A mailing list has been started at rootsweb.com.Its name is IRISH-DNA-L and IRISH-DNA-D. The goal of this list is to provide a place for light conversation on the results of Irish Surname Projects. Enabling people new to DNA projects to see how they can bennefit with out getting too technical. you can subscribe by sending an email titled Subscribe to either [email protected] [email protected] Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list

NEGLECTED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN SUBMITTED BY John Adams to Pioneer Times, Vol 1, no 2, July 1977. Typed by Moi. Note that this cemetery was walked back in 1977. I'm sure there are many more by now, perhaps some of these are unreadable there now, so I'll go ahead and post it. CEMETERY NAME: Unknown CEMETERY LOCATION: Northwest quarter of northeast quarter of section 24, Township 46, Range 14, Moniteau County, Missouri Abreham Shull, born Jan 6th, 1798, died Nov 15, 1859 Maria F., Wife of Abraham Shull, born Feb 22, 1807, died June 9, 18-- stone broken Sarah L., Daughter of L. A. & M. J. Shull, born Nov 10, 1870, died Sept 11, 1871 James Fordyce Hickcox, born Dec 26, 1805, died aug 10, 1860, aged 54 yrs, 7 mos, 15 das. Melinda, Wife of James F. Hickcox, born dec 2, 1812, departed this life June 3, 1856, aged 43 yrs, & 6 mos. CEMETERY NAME: unknown CEMETERY LOCATION: Southwest quarter of southeast quarter of Section 2, Township 46, Range 14, Moniteau County, Missouri Henry T., Son of L. & S. A. REED, born May 3, 1867, died Oct 30, 1868 Posten, son of L. & S. A. Reed, born Oct 25, 1865, died Aug 25, 1868 James M. Fuget, born aug 20, 1817, died Nov 22, 1873 Lucinda, wife of Jacob B. Houx, born Mar 1, 1818 died Dec 25, 1851 Infant daughter of J. R. & L. Houx, died Dec 27, 1851, aged 8 days R. L. Shipley, born Nov 9, 1829, died May 2, 1858, 28 yrs 11 mos 23 days James Miller, died April 10, 1846 in the 61st year of his age Lucinda, wife of James Miller, died of cholera april 15, 1849 aged 31 yrs 25 days Susan Miller, died Sept 11, 1842 in the 47th year of her age S. Alice, wife of R. S. Martin, died May 14, 1866 aged 23 yrs 4 mos 23 days Infants, son & daughter of R. S. & S. Alice Martin, born July 9, 1864 aged 8 & 10 days EVERGREEN BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY IN UNION PARISH, LOUSIANA Only a partial listing due to inclement weather, July 5, 1976. Infant child of J. W. & Ida E. Gilbert born and died Feb. 14, 1902 Velmer, dau of J. W. & Ida E. Gilbert, Born Mar 23, 1908 died July 17, 1911 Vera, dau of J. W. & Ida E. Gilbert born aug 10, 1913 died Sept 7, 1918 Lillie G. REA born Oct 2, 1895 died Jan 23, 1947 Mattie, dau of Mr. & Mrs. R. L. REA born Feb 4, 1906, died Feb 9, 1907 Mary M. Rea born aug 21, 1871 died July 15, 1949 Robert L. REA born Nov 28, 1870 died Feb 26, 1963 Ella M. REA born Oct 10, 1875 died May 4, 1951 Rezen R. REA born april 3, 1875 died Sept 27, 1965 Margrette E. REA died July 2, 1901 Theophilus W. REA co. C. 18 Ala Infantry, CSA W. P. McDaniel Co. H, 29 ala Infantry, CSA Liler U. Ray dau of W. T. & A. U. Ray born Oct 30, 1895 died June 21, 1899 Mittie Anderson born 1876 -- W. A. Anderson born 1872 died 1944 This is a double stone George William Shaver born Feb 17, 1883 died May 28, 1958 Clyde Glass Shaver born May 14, 1893 died Mar 24, 1967 L. M. Ray born 23 Dec 1894 died 14 Nov 1951 L. J. Ray born 9 Oct 1855 died 14 May 1928 J. R. Ray born 21 Sept 1853 died 22 Feb 1925 J. A. Ray born 3 Feb 1888 died 12 Dec 1959

