WOW!! Now, how about giving us the answers please... Fern ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: [MARSHALL] 8th GRADE TEST IN 1895 ..... > I'll never think less of a person from 1895 for an eighth grade education! > > Subject: 8th GRADE TEST IN 1895 ..... > > > > Remember when our grandparents, great-grandparents, and such > stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this > out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? > This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, KS, USA. > It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley > Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the > Salina Journal. > > 8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895 > > Grammar (Time, one hour) > 1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters. > 2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no > Modifications. > 3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph. > 4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts > of lie, lay and run. > 5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case. > 6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of > Punctuation. > 7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein > that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. > > Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours) > 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. > 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How > many bushels of wheat will it hold? > 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at > 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare? > 4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the > necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and > have $104 for incidentals? > 5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. > 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 > percent. > 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long > at $20 per meter? > 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 > percent. > 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance > around which is 640 rods? > 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt. > > U. S. History (Time, 45 minutes) > 1. Give the epochs into which U. S. History is divided. > 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus. > 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. > 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States. > 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas. > 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. > 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, > Penn, and Howe? > 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, > 1800, 1849, 1865. > > Orthography (Time, one hour) > > 1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, > orthography, etymology, syllabication? > 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? > 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, > subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals? > 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'. > 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two > exceptions under each rule. > 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. > 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a > word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup. > 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and > name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, > mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last. > 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, > fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. > 10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate > pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. > > Geography (Time, one hour) > 1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? > 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas? > 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean? > 4. Describe the mountains of North America. > 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, > Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and > Orinoco. > 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. > 7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each. > 8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same > latitude? > 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to > the sources of rivers. > 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of > the earth. > > Also notice that the exam took six hours to complete. > > Gives the saying "she/he only had an 8th grade education" a whole > new meaning, doesn't it? > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I'll never think less of a person from 1895 for an eighth grade education! Subject: 8th GRADE TEST IN 1895 ..... Remember when our grandparents, great-grandparents, and such stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, KS, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the Salina Journal. 8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895 Grammar (Time, one hour) 1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters. 2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no Modifications. 3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph. 4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of lie, lay and run. 5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case. 6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation. 7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours) 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold? 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare? 4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals? 5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent. 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per meter? 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent. 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods? 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt. U. S. History (Time, 45 minutes) 1. Give the epochs into which U. S. History is divided. 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus. 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States. 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas. 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe? 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865. Orthography (Time, one hour) 1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication? 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals? 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'. 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule. 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup. 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last. 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. 10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. Geography (Time, one hour) 1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas? 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean? 4. Describe the mountains of North America. 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco. 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. 7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each. 8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude? 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers. 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth. Also notice that the exam took six hours to complete. Gives the saying "she/he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Hi I'm a new lister. Researching ( the elusive): Alfred Leaver MARSHALL supposedly born 1821 Folkestone, Kent, England. Wife Elizabeth Ann POCOCK b.1824 Lydd, Kent m. 1844 Lydd children include: Mary Maria b.1845 Lydd Esther Elizabeth b.1846 Dover Thomas William b. 1848-1849 East Farleigh Alfred Leaver b.abt.1850 Dover Eliza Bethula b.1852 Dover Edward Rutley b.1862 Lydd I feel there are several children "missing' from our list, as there is a 10 yr gap between the last 2 children. Have searched Folkestone PR's and BT's...no Alfred Leaver Marshall! Any connections out there? Regards Caroline Boston Ontario, Canada

