? What do you think? Maggie Burrows ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Janice: Wow! This is a very welcome email listing all of the Zadoc Martin info. I know you have put a lot of time into this, and I appreciate your posting it. My wife and I are packing right now for a 3-week trip starting tomorrow morning, so I can't digest it all right now, but the information is wonderful. Much thanks, Rod Moxley Oregon City, OR
Hi All, This is long, but I wanted to post my husband's Martin family information since we have finally located his gg grandfather, Harvey Zadoc Martin, and his great-grandfather, Thomas Josephus Martin in the 1850 and 1860 census records. Possible brother for Zadoc: Andrew Jackson Martin Census Records for the Harvey Zadoc Martin Family 1840 Coffee County, TN, Middle District: Zadok Martin, between 20-30 years old (b. anywhere from 1810-1820) One male, to 5 years old (b. anywhere from 1835-1840) One female, between 20-30 (b. anywhere from 1810-1820) One female, to 5 years old (b. anywhere from 1835-1840) One female, 10-15 years old (b. anywhere from 1825-1830) 1850 Hopkins County, Texas: Zadok Martin, age 30, born TN (b. abt. 1820) Eleanor, age 38, born SC (b. abt. 1812) Thomas, age 16, born TN (b. abt. 1834) James, age 13, born TN (b. abt. 1837) William H., age 11, born TN (b. abt. 1839) Mary, age 9, born TN (b. abt. 1840) John, age 6, born TN (b. abt. 1843) Green, age 5, born TN (b. abt. 1845) William, age 4, born Louisiana (b. abt. 1846) America J., age 2, born TX (b. abt. 1848) 1860 Sebastian County, Arkansas, Back Bone P.O., Center Twp. S. Martin**, age 41, born TN (b. abt. 1819) Rebecca Martin, age 38, born SC (b. abt. 1822) Mary Martin, age 17, born TN (b. abt. 1843) John Martin, age 16, born TN (b. abt. 1844) Anna Martin, age 11, born TX (b. abt. 1849) Elizabeth Martin, age 7, born AR (b. abt. 1853) James Martin, age 4, born AR (b. abt. 1856) Thomas Martin, age 2, born AR (b. abt. 1858) **Name was under S. Martin, not Z. Martin or Zadoc Martin Some of the ages seem to bounce around, especially for Rebecca, Mary, and John. Mary E. Martins pension papers said she was born 19 March 1840 in Bedford County, TN. Coffee County, TN was formed from part of Bedford in 1840. Johns 1900 census record says his birth date is March 1844. I tried to get a death certificate for him, but none was available. His gravestone only gives a death date. His estate papers state he died on 15 March 1924 in Leota, Howell County, MO. Rebeccas age seems to waver from 1810-1820 to 1812 to 1822 to 1824 back to 1822. As for the three Martin boys listed right after Eleanor in the 1850 Hopkins County census, may be Zadocs nephews or his younger brothers. The likelihood that they are Zadocs children is just not possible unless he started having kids when he was 15. Plus there are two living children named William. We are not sure that Eleanor and Rebecca are the same person. A descendant of John M. Martin's group told us that John and his younger brother, Robert E. Lee Martin were half brothers. That would make Mary E. Martin who was born before John a half sister to Lee Martin. If Eleanor and Rebecca are one in the same, then maybe the ages were just given wrong in the 1850 and 1860 census records. If they are two separate wives, with Eleanor being the first wife and Rebecca the second, then the half-brother information would be correct. We know for certain that Rebecca is the mother from Thomas Josephus Martin on down. I guess it is possible that Eleanor and Rebecca were sisters since both were born in SC. Rebecca's maiden name was Bates. 