It has been almost a year since I have offered to make copies of some of the more important Scots-Irish research materials from my collection.  Most of my time is currently devoted to www.stringsandbeyond.com (any guitar players??) so this will be the only opportunity to acquire these materials for the balance of the year. I have added one new item: Carolina Scots,  by Douglas Kelly and Caroline Kelly 1739 Publications, Dillon, SC an Historical and Genealogical Study of Over 100 Years of Emigration. Caroline was my son's Latin teacher at Charlotte Christian School and this book is the long awaited second edition which is the history of the Scottish and Gaelic diaspora in the Carolinas.  If your ancestors were part of the Cape Fear Scots who came from the Highlands of Scotland and settled in Moore, Cumberland, Hoke, Richmond, Robeson, or Scotland counties then this book is for you. In addition I have the following materials: Rockbridge County, Virginia Notebook, Compiled from Articles by Dr. George W. Diehl as published in the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia.  Additional charts and notes have been added as well as a surname index.  Compiled by A. Maxim Coppage III, 242 pages.   For a number of years, the late Dr. George W. Diehl contributed historical and genealogical articles to the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia, published by M.W. Paxton, Jr.  The clippings from the paper were sent to Mr. Coppage for the "Virginia Collection"  In many instances information may be found showing where families originated in Scotland or Ireland, the places lived before settling in the Rockbridge County, Virginia area and the relationships between various clans or as Dr. Diehl so aptly named this phase of pioneering, "A Rockbridge Seed-box." A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania, Chambersburg, Pa. Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages.   From the preface the following:  "The writer of the Tribute contained in this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and Scotch early settlers of this great State and their descendants against reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications having pretensions to Historical accuracy"....Lots of detail on the early members of the church as well as problems with the Indians and the struggle over land rights during the westward expansion. The Scotch-Irish In The Colonies: 1750-1790 A Thesis Presented for the Degree of Master of Arts by Kathryn R. Aikin, A.B., The Ohio State University, 1933 Contents include Introduction, Early Settlements, Daily Life on the Frontier, Educational and Religious Activities, Military Pursuits, and Political Participation and Conclusion.  This is also a GREAT Bibliography, the most important part of any thesis. The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905,1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Sociey of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 Kings St.  211 pages    On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book.  He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research.  From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name or live in the same places." Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages.    One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible.  Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy.  Contains the following biographical sketches: 1.  The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2.  The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3.  The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical sketches) 4.  Those engaged in the relief of the city A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry.  Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869    The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from.  Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen. Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, 1929, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 311 pages.    Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed. A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI. The Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia 542 pages.    The best source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia.  Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig.  In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages.    The most popular of the documents offered, this covers the families who settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier.  If your ancestors came through southwestern Virginia, this document is the history of your family.  Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there.  Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier.  Names like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley, Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore, and 50 or so other "Scotch-Irish" families make this an invaluable resource for your family history. The Reverend Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages   History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame. Several of these books are available in only a few major University libraries and in the case of Fighters of Derry it was copied from microfilm because I was never able to find an actual copy in the US.  Professor Hagy gave me permission to copy his thesis and I may have one of the only remaining original copies. It was of particular interest to me because the Cowan family was one of the "frontier families of southwest Virginia."  I only send this post to a few of rootsweb's many thousands of lists and these are the ones where the people came from Scotland to Ulster to Pennsylvania, Virginia, the Carolinas, Tennessee and points west.  These Scots-Irish research materials follow that path.  If you are interested in obtaining any of the above documents please contact me at [email protected] for details. Thanks, Robert Cowan