How can I locate Marshall County obituaries that are not listed on the webpage? I am wanting to locate obituaries for the following two Cumberledge cousins of mine: Walter Howard Cumberledge died 8 Nov 1997 Glen Dale, WV William Ray Cumberlidge died 2 July 2002 Glen Dale Any advise or help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Dating the Belgians via France - Michael John Neill One of my recent explorations into my wife's Belgian ancestry revolved around the search for the marriage of her ancestor Jean Francis Mortier of Hansbeke. I knew the name of Jean's wife (Angeline Mortier) and that they had at least one child, Charles, born in 1810 in Hansbeke. I decided to search the marriage records for Hansbeke starting in 1810 and working backwards. I had little trouble locating the desired entry in the civil marriage records. The entry for Jean Francis Mortier and Angeline Mortier (yes, they did have the same last name) was easily located, and based upon what I knew from other records I was relatively certain I had the correct couple. The records were in Dutch, but fortunately there were three references to the Mortier-Mortier marriage. These references were only located by paging through for the desired time period. The references were: - The index reference, which gave the couple's names and the date of the marriage. The index spelled out the date more clearly than did the actual marriage record. - A marriage record that consisted of a completed form. - A marriage record that consisted of an entirely handwritten entry. I started with the "form" as it was easier to read and translate given my limited knowledge of Dutch. The printed words were easy to translate and guided me in interpreting the handwritten information. It took some doing, but with some patience and using the word guide contained in Translating Vital Records of Belgium from Latin, Dutch, and French, available from the Genealogical Society of Flemish Americans, I was confident that the record contained the following information: Jean Francis Mortier was born 11 February 1769 in Hansbeke, the son of Jacobus Mortier and Petronella DeMayer. His bride, Angeline Mortier, was born in Hansbeke on 19 July 1771, and was the daughter of Francois Mortier and Joanna Verhäye. Jean was thirty at the time of the marriage and Angeline was twenty-eight. The names I was pretty certain of. The numbers might easily be slightly off. The real problem was the year of the marriage: 10 (something) 7. The index page (in French, no less) indicated that the Mortiers were married on 10 (something I could not read) 7. What was up with that? It could not be 1797 and the year 7 was obviously wrong, or so I thought. My list of French versions of the months was no help. I was confused. The year 7 still made no sense; the couple should have been married about 1799 based upon their dates of birth and their ages at the time of the marriage. I did what I usually do when I'm totally confused. I went on to something else. A Question About Metric About this time, my daughter asked me to look over some of her math homework involving the metric system. As I was reviewing her problems, I realized I likely had the answer to my own. As I continued scanning her work I made a quick note "revolution = new measures?" The Revolution was the Problem Belgium was under French rule in the 1790s, the likely time of the marriage record that was confusing me. The answer to my problem may lie with the French. I knew that the metric system was one of the reforms resulting from the French Revolution and seemed to remember that calendar reform was another. I then looked in my Translating Vital Records and found a reference to the French Republican Calendar. This calendar was in use between 1792 and 1805, the time when my problem record was created. And there was that month I could not read: Messidor. What I had thought was a problem with the marriage record was not a problem at all. The problem was my lack of knowledge. The Mortiers were married on 10 Messidor of year 7. Using three separate conversion sites (Translating Vital Records, the French Republican Calendar, and the Family History Library's French Republican Calendar Research Guide), I arrived at a converted date of 28 June 1799. Now the ages, dates of birth, and date of marriage were relatively consistent for the bride and the groom. That was fortunate. The bride was actually about two or three weeks shy of her twenty-eighth birthday. Two or Three Weeks? The concept of a week brings us to another difference with this calendar. The French Republican Calendar had twelve months of thirty days each. Each month contained three ten-day weeks. The names of the month were not based on month names from the Gregorian calendar, nor were they based on religious or Roman references. The twelve months in the calendar were: Vendémiare Burmaire Frimaire Nivse Pluviôse Germinal Floréal Prairial Messidor Thermidor Fructidor The twelve months made for 360 days in the year. There were five complementary days at the end of the year, which brought the total number of days to 365. Conversion charts are readily available to help researchers make the conversion from French Republican dates to Gregorian dates. The following links contain more information about the calendar and will assist genealogists in making the date conversion. The Family History Library's Guide to the French Republican Calendar does not include links to all the conversion charts for the years of the French Republican Calendar. The actual links are: For years 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7 For year 4 For years 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14 For year 12 The French Republican Calendar Converter site will perform the conversions for you, without the need for tables. It's handy for the times when you are online and doing genealogy. Personally, I'll still have some tables for library use, but this at least confirmed the date I converted manually. Lessons Learned There were three main lessons I learned from my work with the Mortier-Mortier marriage record: 1) Look through the entire record; you may find multiple references to the same event. Multiple references may help you in reading or interpreting difficult portions of the record. 2) Read the through the entire book of records. There may be finding aids interspersed among the entries. These finding aids are especially helpful when the records are written in a foreign language. 3) If the record is confusing (and many times even if it is not), learn what was happening politically in the area where the record was created. History could have impacted the way records were kept or the way language was used in the records. And of course, I learned some history along the way. And that never hurts! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Michael John Neill is the Course I Coordinator at the Genealogical Institute of Mid America (GIMA) held annually in Springfield, Illinois, and is also on the faculty of Carl Sandburg College in Galesburg, Illinois. Michael is the Web columnist for the FGS FORUM and is on the editorial board of the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly. He conducts seminars and lectures on a wide variety of genealogical and computer topics and contributes to several genealogical publications, including Ancestry Magazine and "Genealogical Computing." You can e-mail him or visit his website www.rootdig.com/, but he regrets that he is unable to assist with personal research. Copyright 2004, MyFamily.com. All rights reserved.

