thank you, and I do not have a robert(that I know of). Please let me know if you find anything about the names I gave you. :)

Did you have a Robert M Martin from Ellis County Texas ? I will look at my file, I think I have seen some of those names

Do you know of any other Martins in Texas? My Martins come from Brownwood, TX. Maybe this will sound familiar.....Joel C. Martin, Lillian Hackett Martin, Evelyn Martin, Philip Wayne Martin, Rodney Blane Martin, Kate Martin, David Wayne Martin, and myself, Teresa Ann Martin Fierro. Thank you. :)

I have a William Abner and his wife Margaret Crawford Martin lived in Brownwood, TX about 1910. Before that they lived in Red River County, Texas. They came from Missouri to Texas. One of their children also married a Martin (Thomas William Martin). Thomas is my line. His father was Evan Clarence (E.C.) Martin. E. C. also lived in Red River County, Texas. His 2nd wife was Jane Winnsworth and her daughter was Margaret Crawford who married William Abner Martin. They sure intermarried a lot. Joyce -- Joyce DAY AUSTIN <jaau@airmail.net> Researching: AUSTIN, WOOD, RUSSELL: VA>TN>GRAPEVINE,TEXAS BRITTON: GILES,TN>ELLIS,TEXAS DAY,REYNOLDS,FORMBY,MOORE: PITTSYLVANIA,VA>HALIFAX VA,>OGLETHORPE, MONROE, TROUP, WALTON GA>CLABORINE TN>AL>TEXAS HALL, MARTIN: LOUISANA>ALABAMA>SOUTH CAROLINA>RED RIVER,TEXAS HENDRIX: MS>AL>GA>MCCLENNEN, ELLIS,TEXAS MEEKS: AL>MONROE, LAUDERDALE, CARROLL,MS>ELLIS,TEXAS SLOCUM: CARROLL,MS>MCCLENNEN, ELLIS,TEXAS Home page: http://web2.airmail.net/jaau/index.htm

Yes, it is Ellis County Texas

Is that ellis county Texas?

I'm looking for a John Martin living in Ellis county during the early 1900's, can anyone help me out ? Alice

Janet, I think that you could be missing out on some records if you only consider those Moses Martin's that had an "L" as their middle initial. Remember that although your ancestor might have always used his middle initial on records, the person actually doing the writing could decide not to write his middle initial. Or what if someone else was the information to the census taker. In my opinion "always" is a dangerous assumption. Theresa Cappel In a message dated 8/30/01 7:08:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, monkey@getgoin.net writes: > This Moses Martin as was told is not my Moses L Martin because my Moses > always used the L for Lydell in all his records. Now if this not my Moses > who his he? Janet