1870 Howell County, Missouri Zadoc Martin, age 52, born TN (b. abt. 1818) Rebecca Martin, age 46, born SC (b. abt. 1824) Mary E. Martin, age 26, born TN (b. abt. 1844) James W. Martin, age 14, born AR (b. abt. 1856) Josephus Martin, age 12, born AR (b. abt. 1858) Eliza I. Martin, age 9, born MO (b. abt. 1861) Robert E. Martin, age 6, born MO (b. abt. 1864) Elizabeth Allin, age 18, born AR (b. abt. 1852) Living next farm over is Zadocs oldest son, John and his family: John Martin, age 28, born TN (b. abt. 1842) Arminta Martin, age 19, born NC (b. abt. 1851) Nathaniel B. Martin, age 1/12, born MO (b. 1870) 1880 Howell County, Missouri John M. Martin, age 36, born TN (b. abt. 1844) Arminty Martin, age 26, born MO (b. abt. 1854) Nathaniel B. Martin, age 10, born MO (b. abt. 1870) Mary E. Martin, age 7, born MO (b. abt. 1877) Arnanuch Z. Martin, age 5, born AR (b. abt. 1875) Plissant H. Martin, age 2, born MO (b. abt. 1878) Next farm is: Zedoc Martin, age 61, born TN, parents born SC (b. abt. 1819) Bekea B. Martin, age 58, born SC, parents born SC (b. abt. 1822) Robert E. L. Martin, age 16, born MO (b. abt. 1864) Louela Ray, orphan, age 12, born KY (b. abt. 1868) Mary J. Gililan, orphan, age 6, born MO (b. abt. 1874) Census Records for Andrew Jackson Martin 1850 Census for Hopkins County, Texas Andrew J. Martin, age 34, born TN (b. abt. 1816) Sary Martin, age 30, born TN (b. abt. 1820) Elizabeth Martin, age 14, born TN (b. abt. 1836) James M. Martin, age 12, born TN (b. abt. 1838) William Martin, age 10, born TN (b. abt. 1840) Margaret F. Martin, age 8, born TN (b. abt. 1842) Rufus A. Martin, age 4, born LA (b. abt. 1846) Andrew J. Martin, age 1, born TX (b. abt. 1849) Andrews dwelling and family numbers were 779/754. Zadocs was 782/757. 1860 Census for Sebastian County, Arkansas, Back Bone P.O., Center Twp. A. J. Martin, age 45, born TN (b. abt. 1815) Sarah Martin, age 38, born TN (b. abt. 1822) Jackson Martin, age 11, born TX (b. abt. 1849) Sarah Martin, age 8, born TX (b. abt. 1852) Ann Martin, age 6, born TX (b. abt. 1854) Isabella Martin, age 3, born TX (b. abt. 1857) Lafayette Martin, age 8/12, born Arkansas (b. abt. 1860) 1870 Census for Pope County, Arkansas, Moreland Twp, Dover P.O. Andrew Martin, age 55, born Louisiana (b. abt. 1815) Sarah Martin, age 51, born TN (b. abt. 1819) Sarah C. Martin, age 16, born TX (b. abt. 1854) Cordelia Ann Martin, age 14, born TX (b. abt. 1856) Laura I. Martin, age 11, born TX (b. abt. 1859) Lafayette Martin, age 6, born AR (b. abt. 1864) Here we see a wrong birth state for Andrew, but the fact they said Louisiana is significant in the fact that they were living there at one time. The ages are a little off for the children, but the birth states are correct. Lafayette, I think, should have been around 9-10, not 6. Oldest son, Andrew J. Martin, is missing from this census. I did find one Andrew J. Martin, age 21, born in Texas (estimated birth year about 1849) in the 1870 Census for Clarksville, Johnson County, Arkansas, Horsehead Twp. entered as farm labor for Jesse M. and Isabella Marshall. I believe that Isabella Marshall is Andrew and Sarahs daughter, Laura Isabella Martin, and sister to the above Andrew, age 21, who was enumerated with them. 1880 Census for Hopkins County, Texas, Precinct 5 Sarah Martin, age 62, widowed, born TN, parents born NC Sarah A. Martin, age 24, daughter, born TX, parents born TN Isabel Martin, age 22, daughter, born TX, parents born TN Lafayette M. Martin, age 21, son, born AR, parents born TN Next farm is the son of A J and Sarah Martin: Andrew J. Martin, age 32, born TX, parents born TN Mary C. Martin, age 29, born TX, father b. IN; mother b. TN James A. Martin, age 7, son, born TX, parents born TX John W. Martin, age 5, son, born TX, parents born TX Joe W. Martin, age 3, son, born TX, parents born TX A marriage record search on Ancestry.com shows Mary C. Burkham married Andrew J. Martin on 5 November 1871 in Hopkins County, TX. Next farm is: James Burkham, age 75, widowed, born IN; parents b. KY John A. Burkham, age 21, son, born TX, Father b. IN; Mother b. TN James A. E. Burkham, age 18, grandson, b. TX; Father b. TX; Mother b. TN Theresa A. Martin, age 34, widowed, daughter, b. TX; F b. IN; M b. TN Matilda J. Martin, age 15, step-granddau, b. TX; F b. TN; M b. TX Laura B. Martin, age 11, step-granddau, b. TX; F b. TN; M b. TX Josephine Martin, age 7, step-granddau, b. TX; F b. TN; M b. TX Lucy