Don't know anything about the N.Y. Martin but am interested in the John Martin children. My husbands GG Grandfather was a Thomas Martin, born about 1796. On the 1850 census he put SC and on the 1860 census he put NC but have found no clues as to his parents. He married in Rutherford Co., TN in 1821 to Martha Esther Mason, had several children, moved to MS and then on to TX before he died soon after the Civil War. If the book, or you have any additional knowledge about the Thomas, please let me know, Thanks Rose Parks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: [MARTIN-L] N.Y. Martin of Tennessee > Has anybody ever run across a fellow named N. (Newton?) Y. (Yancy?) Martin > of > Dyer County, TN by way of (probably) South Carolina. I have an old > Tennessee > history book that says this man was the great-grandfather of my own > great-grandfather, Milton Scott Martin (1847-1912) of Carroll County, TN. > His father was > Jacob Martin (1806-1849). Jacob's father was John Martin (d. 1825). > Jacob's > siblings were Polly, Jane, William, Thomas, James, and Deliathia. Thanks > for > the help. Knox Martin > > The South is a land that has known sorrows; it is a land that has broken > the > ashen crust and moistened it with tears; a land scarred and riven by the > plowshare of war and billowed with the graves of her dead; but a land of > legend, a > land of song, a land of hallowed and heroic memories. To that land every > drop > of my blood, every fiber of my being, every pulsation of my heart, is > consecrated forever. I was born of her womb; I was nurtured at her breast; > and when my > last hour shall come, I pray God that I may be pillowed upon her bosom and > rocked to sleep within her tender encircling arms. Edward Carmack > >

Hello Lee, If you expect anyone to relate, please, give complete names, dates and locations. Thanks, and good luck. Julia French Wood List Adm. In a message dated 1/6/2005 8:36:42 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear sks I am searching ,for Bavidge, Craw,Martin ,Celts & Scot, sincerely lee