I think it may have varied with the place, time, and census taker. I know that in the 1850 census in North Carolina, my husband's g-g-g-grandfather, then a teen-aged boy, showed up twice--once at home with his family and once in a household where he must have worked as a hired hand. At 07:45 PM 8/29/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have question for you all. >If family is living with a family when the Census taker came around would >the family that is visiting be list just with family. So they would not be >in Census. >James P in 1870 Montgomery Co.TX. Could Moses Martin be with this family so >they are listed. >I did find Frances Martin but in 5 countries in TX. Which one is which is >you guess as good as my > >Janet >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Martin" <fmartin@tstar.net> >To: "Magers, Ruby" <magers@tsixroads.com>; "Alexander, Karen" ><KAlexan254@aol.com>; <Martin-L@rootsweb.com>; "Martin, Stacey" ><magicm@mybluelight.com>; " Inzer, Reba" <rsinzer@msn.com>; "Thomas, Grace >Pratt" <gracepthomas@juno.com>; " Nelson, Geoff" <geoffn@netdex.com>; " >WARDLAW, Juanita" <ddoright@cox-internet.com>; " ariciu, janet" ><monkey@getgoin.net>; "Glenn, Clay" <Glenn209@aol.com>; "Mills, Julia" ><r1j1mills@juno.com>; "Evans, Jane" <djevans1@mindspring.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:57 PM >Subject: [Fwd: Martins] > > > > Hi Folks: > > Here is some good looking data Janet turned up. Please check out the > > parts you know and give me any corrections I should make to the tree. > > Frank > > > > Janet Ariciu wrote: > > > > > > 1840 Census > > > > > > |First Name | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100| | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100 > > > > > > 220 193 Martin William 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 0 0 0 1 > > > 221 211 Martin William 3 0 2 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 221 213 Martin Robert A. 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 214 Martin John 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > > > > 221 223 Martin Seth 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 >0 0 > > > 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 > > > 221 225 Martin John R. 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 218 131 Martin Wm. R. 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 230 500 Martin Wm. 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 >0 > > > 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > > > > MISSISSIPPI TERRITORIAL & STATE CENSUS TISHOMINGO CO. > > > 1837 > > > Found one Martin > > > > > > Martin, Matthew R. 7 > > > > > > 1845 Territorial & State Census Tishomingo Co. Ms. > > > Martin, John 4-8 > > > Martin, S. C. 4-3 > > > Martin, Joseph 1-3 > > > Martin, William 5-4 > > > Martin, S.P. 4-1 > > > Martin, R. A. 5-2 > > > Martin, S.G. 2-2 > > > Martin, John 3-5 > > > Martin,Sam 4-3 > > > Martin, J.T. 2-1 > > > Martin, William R. 6-6 > > > Martin, Mathew 1-1 > > > Martin, Ambrorse 3-4 > > > Martin, Henry 3-2 > > > Martin, William 2-3 > > > Martin, W. 3-2 > > > Martinr Margaret 2-4 > > > Martin, John 1-2 > > > Martin, Larking 5-4 > > > > > > TISHOMINGO CO., MS BIRTH INFORMATION: RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY IN >1917-18 > > > AND PERSONS WITH LINKS TO THIS COUNTY > > > > > > Martin, Admiral 11 Aug 1900 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Albert Sydney 7 Oct 1894 W Itawamba >Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Alton 31 Aug 1896 W Itawamba >Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Archie Anderson Dec 1894 W Booneville >MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Berry Lee 6 Nov 1887 W Madison AL > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Clarence (Clarenc) 19 Feb 1892 B Iuka MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, Clayton Richard 21 Jul 1882 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Ector 31 Jul 1890 W Itawamba >Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Finos 24 Jan 1889 B Highland MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Fred 9 Mar 1892 B Tishomingo >MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, Fred Gordon 1 Aug 1887 W Dennis MS > > > Itawamba MS > > > Martin, Garven Chester 14 Jan 1899 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Homer 8 Feb 1900 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Hose 20 Jul 1886 B Burnt Mills >MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, James Monroe 27 Oct 1890 W Longsville >MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, James Willie Nov 1884 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, John 4 Jul 1874 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, John Drew 24 Aug 1883 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Stone Blondell 15 Jan 1889 W Tuscumbia >AL > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William 11 Nov 1887 B Iuka MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, William Alexanda 25 Aug 1874 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Lee 24 Dec 1876 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Norman 15 Mar 1876 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Winston 14 Mar 1884 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Willie Nathaniel 7 Mar 1894 W Itawamba >Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > > > > Marriage Bonds 1850-1853 > > > > > > Martin, James Fuges, Nancy 29 OCT 1851 > > > Martin, Thomas P. Harris, Lanzy C. 17 DEC 1853 > > > Martin, William S. Holly, Lucy 25 APR 1855 > > > > > > Frank is this our William S Martin??? > > > > > > Minute Book A 1867-1870 > > > Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > > > > > > Martin & Merrill 3 November 1867 > > > Martin & Merrill 18 February 1868 > > > Martin & Merrill 32 May 1868 > > > Martin & Merrill 49 August 1868 > > > Martin G.C. 81 August 1869 > > > Martin J.D. 3 November 1867 > > > Martin J.D. 32 May 1868 > > > > > > 1841-1847 > > > Civil Cases > > > Old Tishomingo County, MS > > > 1841-1847 Civil Cases Docket for Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > > > > > > 1841 > > > 8. W.W. Downs vs. J.P. & W.C. Martin > > > Cases carried up to Circuit Court by Appeal > > > Lewis Clarke vs. Wm. Martin & others > > > > > > OLD TISHOMINGO COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI LETTER BOOK NO. 2 > > > CIRCUIT COURT 1842 - 1844 > > > > > > Record in Office of Chancery Clerk, Alcorn Co., Corinth,Ms.) > > > This index pinpoints the presence of persons in this area in an interval > > > between censuses. Names are listed only 2 or 3 times although many, such >as > > > Court officials, were found repeatedly. The majority of cases dealt with > > > debts, many originating in other counties and states, giving insight >into > > > migration patterns. There were two murder cases; two divorce cases; a >number > > > of theft and assault matters; and several having to do with >mismanagement of > > > funds by public officials. Reading of a few pages from this volume >provides > > > a unique insight into the life and times of the area. > > > Transcriberd by Wordna Threadgill Wicker > > > MARTIN, H.A. Judge Ferry Co., Tn. 431 > > > MARTIN, JAMES R. Plaintiff, Roane Co., Tn. 428 > > > MARTIN, JOHN R. Plaintiff 169 > > > MARTIN, J.Y. Defendant 378 > > > MARTIN, JOHN Juror 109 > > > MARTIN, THOMAS Pulask,Tenn 198 > > > > > > Old Tishomingo County, > > > Mississippi > > > Probate Court Records > > > > > > Martin Abram 84 Dec. term 1855 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 84 Dec. term 1855 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 90 Jan. term 1856 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 96 Feb. term 1856 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 97 Feb. term 1856 > > > > > > Frances Martin told his family history that some William and Virginia >were > > > in Civil War and some died there > > > Graves of Civil War Veterans > > > In > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > > > Martin, Ambrose - 1838 1922 MS Inf. Friendship > > > Martin, James - N/M wife: here - - - 26 MS Inf. Friendship > > > > > > Union Veterans and Widows > > > Eleventh Census of the United States > > > 1890 > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > > > > > > Samuel S. Martin > > > House# - 2 > > > Family# - 2 > > > Rank - Private > > > Company - J > > > Reg. - 4 -S.C.- Inf > > > Enlisted - Jan. 18, 1861 > > > Discharge - May 1865 > > > Length of Service - 4yrs-4mos > > > Post-Office Address - Carterville > > > Disability Incurred - (None Listed) > > > > > > (note: This information had lines in it.) > > > > > > Civil War Applications (Partial List) > > > 57. Martin, Ambrose (Catharine) 26th Mississippi Infantry > > > 58. Martin, G.B.H. 11th Alabama Calvary > > > 59. Martin, James (Salina J.) 26th Mississippi Infantry > > > > > > Thirty-Second Mississippi Regiment > > > Martin, Jim > > > Martin, Peter > > > Martin, R.M. * > > > > > > Enumeration > > > of > > > Confederate Soldiers and Widows > > > > > > Martin, Mrs.S.J. Miss A 26 77 1862 W > > > Martin, A. Miss A 26 71 1861 S > > > > > > Cemeteries of Tishomingo County > > > Mississippi > > > Martin Cemetery Who is buried here? > > > > > > Marriage Bonds 1839 > > > Old Tishomingo County > > > Listed by GROOMS > > > Norwood, G.W. Martin, Nancy J. Aug. 21, > > > > > > Roddy's Cavalry > > > > > > W.C. Martin, Second Lieutenant > > > > > > Now on to Texas > > > > > > Hunting for Moses and James P to many Frances found here > > > You ask where was our Martins 1870 Census in Texas. Well I found them. > > > First is Frances, I found 5 Frances Martin in 1870 Census index in >Texas. > > > These are the counties for him. > > > Nacogdoches; Hardin; Henderson; Hood; Hopkins and Van Zandt Counties in > > > Texas. > > > James P Martin is found in Montgomery Co. The town name The Woodlands is >in > > > this country just south of Huntsville, TX. Moses Martin is found Falls > > > County, TX just southeast of Waco, TX. > > > > > > marriages > > > 9-29-1870 Chesley P. Kennedy--Mary A. Martin > > > In Falles County, TX. > > > > > > Nothine else in Montgomery or Falls for the men list on 1870 Census. >The > > > 1870 was not post either > > > > > > Janet > > > >