A. Martin, age 5, step-granddau, b. TX; F b. TN; M b. TX A marriage record search on Ancestry.com that shows Theresa A. Burkham married William Martin on 17 September 1863 in Hopkins County, Texas. Next farm to James Burkham is: Jasun (sic) Holder, age 32, born Louisiana; Father b. ILL; Mother b. Louisiana Melvina F. Holder, age 32, wife, b. TN; parents born TN James A. Holder, age 5, son, b. TX; Father b. Louisiana; Mother b. TN John W. Holder, age 3, son, b. TX; Father b. Louisiana; Mother b. TN Melissa J. Holder, age 1, daughter, b. TX; Father b. Louisiana; Mother b. TN Henry F. Burkham, age 10, stepson, born TN; Father b. TX; Mother b. TN 1870 Hopkins County, TX William Martin, age 28, born Tennessee Thursey Martin, age 27, born Texas Matilda Martin, age 5, born Texas Larissa Martin, age 2, born Texas William Rodes, age 23, born Texas Larkin Johnson, age 9, born Texas Next farm to William is: James Burkham, age 65, born Indiana Matilda Burkham, age 56, born Tennessee Mary C. Burkham, age 18, born Texas James Burkham, age 17, born Texas Mary Rodes, age 18, born Texas I feel Andrew Jackson Martin (b. 1816) is probably the older brother of our Harvey Zadoc Martin (born abt 1818-19-20). If there is any connection to these families, I would appreciate hearing from you. Janice Martin martindo@houston.rr.com
Ok. Thanks for the reply. Carl On 5/6/07, Jan <martindo@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Carl, > > My husband's Martin family is not part of Lilly's family tree. I > contacted > her in regard to the Musselwhite surname as my dentist's surname is > Musselwhite. From reading your information, I do not see a connection to > your Martins with my husband's family. > > Janice Martin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Carl, My husband's Martin family is not part of Lilly's family tree. I contacted her in regard to the Musselwhite surname as my dentist's surname is Musselwhite. From reading your information, I do not see a connection to your Martins with my husband's family. Janice Martin
#1. William M. Martin b. 1826 Rockingham Co NC. Died 8-26-1870 Henderson Co TN He is the possible son of Michajah Martin, the son of Baily Martin, Sr and Lydia of Troublesome Creek, Rockingham Co NC. William M. Martin married Mary M. Young, b. 1-16-1825 Rockingham Co NC, d/o Robert and Mary Young. married 7-24-1847 Rockingham Co NC. Mary M. Martin died 12-22-1880 Retreat, Navarro Co TX. Children: H. E. Martin b. 1848 NC, she is a female, but I do not have a name, just initials George Wesley Martin b. 11-1-1849 NC d. 5-29-1926 ,buried Hamilton Beeman Cemetery, Navarro Co., TX. Sawson R. Martin ( or Samson R. Martin) b. 1851 Henderson Co TN. Mary Caroline Martin b. 8-22-1854 Henderson Co TN d. 1932, Navarro Co TX, never married. Isabelle Martin (she is named in her father's Probate) William B. Martin (named in his father's probate, possibly William Bailey Martin) Bailey J. Martin b. abot 1863 (listed in 1880 census with his mother, but name spelled as Basley, could be either spelling) Joseph Allen Martin b. 1866 Henderson Co TN, died November 28, 1935 Sunset, Montague Co TX. This is my Great Grandfather. Margaret E. Martin b. 1869 Henderson Co TN #2. Joseph Allen Martin b. July 1866 Henderson Co TN. Married Nancy Elizabeth Doolen of Navarro Co TX, d/o William. Settled in Sunset, Montague Co TX. 1900 census, Montague Co TX Joe Martin b. 7-1866TN Nannie " b. 2-1861 TX May W. " b. 3-1892 TX Dan L. " b. 7-1893 TX Jessy " b. 11-1894 TX Joe " b. 2-1899 TX (this is my grandfather, he died 1968 in Marlow, OK. He had lived at Vernon, TX prior. 1910 census, Montague Co TX Joe Martin Nannie Dan Jessie Joe Jimmie Roy 1920 census, Montague Co TX Joe A. Martin 53 TN General farmer, owned his own home free of mortgage. Nora " 31 TX (this is Nora, the second wife) Joe A. " 20 TX drug store helper Jim D. " 16 TX Roy B. " 15 TX 1920 census, Montague Co TX Dan L. Martin 26 teacher in public school Ada Martin 31 teacher in public school 1930 census, Montague Co TX Joseph A. Martin 63 TN (he died Nov 28, 1935 Sunset. Montague Co TX) Nora " 61 (she was still alive as of Jan 1951) He was a Farmer, living on Reid-Sunset Road, Sunset, TX. 1930 census, Chandler, Grady Co OK. Joe A. Martin 31 TX, assistant Foreman of Gas Fields Ora B. Martin 21 (she is Ora B. Gandy, of Marlow OK, d/o Horace Gandy, Chief of Police.) 