Tom Marshall Thank you for the work you put into the Campbell-Marshall connection. It is a very complete and well written presentation. I wish that your line and mine intersected, but alas, no such luck. My John Marshall was born in 1736 on a boat on the way to the port of Philadelphia. His father Didier Marchal was from the Palatinate. The family settled in Berks County, PA near Reading. Many stayed in that area while some moved to near by Lebanon County and still others in my immediate line migrated to Logan County, Ohio. There may have been some descendants that moved to western Penna, but I am not aware of them. Good luck in your search. John Marshall b 1929, Phila., PA. Now retired in Naples, FL > From: "Thomas J. Marshall" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:48:55 -0600 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MARSHALL] Marshall, Campball, Weede > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:49:53 -0700 > > Campbell-Marshall Connection > Sewickley Twp., Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania > > There is a unique genealogical connection between the Marshall's and > Campbell's of Sewickley Twp., Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania. My > grgrgrandfather, John Marshall, b.1782, d.1848, was a close neighborhood > friend of Robert Campbell, b.1772-3, d.1813. they lived near West Newton, > Pennsylvania. Robert Campbell married Elizabeth Boone, b.1786, d.1852, who > was an orphan living with the family of James McClurg. Robert and > Elizabeth had three children, James Hamilton, Mungo Dick, and Jane C. > > In 1812, John Marshall and Robert Campbell joined a 12 month volunteer > group of horse soldiers (Light Dragoons) from Westmoreland County, and > went off to fight in the War of 1812. On Dec. 18, 1812 their troop fought > a fierce battle with the indians near the Mississinewa river in Indiana > Territory. Many of the Troop were killed and wounded. Robert Campbell was > seriously wounded and died on Jan. 19, 1813 at Dayton, Ohio. According to > the records, John Marshall left the Troop and returned home. He had > promised Campbell to look after his wife and children. Marshall was not > married at the time. Elizabeth was awarded five years half pay from the > Government to support her children after Robert Campbell's death. James > McClurg was appointed guardian of the children. Elizabeth was raised by > the James McClurg family as stated above, so he was a father-figure to her > and could look out for the best interests of her and the children. > > In 1816, John Marshall and Elizabeth Boone Campbell were married. John had > been a suitor in her youth before she married Robert, who was a much older > man. John and Elizabeth had four children, Margaret, Eliza Ann, John, and > Mary. I am descended from John Jr. b. 1824, d. 1902. The Campbell > children and Marshall children grew up together in the new home of John and > Elizabeth. > > Mungo Dick Campbell was named for the minister of the church, Mungo Dick. > Rev. Mungo Dick was well known and respected in the area. He was also > apparently well educated because he was appointed to teach at the > Presbyterian Seminary in Pittsburgh for a number of years. Rev. Dick was a > close friend of both the Marshall's and Campbell's. One of his students at > the Seminary, Nathaniel Cooper Weede, was taken in by the Marshall family > during summers, vacations, holidays. Weede became a close friend of the > family and eventially married Jane Campbell, Robert Campbell's daughter. > Rev. N.C. Weede went on to become a well known minister in Iowa and > Illinois. In later years, he wrote his autobiography and tells a > fascinating story of his life. He tells how his family left South > Carolina around 1814-15, and moved to Ohio because they were opposed to > slavery. He tells how he graduated from Miami Univ. of Ohio, and later > attended the Presbyterian Seminary in Pittsburgh. He tells about living > with the John Marshall family, and his life in Westmoreland County, Pa. > > Elizabeth applied to the U.S. Government in 1850 for Bounty Land on the > basis of John Marshall's service during the War of 1812. John Marshall > died in 1848. She was awarded 80 acres of land near Decatur, Illinois. > She signed her name with an "X". M.D. Campbell was also a signer on the > application. I have no knowledge of what she did with the land. I know > the exact location, and it appears to be part of the city of Decatur at > this time, 150 years later. > > Elizabeth died on Christmas Eve, 1852, of Typhoid Fever. Her death > certificate states that her father was John Boon. There is no name listed > for her mother. Since she was an orphan, her family in 1852 may not have > known any details of her early years. She may not have known much either. > > By: Thomas J. Marshall, grgrgrandson of John Marshall, Sr. > (Revised 11 Dec 2001.) > > Does anyone have knowledge of these families? I have more on the Marshall > line. Contact me. > Tom Marshall > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Campbell-Marshall Connection Sewickley Twp., Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania There is a unique genealogical connection between the Marshall's and Campbell's of Sewickley Twp., Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania. My grgrgrandfather, John Marshall, b.1782, d.1848, was a close