This Moses Martin as was told is not my Moses L Martin because my Moses always used the L for Lydell in all his records. Now if this not my Moses who his he? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <jandsnyder@earthlink.net> To: <MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > Hello Janet........ > > The following is the only Moses MARTIN listed in the Heritage Quest 1870 > Texas Census Index.......... MARTIN MOSES 12 > M M TX FALLS MARLIN P O 1584 111 > > I'll try to answer the question about the second family living in the same > household...... Often there is 2 or more families living in the same > household....... As for the census index part of it........ the transcriber > is suppose to list the "EXTRAS"....... however... based on my experience at > looking at lots and lots of films... that's not always the case........ You > will have to look at the actual census images of various families that are > connected to your family in the county that is in question........ > > Sorry that I can't be of more help....... > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@alaweb.com> > To: <MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:16 PM > Subject: RE: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > > > | My guess would be that if a person was actually "living" with the family > | being enumerated, then they would be listed. If they were there just for > a > | short visit; probably not. I suppose, though, it would have depended on > the > | astuteness of the census-taker, also. One might do a search on the web > for > | the instructions for census takers for that census, to see if there were > | procedures spelled out. I have seen that for all the censuses once; but > | don't recall where on the web. > | > | Jim Gilmer > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: Janet Ariciu [mailto:monkey@getgoin.net] > | > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:46 PM > | > To: MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com > | > Subject: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > | > > | > > | > I have question for you all. > | > If family is living with a family when the Census taker came around > would > | > the family that is visiting be list just with family. So they would not > be > | > in Census. > | > James P in 1870 Montgomery Co.TX. Could Moses Martin be with > | > this family so > | > they are listed. > | > I did find Frances Martin but in 5 countries in TX. Which one is which > is > | > you guess as good as my > | > > | > Janet > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Frank Martin" <fmartin@tstar.net> > | > To: "Magers, Ruby" <magers@tsixroads.com>; "Alexander, Karen" > | > <KAlexan254@aol.com>; <Martin-L@rootsweb.com>; "Martin, Stacey" > | > <magicm@mybluelight.com>; " Inzer, Reba" <rsinzer@msn.com>; "Thomas, > Grace > | > Pratt" <gracepthomas@juno.com>; " Nelson, Geoff" <geoffn@netdex.com>; " > | > WARDLAW, Juanita" <ddoright@cox-internet.com>; " ariciu, janet" > | > <monkey@getgoin.net>; "Glenn, Clay" <Glenn209@aol.com>; "Mills, Julia" > | > <r1j1mills@juno.com>; "Evans, Jane" <djevans1@mindspring.com> > | > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:57 PM > | > Subject: [Fwd: Martins] > | > > | > > | > > Hi Folks: > | > > Here is some good looking data Janet turned up. Please check out the > | > > parts you know and give me any corrections I should make to the tree. > | > > Frank > | > > > | > > Janet Ariciu wrote: > | > > > > | > > > 1840 Census > | > > > > | > > > |First Name | > | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100| | > | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100 > | > > > > | > > > 220 193 Martin William 0 0 0 0 1 0 > | > 0 0 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 0 0 0 1 > | > > > 221 211 Martin William 3 0 2 1 1 0 > | > 0 1 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > 221 213 Martin Robert A. 0 2 1 0 0 1 > | > 0 0 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > 214 Martin John 1 1 0 0 > | > 0 1 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > > | > > > 221 223 Martin Seth 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 > 0 > | > 0 0 > | > > > 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 > | > > > 221 225 Martin John R. 1 0 1 0 0 0 > | > 1 0 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > 218 131 Martin Wm. R. 1 1 1 0 0 0 > | > 1 0 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > 230 500 Martin Wm. 0 1 0 0 0 1 > | > 0 0 0 0 > | > 0 > | > > > 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > | > > > > | > > > MISSISSIPPI TERRITORIAL & STATE CENSUS TISHOMINGO CO. > | > > > 1837 > | > > > Found one Martin > | > > > > | > > > Martin, Matthew R. 7 > | > > > > | > > > 1845 Territorial & State Census Tishomingo Co. Ms. > | > > > Martin, John 4-8 > | > > > Martin, S. C. 4-3 > | > > > Martin, Joseph 1-3 > | > > > Martin, William 5-4 > | > > > Martin, S.P. 4-1 > | > > > Martin, R. A. 5-2 > | > > > Martin, S.G. 2-2 > | > > > Martin, John 3-5 > | > > > Martin,Sam 4-3 > | > > > Martin, J.T. 2-1 > | > > > Martin, William R. 6-6 > | > > > Martin, Mathew 1-1 > | > > > Martin, Ambrorse 3-4 > | > > > Martin, Henry 3-2 > | > > > Martin, William 2-3 > | > > > Martin, W. 3-2 > | > > > Martinr Margaret 2-4 > | > > > Martin, John 1-2 > | > > > Martin, Larking 5-4 > | > > > > | > > > TISHOMINGO CO., MS BIRTH INFORMATION: RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY IN > | > 1917-18 > | > > > AND PERSONS WITH LINKS TO THIS COUNTY > | > > > > | > > > Martin, Admiral 11 Aug 1900 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Albert Sydney 7 Oct 1894 W > Itawamba > | > Co. MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Alton 31 Aug 1896 W > Itawamba > | > Co. MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Archie Anderson Dec 1894 W > | > Booneville > | > MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Berry Lee 6 Nov 1887 W > | > Madison AL > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Clarence (Clarenc) 19 Feb 1892 B Iuka > MS > | > > > Sunflower MS > | > > > Martin, Clayton Richard 21 Jul 1882 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Ector 31 Jul 1890 W > Itawamba > | > Co. MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Finos 24 Jan 1889 B > | > Highland MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Fred 9 Mar 1892 B > | > Tishomingo > | > MS > | > > > Sunflower MS > | > > > Martin, Fred Gordon 1 Aug 1887 W Dennis > MS > | > > > Itawamba MS > | > > > Martin, Garven Chester 14 Jan 1899 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Homer 8 Feb 1900 B > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Hose 20 Jul 1886 B > | > Burnt Mills > | > MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, James Monroe 27 Oct 1890 W > | > Longsville > | > MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, James Willie Nov 1884 B > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, John 4 Jul 1874 B > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, John Drew 24 Aug 1883 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Stone Blondell 15 Jan 1889 W > Tuscumbia > | > AL > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, William 11 Nov 1887 B Iuka > MS > | > > > Sunflower MS > | > > > Martin, William Alexanda 25 Aug 1874 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, William Lee 24 Dec 1876 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, William Norman 15 Mar 1876 W > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, William Winston 14 Mar 1884 B > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > Martin, Willie Nathaniel 7 Mar 1894 W > Itawamba > | > Co. MS > | > > > Tishomingo MS > | > > > > | > > > Marriage Bonds 1850-1853 > | > > > > | > > > Martin, James Fuges, Nancy 29 OCT 1851 > | > > > Martin, Thomas P. Harris, Lanzy C. 17 DEC 1853 > | > > > Martin, William S. Holly, Lucy 25 APR 1855 > | > > > > | > > > Frank is this our William S Martin??? > | > > > > | > > > Minute Book A 1867-1870 > | > > > Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > | > > > > | > > > Martin & Merrill 3 November 1867 > | > > > Martin & Merrill 18 February 1868 > | > > > Martin & Merrill 32 May 1868 > | > > > Martin & Merrill 49 August 1868 > | > > > Martin G.C. 81 August 1869 > | > > > Martin J.D. 3 November 1867 > | > > > Martin J.D. 32 May 1868 > | > > > > | > > > 1841-1847 > | > > > Civil Cases > | > > > Old Tishomingo County, MS > | > > > 1841-1847 Civil Cases Docket for Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > | > > > > | > > > 1841 > | > > > 8. W.W. Downs vs. J.P. & W.C. Martin > | > > > Cases carried up to Circuit Court by Appeal > | > > > Lewis Clarke vs. Wm. Martin & others > | > > > > | > > > OLD TISHOMINGO COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI LETTER BOOK NO. 2 > | > > > CIRCUIT COURT 1842 - 1844 > | > > > > | > > > Record in Office of Chancery Clerk, Alcorn Co., Corinth,Ms.) > | > > > This index pinpoints the presence of persons in this area in > | > an interval > | > > > between censuses. Names are listed only 2 or 3 times although > | > many, such > | > as > | > > > Court officials, were found repeatedly. The majority of cases > | > dealt with > | > > > debts, many originating in other counties and states, giving > insight > | > into > | > > > migration patterns. There were two murder cases; two divorce cases; > a > | > number > | > > > of theft and assault matters; and several having to do with > | > mismanagement of > | > > > funds by public officials. Reading of a few pages from this volume > | > provides > | > > > a unique insight into the life and times of the area. > | > > > Transcriberd by Wordna Threadgill Wicker > | > > > MARTIN, H.A. Judge Ferry Co., Tn. 431 > | > > > MARTIN, JAMES R. Plaintiff, Roane Co., Tn. 428 > | > > > MARTIN, JOHN R. Plaintiff 169 > | > > > MARTIN, J.Y. Defendant 378 > | > > > MARTIN, JOHN Juror 109 > | > > > MARTIN, THOMAS Pulask,Tenn 198 > | > > > > | > > > Old Tishomingo County, > | > > > Mississippi > | > > > Probate Court Records > | > > > > | > > > Martin Abram 84 Dec. term 1855 > | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 84 Dec. term 1855 > | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 90 Jan. term 1856 > | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 96 Feb. term 1856 > | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 97 Feb. term 1856 > | > > > > | > > > Frances Martin told his family history that some William and > Virginia > | > were > | > > > in Civil War and some died there > | > > > Graves of Civil War Veterans > | > > > In > | > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > | > > > Martin, Ambrose - 1838 1922 MS Inf. Friendship > | > > > Martin, James - N/M wife: here - - - 26 MS Inf. Friendship > | > > > > | > > > Union Veterans and Widows > | > > > Eleventh Census of the United States > | > > > 1890 > | > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > | > > > > | > > > Samuel S. Martin > | > > > House# - 2 > | > > > Family# - 2 > | > > > Rank - Private > | > > > Company - J > | > > > Reg. - 4 -S.C.- Inf > | > > > Enlisted - Jan. 18, 1861 > | > > > Discharge - May 1865 > | > > > Length of Service - 4yrs-4mos > | > > > Post-Office Address - Carterville > | > > > Disability Incurred - (None Listed) > | > > > > | > > > (note: This information had lines in it.) > | > > > > | > > > Civil War Applications (Partial List) > | > > > 57. Martin, Ambrose (Catharine) 26th Mississippi Infantry > | > > > 58. Martin, G.B.H. 11th Alabama Calvary > | > > > 59. Martin, James (Salina J.) 26th Mississippi Infantry > | > > > > | > > > Thirty-Second Mississippi Regiment > | > > > Martin, Jim > | > > > Martin, Peter > | > > > Martin, R.M. * > | > > > > | > > > Enumeration > | > > > of > | > > > Confederate Soldiers and Widows > | > > > > | > > > Martin, Mrs.S.J. Miss A 26 77 1862 W > | > > > Martin, A. Miss A 26 71 1861 S > | > > > > | > > > Cemeteries of Tishomingo County > | > > > Mississippi > | > > > Martin Cemetery Who is buried here? > | > > > > | > > > Marriage Bonds 1839 > | > > > Old Tishomingo County > | > > > Listed by GROOMS > | > > > Norwood, G.W. Martin, Nancy J. Aug. 21, > | > > > > | > > > Roddy's Cavalry > | > > > > | > > > W.C. Martin, Second Lieutenant > | > > > > | > > > Now on to Texas > | > > > > | > > > Hunting for Moses and James P to many Frances found here > | > > > You ask where was our Martins 1870 Census in Texas. Well I found > them. > | > > > First is Frances, I found 5 Frances Martin in 1870 Census index in > | > Texas. > | > > > These are the counties for him. > | > > > Nacogdoches; Hardin; Henderson; Hood; Hopkins and Van Zandt > | > Counties in > | > > > Texas. > | > > > James P Martin is found in Montgomery Co. The town name The > | > Woodlands is > | > in > | > > > this country just south of Huntsville, TX. Moses Martin is > | > found Falls > | > > > County, TX just southeast of Waco, TX. > | > > > > | > > > marriages > | > > > 9-29-1870 Chesley P. Kennedy--Mary A. Martin > | > > > In Falles County, TX. > | > > > > | > > > Nothine else in Montgomery or Falls for the men list on 1870 > Census. > | > The > | > > > 1870 was not post either > | > > > > | > > > Janet > | > > > | > > > | > > | > | > > >