Dear sks I am searching ,for Bavidge, Craw,Martin ,Celts & Scot, sincerely lee

Karen, Thank you so much for the Oceanus correction. According to my reference that basic Christopher Martin information came from Mayflower sources but I apparently included Oceanus Hopkins in error -- since my source piece has no mention of him. These Alice Martin notes are from 1999 and at this point I don't recall my thinking. Thank you for the correction. I have deleted Oceanus from future mentions. My conclusion with regard to this Alice Martin remains the same. She was not in the Christopher Martin party. Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: bruce collins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:35 PM To: Bill Churchill; [email protected] Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} I'm a little confused by the reference to Oceanus Hopkins as a servant of Christopher Martin. Oceanus was born on the Mayflower during the voyage, hence his name, so he was only a infant. He died before 1623 and his parents both survived so it seems unlikely that he was put in anyone elses's care. Karen Collins Columbus, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Churchill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} > Patty, > > I am also interested in Alice (Martin) Clarke of Plymouth. What do you > know about her? > > Below are the mentions I have with regard to Alice Martin of the > Plymouth Colony's identity: > > From "Records of the Plymouth Colony," p. 286: > "Georg Clarke & Alis Martin marryed xxii'th Januar 1638." (22 January > 1638/39). > > Alice was probably born in or (more likely) before 1619. This is simply > based upon her being age 21 upon marriage. If she had not been age 21 > then a relative or a court would have had to concur with her marriage. > Since there is no mention made of her being of age, I conclude that she > was age 21 -- or gave the appearance of being of age upon her marriage > such that her age was not questioned. Thus, she being age 21 in 1638/39 > cannot be certain but is, I think, most likely. > > > > She was not the daughter of Christopher Martin a Mayflower Pilgrim. > Christopher Martin, his wife, his three children, his stepson Solomon > Prower and his servant John Langemore came in the Mayflower. His wife > and servants including an Oceanus Hopkins all died the first winter. > Christopher Martin died 8 Jan 1621. Had Alice been with or been a part > of his party I think she most certainly would have received some mention > -- particularly if she had survived and her parents died. > > > > Alice Martin the daughter of Francis Martin: > In several genealogies on the Web, Alice is identified as a daughter of > a Francis Martin. As detailed in the paragraphs below, it is quite > certain that she was not the daughter of the Francis Martin below and to > which she is associated: > > "Francis Martin (John MARTYN, Christopher Martin1) was born ABT. 1599 in > , , England, and died ABT. 1624. He married Prudence Deacon 10 APR 1619 > in Plymouth, Devon, England. She was born ABT. 1602 in, England, and > died ABT. 1624." > > "Child of Francis Martin and Prudence Deacon is: + 14 i. Alice Martin > was born 1620 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and died AFT. 4 OCT 1658 in > Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA." > > > I checked the above information against Plymouth, Devon Saint Andrew > Parish Registers. It turns out that the Saint Andrew registers for the > period in question are intact. In fact, anyone with Internet Access can > access these specific records for this Francis Martin. The LDS IGI > contains this Francis Martin's marriage entries that were taken directly > from the Saint Andrew Parish Registers. However, the actual Saint > Andrew register information changes the above information as follows: > > "Francis Martin (John MARTYN) was baptized 7 Sep 1584 at Saint Andrew, > Plymouth, Devon, England. He married Priscilla Deacon 10 Oct 1619 at > Saint Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England. > > Thus, the circulating information is not quite correct. Francis > Martin's father John MARTYN would have been from one of the local Martin > families since both Francis and Priscilla were "of" Saint Andrew Parish. > Chronologically this John MARTYN was not likely a son of the Christopher > Martin of the Mayflower since that Christopher was said to have been > born in 1575 in Billerica, Essex. Saint Andrew registers have no > records of children for Francis and Priscilla (Deacon) Martin. The > records suggest they died s.p. In any case, there were no Alice Martins > baptized at Saint Andrew. Thus, it appears a creative researcher has > been at work here. The Francis Martin of Plymouth has not been > researched further by me but he could be related to Hempston Cantelo > Martins. > > > In one last speculation (by me), there is a possibility that Alice > Martin of Plymouth was one of the children "in old England" of Richard > Martin mariner, brother of Robert Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony. > But this, also, is uncertain. So far I have not been able to identify > Richard Martin's English children. > > > Regards, > Bill Churchill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} > > > Patty is not a member of the list, so reply, directly, to her at: > [email protected] > > In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Alice Martin was born in 1616. She first married George Clark and > Second Richard Bishop. She was hanged for murdering her daughter. Can > anyone tell me who her parents were? I have found two different sets on > the internet. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Patty in MN [email protected] > > ______________________________ >

Has anybody ever run across a fellow named N. (Newton?) Y. (Yancy?) Martin of Dyer County, TN by way of (probably) South Carolina. I have an old Tennessee history book that says this man was the great-grandfather of my own great-grandfather, Milton Scott Martin (1847-1912) of Carroll County, TN. His father was Jacob Martin (1806-1849). Jacob's father was John Martin (d. 1825). Jacob's siblings were Polly, Jane, William, Thomas, James, and Deliathia. Thanks for the help. Knox Martin The South is a land that has known sorrows; it is a land that has broken the ashen crust and moistened it with tears; a land scarred and riven by the plowshare of war and billowed with the graves of her dead; but a land of legend, a land of song, a land of hallowed and heroic memories. To that land every drop of my blood, every fiber of my being, every pulsation of my heart, is consecrated forever. I was born of her womb; I was nurtured at her breast; and when my last hour shall come, I pray God that I may be pillowed upon her bosom and rocked to sleep within her tender encircling arms. Edward Carmack