neighborhood friend of Robert Campbell, b.1772-3, d.1813. they lived near West Newton, Pennsylvania. Robert Campbell married Elizabeth Boone, b.1786, d.1852, who was an orphan living with the family of James McClurg. Robert and Elizabeth had three children, James Hamilton, Mungo Dick, and Jane C. In 1812, John Marshall and Robert Campbell joined a 12 month volunteer group of horse soldiers (Light Dragoons) from Westmoreland County, and went off to fight in the War of 1812. On Dec. 18, 1812 their troop fought a fierce battle with the indians near the Mississinewa river in Indiana Territory. Many of the Troop were killed and wounded. Robert Campbell was seriously wounded and died on Jan. 19, 1813 at Dayton, Ohio. According to the records, John Marshall left the Troop and returned home. He had promised Campbell to look after his wife and children. Marshall was not married at the time. Elizabeth was awarded five years half pay from the Government to support her children after Robert Campbell's death. James McClurg was appointed guardian of the children. Elizabeth was raised by the James McClurg family as stated above, so he was a father-figure to her and could look out for the best interests of her and the children. In 1816, John Marshall and Elizabeth Boone Campbell were married. John had been a suitor in her youth before she married Robert, who was a much older man. John and Elizabeth had four children, Margaret, Eliza Ann, John, and Mary. I am descended from John Jr. b. 1824, d. 1902. The Campbell children and Marshall children grew up together in the new home of John and Elizabeth. Mungo Dick Campbell was named for the minister of the church, Mungo Dick. Rev. Mungo Dick was well known and respected in the area. He was also apparently well educated because he was appointed to teach at the Presbyterian Seminary in Pittsburgh for a number of years. Rev. Dick was a close friend of both the Marshall's and Campbell's. One of his students at the Seminary, Nathaniel Cooper Weede, was taken in by the Marshall family during summers, vacations, holidays. Weede became a close friend of the family and eventially married Jane Campbell, Robert Campbell's daughter. Rev. N.C. Weede went on to become a well known minister in Iowa and Illinois. In later years, he wrote his autobiography and tells a fascinating story of his life. He tells how his family left South Carolina around 1814-15, and moved to Ohio because they were opposed to slavery. He tells how he graduated from Miami Univ. of Ohio, and later attended the Presbyterian Seminary in Pittsburgh. He tells about living with the John Marshall family, and his life in Westmoreland County, Pa. Elizabeth applied to the U.S. Government in 1850 for Bounty Land on the basis of John Marshall's service during the War of 1812. John Marshall died in 1848. She was awarded 80 acres of land near Decatur, Illinois. She signed her name with an "X". M.D. Campbell was also a signer on the application. I have no knowledge of what she did with the land. I know the exact location, and it appears to be part of the city of Decatur at this time, 150 years later. Elizabeth died on Christmas Eve, 1852, of Typhoid Fever. Her death certificate states that her father was John Boon. There is no name listed for her mother. Since she was an orphan, her family in 1852 may not have known any details of her early years. She may not have known much either. By: Thomas J. Marshall, grgrgrandson of John Marshall, Sr. (Revised 11 Dec 2001.) Does anyone have knowledge of these families? I have more on the Marshall line. Contact me. Tom Marshall

FYI: Found these old family histories on ebay. All profits go to the cemetery restoration project shown on this page. http://barbourcoalcemeteries.homestead.com/CemeterySurveyors.html They have done a fine job at preserving several of the old cemeteries, as well as neat way of putting headstone photos on cd. 1885 MARSHALL Family History 417 pages! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2977851390 1913 MARSHALL Family History ENGLAND-MA-VT-NY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2977852749 1956 MARSHALL Family History VA-NC-SC http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2977853886 1884 MARSHALL Family History SCOTLAND/PA/TX + http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2977856506 I have ordered a few and hope they help someone else, Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/04

NOTE OUR NEW VENUE! The West Coast Quebec Genealogy Group is meeting this Saturday, January 10, 10:00 - noonish, in the upstairs room at the BCGS Resource Centre in Surrey. The address is: 12837-76th Avenue, #211 Phone number: 604-502-9119 If you'd like a map, e-mail me as I have a scanned one I can easily forward. Drop-in fee $2.00 which goes towards purchasing Quebec resources. Bring along a wish list of Quebec resources that you'd eventually like to see in the library. Of course, non-BCGS members are welcome and can check out the library as well. Note re parking: Besides the eight stalls at the Dictaphone office, which is at the end of the building, on 76th. Ave., people can park at the UFCW Training Centre (that is the United Food and Culinary Workers) which is right at the corner of 76th. Ave. and 128th. St. in the first building. Remember to bring a mug, we'll have the tea and coffee. If you'd like more information, please e-mail me.