For all you that answer my question on Visit and Census takers. THANK YOU. I have one question for you all. What if the family is on the move. Do the Census takers not list them for they are not in house? A wagon is not a house so they can not be list? I have family that can not be found and that is only thing we can see could have happen. What do you all think. There is place were up can find the Census takers rules and question. But my computer crash and I lost it. I do remember one thing if a child is under 1 do not list the child. I have one born after 1838 before 1840 Census but is not on the list in Greene County,TN. I have read the originial myself.. I order the same census twice to make sure and she is not there. One more a friend of my ancestor was visiting a friend down the road and was list there. He when home before the Census taker got his house. When Census taker got to his house he as counted there too.

In a message dated 8/30/01 12:24:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: << You gotta remember in the old days all that copying was done by hand!!!! No scanners, copy machines, etc. Easy to make a mistake in transcribing for the extra copies they had to make!! >> This reminded me of a joke I think you'll enjoy. I found this version on the internet from a Prairie Home Companion joke website http://phc.mpr.org/activities/19990410_jokeshow/jokes/0405_10.htm I heard a different version. .. Started out in Middle Ages monastery with young monk being asked by older priest to recopy copies of recopied. Young monk8 questions something, so priest goes to bowels of the monastery to find the original, and is later discovered by worried young monk in the same state as the pope below.. Hope you enjoy it. Janet Hunter The Pope dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter meets him at the Pearly Gates and begins telling him that he was the most holy man who had lived in a long time. "And since you've been so good, we're going to give you the premium package to heaven. You want an audience with God, you've got it. You want to talk to somebody, you've got it. Is there anything else I can do for you?" he asks. "Well," the Pope says, "Do you have a library here? There are some inner issues I want settled, you know, what God really said to people." "Sure," said St. Peter. "It's right over there."So the Pope goes into to the library, and he has a wonderful time. He starts looking through all the books, exclaiming over this and that. A little later there is a horrible racket coming from the library. The angels rush in, and the Pope is throwing books around, breaking chairs and screaming "It had an 'R'! There was an 'R'!" The angels come up to him, and say, "Pope, what's the matter?" He looks over at them and says, "It had an 'R'! It's celeBRATE!" Other version -- http://members.tripod.com/~LordMidknight/humour/mon.html In a remote monastery . . . a new monk arrived to dedicate his life and to join the others copying ancient religious documents and records. The first thing he noticed was that they were copying by hand from books that had already been copied from earlier copies by hand. He had to speak up. "Forgive me, Father Justinian, but copying other copies by hand allows many chances for error. How do we know we aren't copying someone else's mistakes? Are they ever checked against the originals?" Father Justinian was startled! No one had ever suggested that before. "I will take one of these latest copies down to the vault and study it against the original document." So Father Justinian went deep into the vault where no one else was ever allowed to enter, found the original source, and started to study. The day passed, and it was getting late. The old man had even missed the evening meal. Finally a senior monk went down into the vault to find the old man and as he approached the reading room, he heard sobbing, deep gasping sobs. "Father Justinian?", he called. "Are you alright?" The old priest raised his tear stained face. "Oh, my Lord," cried Father Justinian as he pointed a palsied hand to the two books, the ancient text and the most recently copied copy, " the word is not 'celibate', it's 'celebrate'

In a message dated 08/29/2001 8:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jleehunt1@aol.com writes: << << So what your are saying, is to look in other family members' household censuses, if you might suspect someone was left off the census. >> >> Just had another thought regarding census. Now, this one was weird. A volunteer sent me via e-mail some information from a transcribed census. It included information much as I expected. I had a later census which listed children but only giving initials. This information was great. When I ran across the actual film I wanted to get a copy of the actual census. One of the children was not listed on the film. I actually called the person who did the transcription because I could not understand how he could include a child that was not on the original census. He had not a clue. Said he copied what he saw. Sometime later I was told that each census was later transcribed/copied and a copy was left in each county, state and one for the Federal Government. I could not say for a fact that this is true, but the person who transcribed this census had definitely seen a different copy than the one I was viewing at the LDS History center.