I'm a little confused by the reference to Oceanus Hopkins as a servant of Christopher Martin. Oceanus was born on the Mayflower during the voyage, hence his name, so he was only a infant. He died before 1623 and his parents both survived so it seems unlikely that he was put in anyone elses's care. Karen Collins Columbus, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Churchill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} > Patty, > > I am also interested in Alice (Martin) Clarke of Plymouth. What do you > know about her? > > Below are the mentions I have with regard to Alice Martin of the > Plymouth Colony's identity: > > From "Records of the Plymouth Colony," p. 286: > "Georg Clarke & Alis Martin marryed xxii'th Januar 1638." (22 January > 1638/39). > > Alice was probably born in or (more likely) before 1619. This is simply > based upon her being age 21 upon marriage. If she had not been age 21 > then a relative or a court would have had to concur with her marriage. > Since there is no mention made of her being of age, I conclude that she > was age 21 -- or gave the appearance of being of age upon her marriage > such that her age was not questioned. Thus, she being age 21 in 1638/39 > cannot be certain but is, I think, most likely. > > > > She was not the daughter of Christopher Martin a Mayflower Pilgrim. > Christopher Martin, his wife, his three children, his stepson Solomon > Prower and his servant John Langemore came in the Mayflower. His wife > and servants including an Oceanus Hopkins all died the first winter. > Christopher Martin died 8 Jan 1621. Had Alice been with or been a part > of his party I think she most certainly would have received some mention > -- particularly if she had survived and her parents died. > > > > Alice Martin the daughter of Francis Martin: > In several genealogies on the Web, Alice is identified as a daughter of > a Francis Martin. As detailed in the paragraphs below, it is quite > certain that she was not the daughter of the Francis Martin below and to > which she is associated: > > "Francis Martin (John MARTYN, Christopher Martin1) was born ABT. 1599 in > , , England, and died ABT. 1624. He married Prudence Deacon 10 APR 1619 > in Plymouth, Devon, England. She was born ABT. 1602 in, England, and > died ABT. 1624." > > "Child of Francis Martin and Prudence Deacon is: + 14 i. Alice Martin > was born 1620 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and died AFT. 4 OCT 1658 in > Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA." > > > I checked the above information against Plymouth, Devon Saint Andrew > Parish Registers. It turns out that the Saint Andrew registers for the > period in question are intact. In fact, anyone with Internet Access can > access these specific records for this Francis Martin. The LDS IGI > contains this Francis Martin's marriage entries that were taken directly > from the Saint Andrew Parish Registers. However, the actual Saint > Andrew register information changes the above information as follows: > > "Francis Martin (John MARTYN) was baptized 7 Sep 1584 at Saint Andrew, > Plymouth, Devon, England. He married Priscilla Deacon 10 Oct 1619 at > Saint Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England. > > Thus, the circulating information is not quite correct. Francis > Martin's father John MARTYN would have been from one of the local Martin > families since both Francis and Priscilla were "of" Saint Andrew Parish. > Chronologically this John MARTYN was not likely a son of the Christopher > Martin of the Mayflower since that Christopher was said to have been > born in 1575 in Billerica, Essex. Saint Andrew registers have no > records of children for Francis and Priscilla (Deacon) Martin. The > records suggest they died s.p. In any case, there were no Alice Martins > baptized at Saint Andrew. Thus, it appears a creative researcher has > been at work here. The Francis Martin of Plymouth has not been > researched further by me but he could be related to Hempston Cantelo > Martins. > > > In one last speculation (by me), there is a possibility that Alice > Martin of Plymouth was one of the children "in old England" of Richard > Martin mariner, brother of Robert Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony. > But this, also, is uncertain. So far I have not been able to identify > Richard Martin's English children. > > > Regards, > Bill Churchill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} > > > Patty is not a member of the list, so reply, directly, to her at: > [email protected] > > In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Alice Martin was born in 1616. She first married George Clark and > Second Richard Bishop. She was hanged for murdering her daughter. Can > anyone tell me who her parents were? I have found two different sets on > the internet. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Patty in MN [email protected] > > ______________________________ >