Hello everyone, I was sent this posting from another mailing list and I feel that it would be of great value to anyone doing research in Scotland. For those of you that do not know, The Scotsman is Scotland's National newspaper online. This newspaper recently published an article entitled "A window on Scotland 450 years ago". The General Registrar Of Scotland is in the process of creating digital images of the records, and aims to transfer all their records online during 2004. The initiative is part of the GROS 's Digitally Imaging The Genealogical Records of Scotland project (DIGROS) and can be viewed at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The Scotland's People site comes from a partnership between the GROS and Scotland On Line. Scotland's People is the official online source of parish register, civil registration and census records for Scotland. If you would like to read more about this article, you can go to: http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/scotland.cfm?id=1412292003 Enjoy Carol Gabriel List Admin

Hi, My gggrandmother was the owner of the property where she and my gggrandfather lived. He never owned it. She handled all the business concerning the property. In her will she left the property to him. This was the time span of 1840s to 1890 when she died. I thought this was unusual. By the way, her name was Margaret Louisa MARSHALL HANCCOCK. Mary

I have run across this situation several times. I think it was mostly with a second marriage and the man moved into her home and she still considered herself head of the house. I don't know if that was the case always but I have wondered if the census taker just forgot the man and put them on the end. Probably a number of different reasons. Helen

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:18:39 -0800, The Gabriels in BC <[email protected]> wrote: > I found this article at Ancestry.com and I think that this is a great > read. I know that I personally have ever only taken census information > at > face value. I will now try to figure out why the information is listed > as > it is. > > Happy Hunting > Carol Gabriel > > List Admin > > "An 1880 Female Head of Household" > by Michael John Neill > > At first glance the 1880 census entry for my third-great-grandmother > looks > unusual. The wife is enumerated first in the household and all > relationships > are given with respect to her. Not unusual for widows to be enumerated as > household heads. The only difference is that her husband is enumerated as > the last resident in the household! > > In summary the entry is as follows: > > Anna Fecht, aged 65, [head], married > John Habben, aged 20, son, single > George Habben, aged 18, son, single > Anna Habben, aged 13, daughter, single > Mattie Halts, aged 10, granddaughter, single > George Fecht, aged 12, stepson, single > Henry Fecht, aged 65, no relationship stated, married > > The online 1880 census transcription (obtainable via FamilySearch or > Ancestry.com) provided this summary. The actual census itself agreed. > > [Source: 1880 U.S. Federal Census; Census Place: Prairie, Hancock, > Illinois; > Roll: T9_211; Family History Film: 1254211; Page: 235D; Enumeration > District: 77; Image: 0472. Readers can view the actual family's entry > here. > > It Is Really Unusual? > In a word, yes. I've seen numerous married couples enumerated in census > records and cannot ever remember seeing the wife listed as the head of > the > household when the husband was also included within the same household > (If > you know of other situations like this, I'd love to hear about it.) This > is > very atypical. > I do not know of any other similar listings. It is likely due to the reasons outlined in the original post, but it is possible that her husband was disabled. He may have had a stroke or severe accident and was unable to perform any normal activity. She would have to assume the head of household duties.