Janet, Just to add to the comments about census takers. I understand that the census takers were paid by the person/household for their work so they would be more inclined to include a person visiting another family. I have seen entire families entered twice in the same county. They had evidently moved and were counted more than once. It used to take several years to complete each census, (thus children born a year after the census year were counted). It would also work in reverse and a family could relocate to an area where the cenus had been taken from an area that had not been enumerated. I have heard that an average of 10% of the population was missed in each census. :( Sad! I also heard that in these most recent years as many as 60% of low income families are were not counted in a county near my home. Clarice n a message dated 08/29/2001 8:17:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: << Janet, You are right; it just depended on how the census taker handled it. In the case you mention, most likely the census taker in Washington Co., Tenn took a list of all the children from the parent informant; whether or not he (the census taker)was aware that Ellen was away on a visit with her grandfather we'll never know. At the same time, the census taker in Greene Co., Tn included Ellen with the enumeration of her grandfather's family there. Again as to what details were given him about her "visit", we obviously don't know. So what your are saying, is to look in other family members' household censuses, if you might suspect someone was left off the census. It could have happened that under the same situation you described, in terms of a child visiting with grandparents, that the child was not listed in either place. Jim >>

In a message dated 8/29/01 11:17:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: << So what your are saying, is to look in other family members' household censuses, if you might suspect someone was left off the census. >> I think this especially true as they get to be older teens. Boys going to help a family out that needs farm hands; girls going to lend helping hand in caring for elderly or younger children. Same age, but separate from family households, teens were sometimes either formally or informally bound out to another household to learn a trade. My 3 g grandfather Lipscomb WASH, then an orphan was bound out in Louisa Co VA 1780s at about age 12 to a millright. The fellow Lewis Johnson (and a later son) took on several youths over the years. Johnson lived in Powhatan Co, and the rest is history as they say. Janet Hunter (I think us Janets maybe should use our Last names?)

Yep, You gotta remember in the old days all that copying was done by hand!!!! No scanners, copy machines, etc. Easy to make a mistake in transcribing for the extra copies they had to make!! Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: JCMartin01@aol.com [mailto:JCMartin01@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:53 PM > To: MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > > > In a message dated 08/29/2001 8:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jleehunt1@aol.com writes: > > << << So what your are saying, is to look in other family > members' household > censuses, if you might suspect someone was left off the census. > >> >> > Just had another thought regarding census. Now, this one was weird. A > volunteer sent me via e-mail some information from a transcribed > census. It > included information much as I expected. I had a later census > which listed > children but only giving initials. This information was great. > When I ran > across the actual film I wanted to get a copy of the actual > census. One of > the children was not listed on the film. I actually called the > person who > did the transcription because I could not understand how he could > include a > child that was not on the original census. He had not a clue. Said he > copied what he saw. Sometime later I was told that each census was later > transcribed/copied and a copy was left in each county, state and > one for the > Federal Government. I could not say for a fact that this is > true, but the > person who transcribed this census had definitely seen a > different copy than > the one I was viewing at the LDS History center. >

In a message dated 8/29/01 10:24:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: << My guess would be that if a person was actually "living" with the family being enumerated, then they would be listed. If they were there just for a short visit; probably not. >> You just never can tell FYI, I have an Ellen Horton, age 12 ( d/o Joseph M. (Martin I think) & Margaret Caldwell) who is listed with her parents in 1850 Washington Co TN Census AND with her Caldwell grandfather and cousins in the 1850 Greene Co TN Census. She is the granddaughter of Isaac Horton & Margaret MARTIN, who I believe is the daughter of Joseph Martin, d. 1820s in Washington Co TN (about whom I did a post back in June I think). Still looking for info on Joseph and his family, ancestors (two sons Michael H. and Samuel). Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter

Janet, You are right; it just depended on how the census taker handled it. In the case you mention, most likely the census taker in Washington Co., Tenn took a list of all the children from the parent informant; whether or not he (the census taker)was aware that Ellen was away on a visit with her grandfather we'll never know. At the same time, the census taker in Greene Co., Tn included Ellen with the enumeration of her grandfather's family there. Again as to what details were given him about her "visit", we obviously don't know. So what your are saying, is to look in other family members' household censuses, if you might suspect someone was left off the census. It could have happened that under the same situation you described, in terms of a child visiting with grandparents, that the child was not listed in either place. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: jleehunt1@aol.com [mailto:jleehunt1@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:40 PM > To: MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > > > In a message dated 8/29/01 10:24:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: > > << > My guess would be that if a person was actually "living" with the family > being enumerated, then they would be listed. If they were there > just for a > short visit; probably not. >> > > You just never can tell FYI, I have an Ellen Horton, age 12 ( > d/o Joseph M. > (Martin I think) & Margaret Caldwell) who is listed with her > parents in 1850 > Washington Co TN Census AND with her Caldwell grandfather and > cousins in the > 1850 Greene Co TN Census. > > She is the granddaughter of Isaac Horton & Margaret MARTIN, who I > believe is > the daughter of Joseph Martin, d. 1820s in Washington Co TN > (about whom I did > a post back in June I think). Still looking for info on Joseph and his > family, ancestors (two sons Michael H. and Samuel). > > Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter >

My guess would be that if a person was actually "living" with the family being enumerated, then they would be listed. If they were there just for a short visit; probably not. I suppose, though, it would have depended on the astuteness of the census-taker, also. One might do a search on the web for the instructions for census takers for that census, to see if there were procedures spelled out. I have seen that for all the censuses once; but don't recall where on the web. Jim Gilmer > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Ariciu [mailto:monkey@getgoin.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:46 PM > To: MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] > > > I have question for you all. > If family is living with a family when the Census taker came around would > the family that is visiting be list just with family. So they would not be > in Census. > James P in 1870 Montgomery Co.TX. Could Moses Martin be with > this family so > they are listed. > I did find Frances Martin but in 5 countries in TX. Which one is which is > you guess as good as my > > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Martin" <fmartin@tstar.net> > To: "Magers, Ruby" <magers@tsixroads.com>; "Alexander, Karen" > <KAlexan254@aol.com>; <Martin-L@rootsweb.com>; "Martin, Stacey" > <magicm@mybluelight.com>; " Inzer, Reba" <rsinzer@msn.com>; "Thomas, Grace > Pratt" <gracepthomas@juno.com>; " Nelson, Geoff" <geoffn@netdex.com>; " > WARDLAW, Juanita" <ddoright@cox-internet.com>; " ariciu, janet" > <monkey@getgoin.net>; "Glenn, Clay" <Glenn209@aol.com>; "Mills, Julia" > <r1j1mills@juno.com>; "Evans, Jane" <djevans1@mindspring.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:57 PM > Subject: [Fwd: Martins] > > > > Hi Folks: > > Here is some good looking data Janet turned up. Please check out the > > parts you know and give me any corrections I should make to the tree. > > Frank > > > > Janet Ariciu wrote: > > > > > > 1840 Census > > > > > > |First Name | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100| | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100 > > > > > > 220 193 Martin William 0 0 0 0 1 0 > 0 0 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 0 0 0 1 > > > 221 211 Martin William 3 0 2 1 1 0 > 0 1 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 221 213 Martin Robert A. 0 2 1 0 0 1 > 0 0 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 214 Martin John 1 1 0 0 > 0 1 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > > > > 221 223 Martin Seth 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 > 0 0 > > > 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 > > > 221 225 Martin John R. 1 0 1 0 0 0 > 1 0 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 218 131 Martin Wm. R. 1 1 1 0 0 0 > 1 0 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > 230 500 Martin Wm. 0 1 0 0 0 1 > 0 0 0 0 > 0 > > > 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > > > > MISSISSIPPI TERRITORIAL & STATE CENSUS TISHOMINGO CO. > > > 1837 > > > Found one Martin > > > > > > Martin, Matthew R. 7 > > > > > > 1845 Territorial & State Census Tishomingo Co. Ms. > > > Martin, John 4-8 > > > Martin, S. C. 4-3 > > > Martin, Joseph 1-3 > > > Martin, William 5-4 > > > Martin, S.P. 4-1 > > > Martin, R. A. 5-2 > > > Martin, S.G. 2-2 > > > Martin, John 3-5 > > > Martin,Sam 4-3 > > > Martin, J.T. 2-1 > > > Martin, William R. 6-6 > > > Martin, Mathew 1-1 > > > Martin, Ambrorse 3-4 > > > Martin, Henry 3-2 > > > Martin, William 2-3 > > > Martin, W. 3-2 > > > Martinr Margaret 2-4 > > > Martin, John 1-2 > > > Martin, Larking 5-4 > > > > > > TISHOMINGO CO., MS BIRTH INFORMATION: RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY IN > 1917-18 > > > AND PERSONS WITH LINKS TO THIS COUNTY > > > > > > Martin, Admiral 11 Aug 1900 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Albert Sydney 7 Oct 1894 W Itawamba > Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Alton 31 Aug 1896 W Itawamba > Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Archie Anderson Dec 1894 W > Booneville > MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Berry Lee 6 Nov 1887 W > Madison AL > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Clarence (Clarenc) 19 Feb 1892 B Iuka MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, Clayton Richard 21 Jul 1882 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Ector 31 Jul 1890 W Itawamba > Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Finos 24 Jan 1889 B > Highland MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Fred 9 Mar 1892 B > Tishomingo > MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, Fred Gordon 1 Aug 1887 W Dennis MS > > > Itawamba MS > > > Martin, Garven Chester 14 Jan 1899 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Homer 8 Feb 1900 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Hose 20 Jul 1886 B > Burnt Mills > MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, James Monroe 27 Oct 1890 W > Longsville > MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, James Willie Nov 1884 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, John 4 Jul 1874 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, John Drew 24 Aug 1883 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Stone Blondell 15 Jan 1889 W Tuscumbia > AL > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William 11 Nov 1887 B Iuka MS > > > Sunflower MS > > > Martin, William Alexanda 25 Aug 1874 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Lee 24 Dec 1876 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Norman 15 Mar 1876 W > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, William Winston 14 Mar 1884 B > > > Tishomingo MS > > > Martin, Willie Nathaniel 7 Mar 1894 W Itawamba > Co. MS > > > Tishomingo MS > > > > > > Marriage Bonds 1850-1853 > > > > > > Martin, James Fuges, Nancy 29 OCT 1851 > > > Martin, Thomas P. Harris, Lanzy C. 17 DEC 1853 > > > Martin, William S. Holly, Lucy 25 APR 1855 > > > > > > Frank is this our William S Martin??? > > > > > > Minute Book A 1867-1870 > > > Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > > > > > > Martin & Merrill 3 November 1867 > > > Martin & Merrill 18 February 1868 > > > Martin & Merrill 32 May 1868 > > > Martin & Merrill 49 August 1868 > > > Martin G.C. 81 August 1869 > > > Martin J.D. 3 November 1867 > > > Martin J.D. 32 May 1868 > > > > > > 1841-1847 > > > Civil Cases > > > Old Tishomingo County, MS > > > 1841-1847 Civil Cases Docket for Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi > > > > > > 1841 > > > 8. W.W. Downs vs. J.P. & W.C. Martin > > > Cases carried up to Circuit Court by Appeal > > > Lewis Clarke vs. Wm. Martin & others > > > > > > OLD TISHOMINGO COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI LETTER BOOK NO. 2 > > > CIRCUIT COURT 1842 - 1844 > > > > > > Record in Office of Chancery Clerk, Alcorn Co., Corinth,Ms.) > > > This index pinpoints the presence of persons in this area in > an interval > > > between censuses. Names are listed only 2 or 3 times although > many, such > as > > > Court officials, were found repeatedly. The majority of cases > dealt with > > > debts, many originating in other counties and states, giving insight > into > > > migration patterns. There were two murder cases; two divorce cases; a > number > > > of theft and assault matters; and several having to do with > mismanagement of > > > funds by public officials. Reading of a few pages from this volume > provides > > > a unique insight into the life and times of the area. > > > Transcriberd by Wordna Threadgill Wicker > > > MARTIN, H.A. Judge Ferry Co., Tn. 431 > > > MARTIN, JAMES R. Plaintiff, Roane Co., Tn. 428 > > > MARTIN, JOHN R. Plaintiff 169 > > > MARTIN, J.Y. Defendant 378 > > > MARTIN, JOHN Juror 109 > > > MARTIN, THOMAS Pulask,Tenn 198 > > > > > > Old Tishomingo County, > > > Mississippi > > > Probate Court Records > > > > > > Martin Abram 84 Dec. term 1855 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 84 Dec. term 1855 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 90 Jan. term 1856 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 96 Feb. term 1856 > > > Martin Abram, deceased 97 Feb. term 1856 > > > > > > Frances Martin told his family history that some William and Virginia > were > > > in Civil War and some died there > > > Graves of Civil War Veterans > > > In > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > > > Martin, Ambrose - 1838 1922 MS Inf. Friendship > > > Martin, James - N/M wife: here - - - 26 MS Inf. Friendship > > > > > > Union Veterans and Widows > > > Eleventh Census of the United States > > > 1890 > > > Tishomingo County Ms. > > > > > > Samuel S. Martin > > > House# - 2 > > > Family# - 2 > > > Rank - Private > > > Company - J > > > Reg. - 4 -S.C.- Inf > > > Enlisted - Jan. 18, 1861 > > > Discharge - May 1865 > > > Length of Service - 4yrs-4mos > > > Post-Office Address - Carterville > > > Disability Incurred - (None Listed) > > > > > > (note: This information had lines in it.) > > > > > > Civil War Applications (Partial List) > > > 57. Martin, Ambrose (Catharine) 26th Mississippi Infantry > > > 58. Martin, G.B.H. 11th Alabama Calvary > > > 59. Martin, James (Salina J.) 26th Mississippi Infantry > > > > > > Thirty-Second Mississippi Regiment > > > Martin, Jim > > > Martin, Peter > > > Martin, R.M. * > > > > > > Enumeration > > > of > > > Confederate Soldiers and Widows > > > > > > Martin, Mrs.S.J. Miss A 26 77 1862 W > > > Martin, A. Miss A 26 71 1861 S > > > > > > Cemeteries of Tishomingo County > > > Mississippi > > > Martin Cemetery Who is buried here? > > > > > > Marriage Bonds 1839 > > > Old Tishomingo County > > > Listed by GROOMS > > > Norwood, G.W. Martin, Nancy J. Aug. 21, > > > > > > Roddy's Cavalry > > > > > > W.C. Martin, Second Lieutenant > > > > > > Now on to Texas > > > > > > Hunting for Moses and James P to many Frances found here > > > You ask where was our Martins 1870 Census in Texas. Well I found them. > > > First is Frances, I found 5 Frances Martin in 1870 Census index in > Texas. > > > These are the counties for him. > > > Nacogdoches; Hardin; Henderson; Hood; Hopkins and Van Zandt > Counties in > > > Texas. > > > James P Martin is found in Montgomery Co. The town name The > Woodlands is > in > > > this country just south of Huntsville, TX. Moses Martin is > found Falls > > > County, TX just southeast of Waco, TX. > > > > > > marriages > > > 9-29-1870 Chesley P. Kennedy--Mary A. Martin > > > In Falles County, TX. > > > > > > Nothine else in Montgomery or Falls for the men list on 1870 Census. > The > > > 1870 was not post either > > > > > > Janet > > > > >