Does anyone have any information on the following: 1. A list of members of an Alexandria-Fairfax militia company during the French and Indian War, paid off at Alexandria Court House in 1758. Charles Martin and Jesse Martin listed as sergeants. 2. There was a Henry and Mary Martin who had land surveyed in 1728/9 on the north side of the Rappahanock River. The land was variously in Stafford, Prince William, and finally in Fauquier County and was around Rossers Run, The Great Run, Carters Run, or Naked Mountain. Any help or guidance as to where to do more research on these Martins would be appreciated. Thanks! Best Regards, Dean --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0501-0, 01/04/2005 Tested on: 1/5/2005 4:08:23 AM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Patty, I am also interested in Alice (Martin) Clarke of Plymouth. What do you know about her? Below are the mentions I have with regard to Alice Martin of the Plymouth Colony's identity: From "Records of the Plymouth Colony," p. 286: "Georg Clarke & Alis Martin marryed xxii'th Januar 1638." (22 January 1638/39). Alice was probably born in or (more likely) before 1619. This is simply based upon her being age 21 upon marriage. If she had not been age 21 then a relative or a court would have had to concur with her marriage. Since there is no mention made of her being of age, I conclude that she was age 21 -- or gave the appearance of being of age upon her marriage such that her age was not questioned. Thus, she being age 21 in 1638/39 cannot be certain but is, I think, most likely. She was not the daughter of Christopher Martin a Mayflower Pilgrim. Christopher Martin, his wife, his three children, his stepson Solomon Prower and his servant John Langemore came in the Mayflower. His wife and servants including an Oceanus Hopkins all died the first winter. Christopher Martin died 8 Jan 1621. Had Alice been with or been a part of his party I think she most certainly would have received some mention -- particularly if she had survived and her parents died. Alice Martin the daughter of Francis Martin: In several genealogies on the Web, Alice is identified as a daughter of a Francis Martin. As detailed in the paragraphs below, it is quite certain that she was not the daughter of the Francis Martin below and to which she is associated: “Francis Martin (John MARTYN, Christopher Martin1) was born ABT. 1599 in , , England, and died ABT. 1624. He married Prudence Deacon 10 APR 1619 in Plymouth, Devon, England. She was born ABT. 1602 in, England, and died ABT. 1624.” “Child of Francis Martin and Prudence Deacon is: + 14 i. Alice Martin was born 1620 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and died AFT. 4 OCT 1658 in Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA.” I checked the above information against Plymouth, Devon Saint Andrew Parish Registers. It turns out that the Saint Andrew registers for the period in question are intact. In fact, anyone with Internet Access can access these specific records for this Francis Martin. The LDS IGI contains this Francis Martin’s marriage entries that were taken directly from the Saint Andrew Parish Registers. However, the actual Saint Andrew register information changes the above information as follows: “Francis Martin (John MARTYN) was baptized 7 Sep 1584 at Saint Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England. He married Priscilla Deacon 10 Oct 1619 at Saint Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England. Thus, the circulating information is not quite correct. Francis Martin’s father John MARTYN would have been from one of the local Martin families since both Francis and Priscilla were “of” Saint Andrew Parish. Chronologically this John MARTYN was not likely a son of the Christopher Martin of the Mayflower since that Christopher was said to have been born in 1575 in Billerica, Essex. Saint Andrew registers have no records of children for Francis and Priscilla (Deacon) Martin. The records suggest they died s.p. In any case, there were no Alice Martins baptized at Saint Andrew. Thus, it appears a creative researcher has been at work here. The Francis Martin of Plymouth has not been researched further by me but he could be related to Hempston Cantelo Martins. In one last speculation (by me), there is a possibility that Alice Martin of Plymouth was one of the children “in old England” of Richard Martin mariner, brother of Robert Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony. But this, also, is uncertain. So far I have not been able to identify Richard Martin's English children. Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Patty is not a member of the list, so reply, directly, to her at: [email protected] In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Alice Martin was born in 1616. She first married George Clark and Second Richard Bishop. She was hanged for murdering her daughter. Can anyone tell me who her parents were? I have found two different sets on the internet. Thanks in advance Patty in MN [email protected]

