I find things 'cause I look outside the box at the big picture. Not just at my individual line. If I didn't, none of these people would be found. You cannot not think and look in a linear fashion. You must use 2000 technology and thinking. You have to look at the BIG picture. You will never find a marriage license for 2 people in the wilderness!! This, combined with the DNA trees people gave me have had breakthroughs. Anyone who has not provided a DNA tree is invited to do so. look at who your Marshall married and who his kids married. Look at who those in law families married. There are posts on my message forum about lots of this and also about names in general. http://www.chipster.us/phpGedView/index.php?mod=punbb I started thinking something was "FISH"y when I saw one of my gg grandpa's on a census with his parents from SPAIN?!?! I already had my people documented back to 1768 I used to be told "your grandpa was german blood", well one of them was but not the Marshall. And I do not believe that Moses Marshall and some others were. Dietrich probably but the others, no. I started wondering why one of my offshoots had a kid they named Leander Marshall. Seemed like an unusual name. And he was only 2 when he died. Little did I know that he would be my guiding angel leading me to the treasure of the Marshall Clan. why there are so many "brickwalls" .....teepee sitting in front of it!! plus the BAD mistakes in that darn Paxton book. well thank GOD for the internet and the FISH clan and others who have been posting their info. I am glad I can break this wide open you wonder why they always "moved" to Iowa or some county like Iroquois? You ever wonder why there are Chief Joseph Marshall and Charles Marshall. Chief Anderson. Capt Henry "Chinwa" Rogers Fish Cause lots of these Marshall, especially in my bunch, are mixed people My site has been updated lately with lots of new discoveries. There has has been a cover up of Native Americans. I can understand it a little since, back then if you had a certain percent of "tainted blood" (as Paxton calls it) you basically were told to leave and go west. And if you didn't they forced you. a number of men mated with natives and that, along with that Paxton Book, is why there are a few broken DNA lines William Marshall Indian Trader and his partner Conner/Connor married into the Fish Clan Leni Lenape Delaware Wyandot Shawnee etc Tecumseh was part "white" and so were lots of these guys that were killed off in an "ethnic cleansing". It also ties into Lewis and Clark There is a McClure/Steele I am looking for and into, any info out there please give it up Please get in touch with me on my website, you can mail me from here http://www.chipster.us/phpGedView/ I do not get on this AOL and when you post on a message board "i have it" it could sit here for 10 years like a lot of these posts. Either write me or post the full info on here and mail me and tell me you did. There is nothing worse than seeing a post and writing to the email that is NO GOOD. I see 10 year old posts that are a connection, I try to write people and they are bad addresses as well as these: Leander (means LEADING TURTLE) If you have a Leander name in the past, let me know, first middle or last name other names are Shane/DuShane/DuQuene/Chesne/De Chesne/De Shane SAME NAME Grinter Rankin Fountain/Fontaine/De La Fontaine/Spring LaPrarie Rogers Logan Fish Bluejacket Crow Anderson and Jackson Bouldin/Bawdewen/Baldwin SAME NAME Boulware / Bourchier SAME NAME Byrd Beard Baird Bird etc http://familytrees.genopro.com/beltster/Marshall/default.htm Marshall (1474), Lewis (84), Ferrell (75), Wilson (74), Williams (66), Bruce (49), Williamson (43), Hill (42), Vance (41), Crawford (40), Steele (36), Clark (36), Bigham (35), Larimer (34), Swearingen (30), Chambers (27), Boswell (26), Porter (25), Crow (25), McCracken (23) joemarshel AT yahoo DOT com this AOL is not good to write to me, it gets posted on rootsweb and I am spammed Joe Marshall