Hello everyone, I hope that you have all had a safe and warm Christmas and New Years holiday. I apologize for not getting this out earlier, but after a much needed holiday, I can finally think straight again. I think that a little house keeping is in order with a new year. Over the past few months I have seen an increasing number of requests to "Please change me email address" from some of our subscribers. I have no problem in doing this, but you are also required to do a little work as well. Just remember that even though your mailing list email address has changed, all your other postings are still the same. Everyone really should go to http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ to get a list of mailing lists they are on. Do this under your old email address and your new email address. Then go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/addresses/ for information and instructions on how to change your address, or who to contact for assistance. Keep in mind that the brick wall you may have today may be broken next year by someone that comes across an old email address. There is nothing more frustrating then trying to email someone that holds the key to a brick wall just to find out their email address is invalid! Trust me! Finally, I have noticed in the few years since I have been a member of Rootsweb.com that typically, shortly after the new year begins there is an increase of new subscribers. Many people get computers for Christmas and some of those people decide to make genealogy a new years resolution. If and when some of these people join our list, please keep in mind that they are new at genealogy. They are more then likely going to ask questions that have been answered a thousand times before. Please be nice to these new subscribers because we were there once too. If you know their answers, then please be kind and answer their questions and help them when they need help. Thank you everyone Have a great year Carol Gabriel List Admin

I found this article at Ancestry.com and I think that this is a great read. I know that I personally have ever only taken census information at face value. I will now try to figure out why the information is listed as it is. Happy Hunting Carol Gabriel List Admin "An 1880 Female Head of Household" by Michael John Neill At first glance the 1880 census entry for my third-great-grandmother looks unusual. The wife is enumerated first in the household and all relationships are given with respect to her. Not unusual for widows to be enumerated as household heads. The only difference is that her husband is enumerated as the last resident in the household! In summary the entry is as follows: Anna Fecht, aged 65, [head], married John Habben, aged 20, son, single George Habben, aged 18, son, single Anna Habben, aged 13, daughter, single Mattie Halts, aged 10, granddaughter, single George Fecht, aged 12, stepson, single Henry Fecht, aged 65, no relationship stated, married The online 1880 census transcription (obtainable via FamilySearch or Ancestry.com) provided this summary. The actual census itself agreed. [Source: 1880 U.S. Federal Census; Census Place: Prairie, Hancock, Illinois; Roll: T9_211; Family History Film: 1254211; Page: 235D; Enumeration District: 77; Image: 0472. Readers can view the actual family's entry here. It Is Really Unusual? In a word, yes. I've seen numerous married couples enumerated in census records and cannot ever remember seeing the wife listed as the head of the household when the husband was also included within the same household (If you know of other situations like this, I'd love to hear about it.) This is very atypical. And the Genealogist Asks Why? Good genealogists are like small children in the sense that they are always asking, "why?" The unusual nature of the family's entry could be a mistake. The genealogist should be careful of reading too much into just one entry. The oddness of this entry indicates there might be more here than meets the eye. And even if I'm wrong and the entry is a fluke, my search for more information on this family and their background may benefit my research in ways totally unrelated to the census enumeration. And that is always a good thing. Culture and money impact families in many ways. The difficulty is in learning more about a family's cultural background and financial situation. Even if we locate a great deal of information, certain inferences will be necessary (unless the family left behind extensive diaries, which did not happen in this case). We will look at the family's economic situation first. They say, after all, that money talks. The Background Antje (the Anna listed as the 1880 head of household) was married first to Mimke Habben in Germany in the 1840s. County courthouse records (property, tax, court, and estate records) provide details about the Habbens' life in the states. Mimke bought a farm promptly after the family's immigration and paid off the mortgage within a few years. He died in February of 1877 and that August, Antje married Hinrich Fecht, a widower from the same village in Germany. After Mimke's death, Antje was the owner of approximately 200 acres of prime Illinois farmland. Family legend has it that Hinrich Fecht was not well off financially; searches of land and property tax records did not reveal any real property owned by Hinrich, backing up the family story. Testimony in an unrelated court case indicates that son Johann worked the Habben farm under the "direction of his mother." This reference included a time span after the mother had married Hinrich Fecht. The Ethnic Background In most areas during this time period, a subsequent husband would have exercised significant control over any real property his wife brought to the marriage. Local culture and the law typically supported this practice. The difference in this case is that the Fechts and the Habbens were members of an ethnic group that viewed land ownership somewhat differently than their non-immigrant neighbors. And immigrants sometimes act in accord with their homeland culture instead of the culture of their new surroundings. Two studies were located that briefly discuss the farming and inheritance practices of the Ostfriesens. Faye E. Corner's A Study of the Descendants of an East Frisian Group, and Sonya Salamon's Prairie Patrimony both indicate that the Ostfriesen immigrant view of real property was that any property brought to a marriage by a woman was still "hers." Salamon states: "[Ostfriesen] women keep land inherited in their own names. One husband who forced his wife to sign over her land [to him] was still critically judged . even years later." (page 125) Property that a woman obtained from "her family" was typically considered "hers" and was not under the total control of her husband. Getting back to the Census Does this completely explain why Antje is listed as the head of the household in 1880? I'm not certain, but I do know that I have learned something in trying to figure out this census entry. By searching all local extant records and learning about the ethnic group from which the family came, I know more about them than the census entry indicates by itself. And it might help me as I research this family further. Sources Salamon, Sonya. Prairie Patrimony. University of North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 1992. Corner, Faye E., A Non-mobile, Cooperative Type of Community: A Study of the Descendants of an East Frisian Group, University of Illinois Studies in the Social Sciences, Vol. XVI, No. 4, December 1928, pages 15-80.