1930 census, Bowie, Montague Co TX Dan L. Martin 36 OK, Superintindant Public Schools Ada Martin 42 Teacher, grade school Dan Lee Martin 9 Concerning the children of Joe Allen Martin and Nancy E. Doolen: I don't know who May W. Martin married, or if she married, but she was dead prior to Jan 1951, because she is not mentioned in her brother's obituary. If May married, she would have most likely married in Montague Co, TX but because she is not listed in the 1910 census, this leads me to believe she may have died in childhood. Dan Lee Martin died on the Tueday before Jan 31, 1951. His obit appeared in Dallas Morning News. He lived at 330 W. 12th st, Dallas, TX when he died. His wife was Ada Belle Martin. Dan and his wife began as teachers in Bowie, TX. They also lived in Nacona, TX, and at the end of his life he was in Dallas, TX. He rose from school teacher to Public Schools Superintendant. He is buried at Laureland Memorial Park, Dallas, TX His Obituary only lists his son Dan Lee Martin, Jr (b. about 1931) and 2 grandkids. I believe that his son Dan Lee Martin married Dorothy Germaine Bean, they had 4 children total: Pamela; Riachard; Lawrence; Dan Lee Martin III. In the obituary of Dan Lee Martin, Sr b. 1893, d. 1951, it states his brothers are: Roy B. Martin, living in Paul's Valley, Oklahoma as of January 1951. Roy B. Martin married Leila Gandy, d/o Harace Gandy, Chief of Police of Marlow, OK. Roy B. Martin had only 1 child, named Penny Martin, and she married Bruce Scott of Marlow, OK. Roy B. Martin b. 11-18-1904, died 12-23-1963 in Paul's Valley, OK. Roy was also called "Tige " Martin. He and his wife are buried at Marlow Cemetery, Marlow, Stephens Co OK. Joe A. Martin, b. 2-12-1899, living at Vernon, TX as of Jan. 1951. This is my grandfather. He lived many years in Vernon, TX as the District Supervisor for the Gas Transmissions of the Lone Star Gas Co. He married Ora Gandy, d/o Horace Gandy, Chief of Police, Marlow, OK. When Joe retired they moved to Marlow, OK which had been the home town of his wife Ora, they are both buried there. My father Billy Joe Martin b. 1925 Duncan, OK was the only child of Joe A. Martin, having been born of his first wife Etta Keller of Duncan, OK. William Jesse Martin b. Nov 3, 1894, he was also a school teacher. In 1951 he is said to have been living in Houston, TX. I do not know who he married, and I do not have a 1930 census for him. I do not know his children, or his death date. Jim Dave Martin b. 1905 Sunset, TX. He was said to have been living in 1951 in Joshua, Johnson Co TX. Jim married Lora May Musselwhite. They lived in Cherokee Co TX. They had 7 children: Jim Jr; Peggy; Don; Edward; Clois; Marvin; Toni. I would appreciate any further info or data you can fill in. I am hoping to find a living relative-descendant from this group. Best regards, Lilly Martin
Hi Jan, My mother Bessie Lee Murchison was born in Cherokee County, TX and her mother Martha Mae Haney was born there too. Mother, Bessie Lee Murchison married my dad Orbie Chesley Martin in 1938 in Athens, Texas. Carl Martin martinfamilytree@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <martindo@houston.rr.com> To: <martin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [MARTIN] my Martin family in Texas > > Lilly, > > I found information that Jim Dave Martin and Lora Mae/May Musslewhite had > seven children, all born in Cherokee County, Texas. If you will contact > me, > I will give you the particulars. I also have found some other information > that might help. > > Janice Martin > Houston, TX > martindo@houston.rr.com > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Lilly Martin > Date: 05/01/07 