Hello Janet........ The following is the only Moses MARTIN listed in the Heritage Quest 1870 Texas Census Index.......... MARTIN MOSES 12 M M TX FALLS MARLIN P O 1584 111 I'll try to answer the question about the second family living in the same household...... Often there is 2 or more families living in the same household....... As for the census index part of it........ the transcriber is suppose to list the "EXTRAS"....... however... based on my experience at looking at lots and lots of films... that's not always the case........ You will have to look at the actual census images of various families that are connected to your family in the county that is in question........ Sorry that I can't be of more help....... Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@alaweb.com> To: <MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] | My guess would be that if a person was actually "living" with the family | being enumerated, then they would be listed. If they were there just for a | short visit; probably not. I suppose, though, it would have depended on the | astuteness of the census-taker, also. One might do a search on the web for | the instructions for census takers for that census, to see if there were | procedures spelled out. I have seen that for all the censuses once; but | don't recall where on the web. | | Jim Gilmer | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Janet Ariciu [mailto:monkey@getgoin.net] | > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:46 PM | > To: MARTIN-L@rootsweb.com | > Subject: [MARTIN-L] Re: Martins] | > | > | > I have question for you all. | > If family is living with a family when the Census taker came around would | > the family that is visiting be list just with family. So they would not be | > in Census. | > James P in 1870 Montgomery Co.TX. Could Moses Martin be with | > this family so | > they are listed. | > I did find Frances Martin but in 5 countries in TX. Which one is which is | > you guess as good as my | > | > Janet | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Frank Martin" <fmartin@tstar.net> | > To: "Magers, Ruby" <magers@tsixroads.com>; "Alexander, Karen" | > <KAlexan254@aol.com>; <Martin-L@rootsweb.com>; "Martin, Stacey" | > <magicm@mybluelight.com>; " Inzer, Reba" <rsinzer@msn.com>; "Thomas, Grace | > Pratt" <gracepthomas@juno.com>; " Nelson, Geoff" <geoffn@netdex.com>; " | > WARDLAW, Juanita" <ddoright@cox-internet.com>; " ariciu, janet" | > <monkey@getgoin.net>; "Glenn, Clay" <Glenn209@aol.com>; "Mills, Julia" | > <r1j1mills@juno.com>; "Evans, Jane" <djevans1@mindspring.com> | > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:57 PM | > Subject: [Fwd: Martins] | > | > | > > Hi Folks: | > > Here is some good looking data Janet turned up. Please check out the | > > parts you know and give me any corrections I should make to the tree. | > > Frank | > > | > > Janet Ariciu wrote: | > > > | > > > 1840 Census | > > > | > > > |First Name | | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100| | | > > > 5|10|15|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|100 | > > > | > > > 220 193 Martin William 0 0 0 0 1 0 | > 0 0 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 0 0 0 1 | > > > 221 211 Martin William 3 0 2 1 1 0 | > 0 1 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > 221 213 Martin Robert A. 0 2 1 0 0 1 | > 0 0 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > 214 Martin John 1 1 0 0 | > 0 1 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > | > > > 221 223 Martin Seth 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 | > 0 0 | > > > 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 | > > > 221 225 Martin John R. 1 0 1 0 0 0 | > 1 0 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > 218 131 Martin Wm. R. 1 1 1 0 0 0 | > 1 0 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > 230 500 Martin Wm. 0 1 0 0 0 1 | > 0 0 0 0 | > 0 | > > > 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 | > > > | > > > MISSISSIPPI TERRITORIAL & STATE CENSUS TISHOMINGO CO. | > > > 1837 | > > > Found one Martin | > > > | > > > Martin, Matthew R. 7 | > > > | > > > 1845 Territorial & State Census Tishomingo Co. Ms. | > > > Martin, John 4-8 | > > > Martin, S. C. 4-3 | > > > Martin, Joseph 1-3 | > > > Martin, William 5-4 | > > > Martin, S.P. 4-1 | > > > Martin, R. A. 5-2 | > > > Martin, S.G. 2-2 | > > > Martin, John 3-5 | > > > Martin,Sam 4-3 | > > > Martin, J.T. 2-1 | > > > Martin, William R. 6-6 | > > > Martin, Mathew 1-1 | > > > Martin, Ambrorse 3-4 | > > > Martin, Henry 3-2 | > > > Martin, William 2-3 | > > > Martin, W. 3-2 | > > > Martinr Margaret 2-4 | > > > Martin, John 1-2 | > > > Martin, Larking 5-4 | > > > | > > > TISHOMINGO CO., MS BIRTH INFORMATION: RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY IN | > 1917-18 | > > > AND PERSONS WITH LINKS TO THIS COUNTY | > > > | > > > Martin, Admiral 11 Aug 1900 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Albert Sydney 7 Oct 1894 W Itawamba | > Co. MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Alton 31 Aug 1896 W Itawamba | > Co. MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Archie Anderson Dec 1894 W | > Booneville | > MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Berry Lee 6 Nov 1887 W | > Madison AL | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Clarence (Clarenc) 19 Feb 1892 B Iuka MS | > > > Sunflower MS | > > > Martin, Clayton Richard 21 Jul 1882 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Ector 31 Jul 1890 W Itawamba | > Co. MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Finos 24 Jan 1889 B | > Highland MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Fred 9 Mar 1892 B | > Tishomingo | > MS | > > > Sunflower MS | > > > Martin, Fred Gordon 1 Aug 1887 W Dennis MS | > > > Itawamba MS | > > > Martin, Garven Chester 14 Jan 1899 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Homer 8 Feb 1900 B | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Hose 20 Jul 1886 B | > Burnt Mills | > MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, James Monroe 27 Oct 1890 W | > Longsville | > MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, James Willie Nov 1884 B | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, John 4 Jul 1874 B | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, John Drew 24 Aug 1883 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Stone Blondell 15 Jan 1889 W Tuscumbia | > AL | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, William 11 Nov 1887 B Iuka MS | > > > Sunflower MS | > > > Martin, William Alexanda 25 Aug 1874 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, William Lee 24 Dec 1876 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, William Norman 15 Mar 1876 W | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, William Winston 14 Mar 1884 B | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > Martin, Willie Nathaniel 7 Mar 1894 W Itawamba | > Co. MS | > > > Tishomingo MS | > > > | > > > Marriage Bonds 1850-1853 | > > > | > > > Martin, James Fuges, Nancy 29 OCT 1851 | > > > Martin, Thomas P. Harris, Lanzy C. 17 DEC 1853 | > > > Martin, William S. Holly, Lucy 25 APR 1855 | > > > | > > > Frank is this our William S Martin??? | > > > | > > > Minute Book A 1867-1870 | > > > Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi | > > > | > > > Martin & Merrill 3 November 1867 | > > > Martin & Merrill 18 February 1868 | > > > Martin & Merrill 32 May 1868 | > > > Martin & Merrill 49 August 1868 | > > > Martin G.C. 81 August 1869 | > > > Martin J.D. 3 November 1867 | > > > Martin J.D. 32 May 1868 | > > > | > > > 1841-1847 | > > > Civil Cases | > > > Old Tishomingo County, MS | > > > 1841-1847 Civil Cases Docket for Old Tishomingo County, Mississippi | > > > | > > > 1841 | > > > 8. W.W. Downs vs. J.P. & W.C. Martin | > > > Cases carried up to Circuit Court by Appeal | > > > Lewis Clarke vs. Wm. Martin & others | > > > | > > > OLD TISHOMINGO COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI LETTER BOOK NO. 2 | > > > CIRCUIT COURT 1842 - 1844 | > > > | > > > Record in Office of Chancery Clerk, Alcorn Co., Corinth,Ms.) | > > > This index pinpoints the presence of persons in this area in | > an interval | > > > between censuses. Names are listed only 2 or 3 times although | > many, such | > as | > > > Court officials, were found repeatedly. The majority of cases | > dealt with | > > > debts, many originating in other counties and states, giving insight | > into | > > > migration patterns. There were two murder cases; two divorce cases; a | > number | > > > of theft and assault matters; and several having to do with | > mismanagement of | > > > funds by public officials. Reading of a few pages from this volume | > provides | > > > a unique insight into the life and times of the area. | > > > Transcriberd by Wordna Threadgill Wicker | > > > MARTIN, H.A. Judge Ferry Co., Tn. 431 | > > > MARTIN, JAMES R. Plaintiff, Roane Co., Tn. 428 | > > > MARTIN, JOHN R. Plaintiff 169 | > > > MARTIN, J.Y. Defendant 378 | > > > MARTIN, JOHN Juror 109 | > > > MARTIN, THOMAS Pulask,Tenn 198 | > > > | > > > Old Tishomingo County, | > > > Mississippi | > > > Probate Court Records | > > > | > > > Martin Abram 84 Dec. term 1855 | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 84 Dec. term 1855 | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 90 Jan. term 1856 | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 96 Feb. term 1856 | > > > Martin Abram, deceased 97 Feb. term 1856 | > > > | > > > Frances Martin told his family history that some William and Virginia | > were | > > > in Civil War and some died there | > > > Graves of Civil War Veterans | > > > In | > > > Tishomingo County Ms. | > > > Martin, Ambrose - 1838 1922 MS Inf. Friendship | > > > Martin, James - N/M wife: here - - - 26 MS Inf. Friendship | > > > | > > > Union Veterans and Widows | > > > Eleventh Census of the United States | > > > 1890 | > > > Tishomingo County Ms. | > > > | > > > Samuel S. Martin | > > > House# - 2 | > > > Family# - 2 | > > > Rank - Private | > > > Company - J | > > > Reg. - 4 -S.C.- Inf | > > > Enlisted - Jan. 18, 1861 | > > > Discharge - May 1865 | > > > Length of Service - 4yrs-4mos | > > > Post-Office Address - Carterville | > > > Disability Incurred - (None Listed) | > > > | > > > (note: This information had lines in it.) | > > > | > > > Civil War Applications (Partial List) | > > > 57. Martin, Ambrose (Catharine) 26th Mississippi Infantry | > > > 58. Martin, G.B.H. 11th Alabama Calvary | > > > 59. Martin, James (Salina J.) 26th Mississippi Infantry | > > > | > > > Thirty-Second Mississippi Regiment | > > > Martin, Jim | > > > Martin, Peter | > > > Martin, R.M. * | > > > | > > > Enumeration | > > > of | > > > Confederate Soldiers and Widows | > > > | > > > Martin, Mrs.S.J. Miss A 26 77 1862 W | > > > Martin, A. Miss A 26 71 1861 S | > > > | > > > Cemeteries of Tishomingo County | > > > Mississippi | > > > Martin Cemetery Who is buried here? | > > > | > > > Marriage Bonds 1839 | > > > Old Tishomingo County | > > > Listed by GROOMS | > > > Norwood, G.W. Martin, Nancy J. Aug. 21, | > > > | > > > Roddy's Cavalry | > > > | > > > W.C. Martin, Second Lieutenant | > > > | > > > Now on to Texas | > > > | > > > Hunting for Moses and James P to many Frances found here | > > > You ask where was our Martins 1870 Census in Texas. Well I found them. | > > > First is Frances, I found 5 Frances Martin in 1870 Census index in | > Texas. | > > > These are the counties for him. | > > > Nacogdoches; Hardin; Henderson; Hood; Hopkins and Van Zandt | > Counties in | > > > Texas. | > > > James P Martin is found in Montgomery Co. The town name The | > Woodlands is | > in | > > > this country just south of Huntsville, TX. Moses Martin is | > found Falls | > > > County, TX just southeast of Waco, TX. | > > > | > > > marriages | > > > 9-29-1870 Chesley P. Kennedy--Mary A. Martin | > > > In Falles County, TX. | > > > | > > > Nothine else in Montgomery or Falls for the men list on 1870 Census. | > The | > > > 1870 was not post either | > > > | > > > Janet | > > | > > | > | |