Happy New Year! Thought I would send you the url of a company called iArchives that has placed sixteen volumes of colonial records and twelve volumes of Pennsylvania Archives on-line as a company demonstration. To access this site go to http://www.iarchives.com. If you click on demos/clients and then "genealogy data" demonstration, you will be able to use a search engine to search this source. Lots and Lots of Marshalls (and everything else) I was, unfortunately unable to get the pages to print off. Happy Researching! Betty

Hey there everyone, I was sent this link by another subscriber. This could be a great tool for people research in the England and Wales. The University of Leicester is creating a digital library of eighteenth, nineteenth and early twentieth century local and trade directories from England and Wales. The directories include lists of names, addresses and occupations of the inhabitants of the counties and towns they describe, and successive editions reflect the changes in the localities over a period of time. There is also a powerful search engine available so that names, occupations, addresses and other key words or phrases can be located to their exact places on pages within the text. The link is: http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ Happy Hunting and Merry Christmas Carol Gabriel List Admin

In a message dated 12/21/2003 9:57:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Hi, > Sorry to just be getting back to you here is a brief on my line. > > John Marshall b 1715 ,Westmoreland , Pennsylvania > son Aaron Marshall b.1740 m Sarah Snowden > > Does any of this match yours? > Pat > Pat, I just DON"T KNOW. I have only been able to trace Daniel back to his tombstone records: 1817-1867. And the census records which state that he was born in Pennsylvania. I always assume that the settlers always traveled "West". Northumberland is located in "Central" PA, if you locate that county on the map. Westmoreland is out in Western Pennsylvania, I think. Please keep me in mind if you come across a "Daniel" in your travels. Thanks. Deborah

Let me add that we certainly do have to be careful about things we find on web sites or even things people send to us through the mail. For example My great grandfather on my mother's side was in the Spanish-American War, but never shipped out to Cuba. I have copies of his records from the US Archives the show that clearly. Yet, there is a web site about him that is maintained by another descendant who claims he charged up San Juan Hill with Teddy Roosevelt. There is even a picture of him on horseback with a backdrop (obviously a fake backdrop) that is supposed to look like what people though Cuba looked like then. I notified the keeper of that web site that our mutual ancestor never left the states and send along copies of the things I have that showed that. Alias, the last time I checked he had not changed his web site to reflect the truth. David Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Gabriels in BC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: [MARSHALL] Genealogy Frauds > Exactly! This is precisely what I meant. Someday I will learn how to > put my words in order. Thank you Charles for your insight! > > Happy Hunting and Merry Christmas > Carol Gabriel > > List Admin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CW Marshall" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Genealogy Frauds > > > > Along similar lines as David states and Carol previous to that, it is the > > ultimate responsibility of the researcher to validate any information they > > find and feel may tie into their line. Having access to databases like > > David's or any other information gleaned from any web site can NEVER be > > taken at face value; it's impossible for David, for example, to validate > > each entry - that's our job if we choose to use/pursue that info. People > > make transcription mistakes all the time and it's very easy to have > > incorrect information in your personal records when its not been > > verified. In this age of easy internet access, it's really easy to access > > all kinds of info on all of these various web sites and for the casual (or > > dare I say lazy?) genealogist, they may just assume it's correct (part of > > their family line) and pass it along as such to the next unsuspecting > > person, perpetuating the problem. These internet "finds" are wonderful > and > > very much appreciated clues but the diligent researcher must always take > > those extra steps to get back to the original documents to validate and > > "prove" anything they find that appears to be a match with their family > > research. For most of us, this means using microfilms or getting > > photocopies of the originals but that's the next best thing and is > > certainly reliable. > > > > This is a conversation that invariably comes up as a discussion point on > > most e-mail lists at some point (and usually more than once over > > time). The answers are always the same: verify, verify and verify back > the > > to "original" source docs - never assume! Yes, it's extra work and yes it > > may cost extra money as well as slow things down a bit but it's worth that > > extra effort to feel confident in knowing that you family history > > information is as accurate as it can possibly be. > > > > Best wishes and Season's Greetings to all. > > > > Charles Marshall > > Gresham, Oregon > > > > At 04:03 AM 12/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >______________________________X-Message: #3 > > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:55:17 -0500 > > >From: "David Marshall" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > >Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Genealogy Frauds > > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > >Carol, > > > > > >This prompts several questions in my mind. For example I have had > > >discussions with people who will argue that we should not pass along any > > >information we receive about family lines unless we "verify" the > > >information. That sounds reasonable on the surface, but I have a > question. > > >How many of you think that I have (or would ever be able to) personally > > >verify the 40,000 + names