23:20:17 > To: MARTIN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MARTIN] my Martin family in Texas > > My Martin family line begins with William M. Martin b. 1826 Rockingham Co > NC, he married Mary M. Young b. 1825 Rockinghma Co NC, d/o Robert Young. > They left NC to settle in Henderson Co TN near Lexington, TN. William M. > Martin died there in 1870, and the widow and children then moved to > Navarro > Co TX in 1878. > Below I have given specific information about my myself and my relatives > in > TEXAS. I am looking to contact with anyone related to, or having any > information about these people. I would appreciate any help from anyone. > I > have researched this line 5 years and still have not found any living > relatives to share my research with. >> >> #1. I am Lilly Martin, I will start with me as #1. >> >> #2. My Father was Billy Joe Martin b. 1925 Duncan, OK. I already know >> everything about him, no mysteries there. But he was raised away from >> his >> own father, so this caused him to know nothing about his own biological >> Father, but now thru research I have uncovered all that. >> >> #3. Joe Alfred Martin b. 1899 Sunset, Montague Co TX. He took a job with >> Lone Star Gas Co as a teenager and ended up working 43 years for them. >> He >> lived in OK, but mainly most of his working career he lived in Vernon, >> Wilbarger Co TX. His wife was Ora B. Gandy, and they never had children. >> My father was his only child, born of a first marriage which was over >> before my Dad was born. >> I already know everything about this man, so I have no more questions, >> but >> my problem is, since he left no other children, I can't find any cousins >> to share research with. However, he had some siblings, and from these >> siblings maybe I can find a living descendant?? >> >> #4. Joe Allen Martin b. 1857 Henderson Co TN. This man arrived with his >> widowed Mother in Navarro Co TX in 1878. He grew up and married a local >> girl named Nancy Elizabeth Doolen, d/o William Doolen, a pioneer settler >> of Navarrro Co TX. >> They moved to Sunset, Montague Co TX and raised a family. Last record I >> have, is the 1930 census at Sunset, TX this man and his second wife, >> named >> Nora Martin are still living. I don't know when he died, but I presume >> not many years later in that area. >> >> Joe Allen Martin had several children: >> 1. Joe Alfred Martin (my Grandfather, who I already described) >> 2. Dan Lee Martin, he was a teacher in Bowie, TX and rose to school >> superintendant. I have his obit, it lists one child only a Dan Lee >> Martin, Jr. >> It is concievable that this man still lives, but I would doubt it. >> I do not know if he had children, but I would like to know. >> >> 3. William Jesse Martin b. Nov 3, 1894 Sunset, TX. This is a man who >> might have been living in Houston, TX, according to an Obit. >> I would love to know if this man left any children, or grandchildren? >> By finding a living relative I might be able to share alot of data, and >> push the research further back? >> >> 4. Jim Dave Martin b. 1905 d. 1967. This man married Lora M. >> Musselwhite. >> I found a listing online for this man, but the researcher only knew about >> the Musselwhite lady, and nothing about the Martin side. >> His children were: >> Jim Dave Martin Jr b. 1929 (m. Dillard) >> Don Gayle Martin b. 1936 d. 1989 >> >> I found that there was a researcher named Shayne Garrett Forrest, who >> lived in McKinney , TX, and also had lived in Blue Ridge, TX. This man >> Shayne is supposed to me a decendant of Jim Dave Martin, probably thru a >> daughter I would guess. The email address for Shayne is no good. >> >> If you ever find anything for these people, or a phone number or mailing >> address for Shayne, let me know. This might be the connection I need. >> >> >> Best regards, >> LIlly Martin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARTIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1180 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len