Hi all, Using http://www.genealogybuff.com/data.htm#Martin I found the following obits: [Monroe Co., NY] ETHEL N. MARTIN Ethel N. Martin, of Rush, died on Tuesday, August 3, 1999. She is survived by husband, Robert Martin; daughter, Debbie (John) Fuchs; son, Russell Martin; five grandchildren, Erich and Casey Fuchs and Ryan, Stacey and Scott Martin; and nieces and nephews. Funeral services were held at Merton Kays Funeral Home in Honeoye Falls on Friday, August 6, 1999. Interment was at North Rush Cemetery. [Fulton Co., NY] Madelyn Martin Vickery Madelyn Martin Vickery, 89, of Gloversville, died Wednesday morning at Nathan Littauer Hospital. She was born on Sept. 6, 1912 in Gloversville, the daughter of Harry and Rose Hale Martin. She graduated from the Gloversville High School Class of 1929 and later graduated from the Gloversville Business School Class of 1930. Mrs. Vickery was employed by the Henry Noyes Fish Market of Bleecker Street, Gloversville, as a cashier for several years and later was employed by Robison & Smith Inc. of Gloversville for over 25 years before retiring. She was a member of the Ida McGinnis Club and the First Baptist Church, both of Gloversville. She is survived by one stepson and his wife, Donald and Anne Vickery of Gloversville; six grandchildren, John H. Callahan, Matthew J. Vickery, Joan C. Boyce, David G. Vickery, Ruth Serviss and Paul Tokarowski; several great-grandchildren; many nieces, nephews, great-nieces and great-nephews She was predeceased by her husband, Percy, who died in 1975; a stepdaughter, Doris V. Callahan, who died in October 1990; and one brother, Volney Martin. The family will be receiving friends from 7 to 8 p.m. Friday at Hollenbeck Funeral Home, 4 Second Ave., Gloversville, where a funeral service will be held at 11:30 a.m. Saturday. The Rev. Dr. George McBurney Gray, will officiate. Interment will take place in Prospect Hill Cemetery, Gloversville. Memorial contributions may be made in lieu of flowers to the charity of one's choice. Hope these help, Bill

Patty is not a member of the list, so reply, directly, to her at: [email protected] In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Alice Martin was born in 1616. She first married George Clark and Second Richard Bishop. She was hanged for murdering her daughter. Can anyone tell me who her parents were. I have found two different sets on the internet. Thanks in advance Patty in MN [email protected]

Thanks Candace. Jay

That's the one. Thanks a lot for your help. Jay

Hi Folks: I'm researching the BICKLE family of Melancthon Twp. David Martin & Jane Bickle appear on the 1881 and 1901 census for Melancthon, Grey East, Ontario. They had a family of 12, two of the girls married into the JACK family. David Martin was born c. 1846 and Jane (Bickle) Martin was born c. 1852. Anyone familiar with this Martin family? Norma, Ont.

Sorry,not mine Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MARTIN-L] Trying to locate a fellow Marine, Howard O. Martin > Norman, > Checking at: > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > I found three Howard O Martins listed, with yours matching by DOB 22 Sept > 1918. > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like he has died, 19 Jul > 1991, if indeed this is your Howard O. > D. Martin > > NJW <[email protected]> wrote: > that I was seeking my Uncle but I was never able to obtain any positive > leads.His name is Howard O. Martin, b: 9/22/1918 in Burke Co., GA. His > father was G. CrawfordMartin and his mother was Irene Dorn. Any info you > may be able to provide in helping melocate Howard would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > Norman J. Walker USMC Ret. Semper Fi > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > >

These are all the Howard O.'s I could find. ANTHONY MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN - 47 135 ICY RD RUSSELLVILLE AL 35653 (256) 3319598 ANTHONY MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN - 47 135 ICY RD RUSSELLVILLE AL 35653 (256) 3311657 APRIL L MARTIN CLIFF MARTIN EDDIE MARTIN FRED J MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN JOYCE C MARTIN 46 - - 67 73 65 81 RIPPLING BRANCH LN MURPHY NC 28906 (828) 8376097 APRIL L MARTIN CLIFF MARTIN FRED J MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN JOYCE C MARTIN 46 - 67 73 65 81 RIPPLING BRANCH LN MURPHY NC 28906 (828) 8376992 CYNTHIA W MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN JOYCE L MARTIN MELVIN MARTIN 46 73 65 59 590 SETTAWIG RD BRASSTOWN NC 28902 (828) 8376097 CYNTHIA W MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN JOYCE L MARTIN MELVIN MARTIN 46 73 65 59 590 SETTAWIG RD BRASSTOWN NC 28902 (828) 6445689 CYNTHIA W MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN JOYCE L MARTIN MELVIN MARTIN 46 73 65 59 590 SETTAWIG RD BRASSTOWN NC 28902 (828) 6440245 CYNTHIA W MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN MELVIN MARTIN 46 73 - 590 SETTAWIG RD BRASSTOWN NC 28902 (828) 8374176 GLENDA MARTIN HOWARD O MARTIN - 47 1540 LIGON SPRINGS RD TUSCUMBIA AL 35674 (256) HOWARD O MARTIN 47 - LEBANON TN 37087 (615) HOWARD O MARTIN - 704 N FRISCO RD SHERMAN TX 75090 (903) HOWARD O MARTIN 46 121ST ASH DR EGLIN AFB FL 32542 (850) HOWARD O MARTIN 60 9799 ABERDEEN RD ABERDEEN NC 28315 (910) 9441747 HOWARD O MARTIN MYRTLE LORENE MARTIN RAYMOND MARTIN RICK H MARTIN 85 86 - 60 3244 VENTANA HILLS DR LAS VEGAS NV 89117 (702) 243420 Bob Martin Connecticut USA >-----Original Message----- >From: NJW [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:08 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [MARTIN-L] Trying to locate a fellow Marine, Howard O. Martin > >Does anyone on the list know how I could locate a relative who was in the >Marine Corps during WWII? >He served in the Pacific theater somewhere but I don't know where. When he >returned to the states , >after the war , he settled in S. California. I flew out to El Toro to >visited him on a couple of occasions >while I was stationed at the MCAS in Miami , FL back in the early to >mid 50's. I believe however he >may have moved to Miami where his father(Crawford) was living until h is >death in 1966. About a year >ago I got the addresses of all the Howard Martin's living in S.Cal., wrote >to each of them, explained >that I was seeking my Uncle but I was never able to obtain any positive >leads.His name is >Howard O. Martin, b: 9/22/1918 in Burke Co., GA. His father was G. Crawford >Martin and his >mother was Irene Dorn. Any info you may be able to provide in helping me >locate Howard would >be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >Norman J. Walker >USMC Ret. >Semper Fi

Mr. Walker, I found another bit of information that might be of some help in your search. In the 1930 U.S. Census for Burke County, GA, the family is listed in Gough, District 22 and shows a younger brother named Joseph W. MARTIN who is about 7 yrs. of age, so his birth year is 1922 or 1923. Regards, Candace Campise Centerville, TX

Mr. Walker, You might try obtaining a copy of his S.S. Death Record: _http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi_ (http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi) The record shows Howard O. Martin - born 22 Sep 1918 & died 19 Jul 1991. His S.S. card was issued in Florida. Sometimes this type of record yields names & addresses needed for research. Good luck in your search! Regards, Candace Campise Centerville, TX