in my database? A show of hands would be fine > > >there..... Well I don't see any hands. Does that mean that the > information > > >in my database should be purged of all names that I cannot personally > > >verify? > > > > > >I freely acknowledge that the data is collected through a combination of > > >personal knowledge, research, and from hundreds of other people who > > >contributed their information. I also freely admit that there are errors > in > > >the database. However, I still think it is important to share that > > >information with as many people as I can. Why? Well, I get email > messages > > >every week with corrections to the many names, dates, and locations that > I > > >have recorded. In fact I encourage people to seek out the errors and > call > > >them to my attention. I am never offended when someone tells me that I > have > > >their grandmother's birth date wrong and gives me the correct date, or > that > > >Carol is really a male rather than a female as my database shows. > > > > > >The bottom line is that it is through the "sharing" process that we > improve > > >the accuracy of what we have. To refuse to show or pass along data that > I > > >have not "personally" verified would impede the genealogy process. > > > > > >So, go to it. Look through my web site and point out all the errors you > can > > >find. > > > > > >This is just one of many questions we could bring up on the subject of > good > > >genealogy research. > > > > > >Have a good holiday season and don't take me too seriously. I don't. > > > > > >David Marshall > > >West Columbia, South Carolina. > > >www.marshallgenealogy.org > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Exactly! This is precisely what I meant. Someday I will learn how to put my words in order. Thank you Charles for your insight! Happy Hunting and Merry Christmas Carol Gabriel List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "CW Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Genealogy Frauds > Along similar lines as David states and Carol previous to that, it is the > ultimate responsibility of the researcher to validate any information they > find and feel may tie into their line. Having access to databases like > David's or any other information gleaned from any web site can NEVER be > taken at face value; it's impossible for David, for example, to validate > each entry - that's our job if we choose to use/pursue that info. People > make transcription mistakes all the time and it's very easy to have > incorrect information in your personal records when its not been > verified. In this age of easy internet access, it's really easy to access > all kinds of info on all of these various web sites and for the casual (or > dare I say lazy?) genealogist, they may just assume it's correct (part of > their family line) and pass it along as such to the next unsuspecting > person, perpetuating the problem. These internet "finds" are wonderful and > very much appreciated clues but the diligent researcher must always take > those extra steps to get back to the original documents to validate and > "prove" anything they find that appears to be a match with their family > research. For most of us, this means using microfilms or getting > photocopies of the originals but that's the next best thing and is > certainly reliable. > > This is a conversation that invariably comes up as a discussion point on > most e-mail lists at some point (and usually more than once over > time). The answers are always the same: verify, verify and verify back the > to "original" source docs - never assume! Yes, it's extra work and yes it > may cost extra money as well as slow things down a bit but it's worth that > extra effort to feel confident in knowing that you family history > information is as accurate as it can possibly be. > > Best wishes and Season's Greetings to all. > > Charles Marshall > Gresham, Oregon > > At 04:03 AM 12/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >______________________________X-Message: #3 > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:55:17 -0500 > >From: "David Marshall" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Genealogy Frauds > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Carol, > > > >This prompts several questions in my mind. For example I have had > >discussions with people who will argue that we should not pass along any > >information we receive about family lines unless we "verify" the > >information. That sounds reasonable on the surface, but I have a question. > >How many of you think that I have (or would ever be able to) personally > >verify the 40,000 + names in my database? A show of hands would be fine > >there..... Well I don't see any hands. Does that mean that the information > >in my database should be purged of all names that I cannot personally > >verify? > > > >I freely acknowledge that the data is collected through a combination of > >personal knowledge, research, and from hundreds of other people who > >contributed their information. I also freely admit that there are errors in > >the database. However, I still think it is important to share that > >information with as many people as I can. Why? Well, I get email messages > >every week with corrections to the many names, dates, and locations that I > >have recorded. In fact I encourage people to seek out the errors and call > >them to my attention. I am never offended when someone tells me that I have > >their grandmother's birth date wrong and gives me the correct date, or that > >Carol is really a male rather than a female as my database shows. > > > >The bottom line is that it is through the "sharing" process that we improve > >the accuracy of what we have. To refuse to show or pass along data that I > >have not "personally" verified would impede the genealogy process. > > > >So, go to it. Look through my web site and point out all the errors you can > >find. > > > >This is just one of many questions we could bring up on the subject of good > >genealogy research. > > > >Have a good holiday season and don't take me too seriously. I don't. > > > >David Marshall > >West Columbia, South Carolina. > >www.marshallgenealogy.org > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >