Mr. Marshall, After reading your info. on the family, we are no relation. So you can remove my address from your list. Thanks. Catherine Marshall Palmer

In/re to William Marshall, I have no knowledge of a William Marshall in our family. Do you have any Claggets or Clagetts, who were married to a Marshall. We were located in Maryland and Washington, D.C. I am a Marshall and have a twin brother, John. My full name is Katherine Alice Marshall Palmer. My twin brothers name is John William Marshall. We are in our late 70's at this time. My father wworked hard on the family tree when he was alive. I still have most of it. Let me know where your family came from. Alice Marshall Palmer

I have changed my email address to [email protected] Just wanted to let everyone know! Cora Lee

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In a message dated 5/13/04 9:00:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > It seems Edward III was descended from all five of his daughters, so > Pardon? I don't understand this.

I would be interested in seeing that Lineage. Thank you -- The Family Tree for the James Marshall family site is www.geocities.com/hayesliner2002/

Sir William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke, called "The Protector", was a great historical figure, and one I'd be proud to claim as an ancestor. And maybe someday I'll find such a link, but it will be through his five daughters, and not any of his five sons (all five of them died without issue). I have an entry for Sir William Marshall in my file at WorldConnect http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wtm2&op=GET&id=I90093 along with a bibliography of sources and info on his descendants. (The descendency list on WorldConnect takes 102 pages for him, to 10 gen) It seems Edward III was descended from all five of his daughters, so if you have a descent from him you get Sir William too. Bill Marshall [email protected] -----original message----- From: "William J. Marshall" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:41:08 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [MARSHALL] William Marshal Dear List, At the time of the death of Henry 1 in 1135 one John Fitz Gilbert was the marshal of his court. John had a son known as William Marshal that was a hero of tournaments and acquired much authority during the reign of Henry's sons, especially Richard. Marshal lost favor with King John during much of his reign, but King John finally realized his value and requested him to be the regent for his nine year old son, Henry 111. Marshal served as regent for Henry 111 from the death of King John until because of poor health he resigned in April of 1219 which was shortly before his death. As a practical matter he was the King of England during that period and did a good job of cleaning up the mess King John had left. Marshall left sons named William, Richard,Gilbert, Walter and Anselm in addition to five daughters. The four oldest daughters were well married. Jeanne was the only one not married at the time of his death. As surnames were just getting started about this time I suspect that many of the Marshalls now living are descendants of William Marshal or one of his brothers (he had a nephew John that was mentioned often as helping him and was present at the time of his death). My question to the list is whether any of you have traced your ancestry to this William Marshal or if you know of any list of his descendants. If any of you are interested in reading more about William Marshal there is a book by Sidney Painter called "William Marshal, Knight-Errant, Baron, & Regent of England" published by Barnes & Noble by arrangement with Johns Hopkins University Press. Very truly yours, William J. Marshall

Dear Carol, Thanks for your prompt reply, and congratulations on being a descendant of William Marshal. I would certainly appreciate having you send me the lineage you offered. About the only thing I can send you that might be of interest are copies of a few pictures I took of Tintern Abbey while I was in Ireland in April. As you probably know, William Marshall has been given credit for building this abbey. Very truly yours, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Gabriels in BC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] William Marshal > William; > I connect to this William Marshall, infact he would be my 29th great > grandfather baring any affairs an illegitimate children. I am related to > him through the Bigelow's. I can pass along the lineage if you would be > interested. > > Let me know > Carol Gabriel > > List Admin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Marshall" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:41 AM > Subject: [MARSHALL] William Marshal > > > > Dear List, > > > > At the time of the death of Henry 1 in 1135 one John Fitz Gilbert was the > > marshal of his court. John had a son known as William Marshal that was > a > > hero of tournaments and acquired much authority during the reign of > Henry's > > sons, especially Richard. Marshal lost favor with King John during much > of > > his reign, but King John finally realized his value and requested him to > be > > the regent for his nine year old son, Henry 111. > > > > Marshal served as regent for Henry 111 from the death of King John until > > because of poor health he resigned in April of 1219 which was shortly > before > > his death. As a practical matter he was the King of England during that > > period and did a good job of cleaning up the mess King John had left. > > > > Marshall left sons named William, Richard,Gilbert, Walter and Anselm in > > addition to five daughters. The four oldest daughters were well married. > > Jeanne was the only one not married at the time of his death. > > > > As surnames were just getting started about this time I suspect that many > of > > the Marshalls now living are descendants of William Marshal or one of his > > brothers (he had a nephew John that was mentioned often as helping him and > > was present at the time of his death). > > > > My question to the list is whether any of you have traced your ancestry > to > > this William Marshal or if you know of any list of his descendants. > > > > If any of you are interested in reading more about William Marshal there > is > > a book by Sidney Painter called "William Marshal, Knight-Errant, Baron, & > > Regent of England" published by Barnes & Noble by arrangement with Johns > > Hopkins University Press. > > > > Very truly yours, > > > > William J. Marshall > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

William; I connect to this William Marshall, infact he would be my 29th great grandfather baring any affairs an illegitimate children. I am related to him through the Bigelow's. I can pass along the lineage if you would be interested. Let me know Carol Gabriel List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [MARSHALL] William Marshal > Dear List, > > At the time of the death of Henry 1 in 1135 one John Fitz Gilbert was the > marshal of his court. John had a son known as William Marshal that was a > hero of tournaments and acquired much authority during the reign of Henry's > sons, especially Richard. Marshal lost favor with King John during much of > his reign, but King John finally realized his value and requested him to be > the regent for his nine year old son, Henry 111. > > Marshal served as regent for Henry 111 from the death of King John until > because of poor health he resigned in April of 1219 which was shortly before > his death. As a practical matter he was the King of England during that > period and did a good job of cleaning up the mess King John had left. > > Marshall left sons named William, Richard,Gilbert, Walter and Anselm in > addition to five daughters. The four oldest daughters were well married. > Jeanne was the only one not married at the time of his death. > > As surnames were just getting started about this time I suspect that many of > the Marshalls now living are descendants of William Marshal or one of his > brothers (he had a nephew John that was mentioned often as helping him and > was present at the time of his death). > > My question to the list is whether any of you have traced your ancestry to > this William Marshal or if you know of any list of his descendants. > > If any of you are interested in reading more about William Marshal there is > a book by Sidney Painter called "William Marshal, Knight-Errant, Baron, & > Regent of England" published by Barnes & Noble by arrangement with Johns > Hopkins University Press. > > Very truly yours, > > William J. Marshall > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear List, At the time of the death of Henry 1 in 1135 one John Fitz Gilbert was the marshal of his court. John had a son known as William Marshal that was a hero of tournaments and acquired much authority during the reign of Henry's sons, especially Richard. Marshal lost favor with King John during much of his reign, but King John finally realized his value and requested him to be the regent for his nine year old son, Henry 111. Marshal served as regent for Henry 111 from the death of King John until because of poor health he resigned in April of 1219 which was shortly before his death. As a practical matter he was the King of England during that period and did a good job of cleaning up the mess King John had left. Marshall left sons named William, Richard,Gilbert, Walter and Anselm in addition to five daughters. The four oldest daughters were well married. Jeanne was the only one not married at the time of his death. As surnames were just getting started about this time I suspect that many of the Marshalls now living are descendants of William Marshal or one of his brothers (he had a nephew John that was mentioned often as helping him and was present at the time of his death). My question to the list is whether any of you have traced your ancestry to this William Marshal or if you know of any list of his descendants. If any of you are interested in reading more about William Marshal there is a book by Sidney Painter called "William Marshal, Knight-Errant, Baron, & Regent of England" published by Barnes & Noble by arrangement with Johns Hopkins University Press. Very truly yours, William J. Marshall

Hello everyone. I joined the list today in hopes of learning more about my Marshall branch. My greatgreatgrandfather was William H. Marshall. Census records indicate he was born in North Carolina in 1832. He married Martha C. Pickel. She was born 16 Jan 1832 in Bedford County, Tennessee. Her obit states they were married about 1854, near Memphis, TN. Their son James H. Marshall was born in 1858 in West Tennessee according to William G. Cutler's History of the State of Kansas. Their daughter (my greatgrandmother) Elisabeth Marshall was born 22 Sept 1962, somewhere in Arkansas. Then they moved to Illinois. They are on the 1870 census in Macon, Macon County, Illinois, with two more children, Josephine and Ella. They moved to Kansas in 1871, and had two more children, Lila in 1873 and William Joseph on 26 September 1876. Transcriptions of the Winfield Courier lead me to believe William may have been a stage driver in July 1876, and/or opened a photograph gallery in October 1876. William H. Marshall died on 3 Jan 1877 and is buried in Mt. Zion Cemetery, Cowley County, KS. Elisabeth married Clay Stewart, and I have more info on them. Lilah married Coleman Abel Waite, and I have a little bit of info on them. William Joseph married Ora Olive Bonewell. I have more on them. I have nothing on the others. I am seeking more information on William H. Where in NC was he born? Who were his parents? Did he have siblings? Any info or suggestions will be appreciated. Lynn Stewart Visone Coconut Creek, FL

A less probable, though not impossible, reason is that they all died in some sort of accident - I have a whole family who died along with many others when a train derailed on the way back from a wedding in the mid-1850s. This was in South Africa, but it doesn't mean similar things couldn't happen elsewhere.... Sharon Cape Town ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Digging For Gold In A Cemetery Plot > Just a thought about the 4 burials on the same day. > > It did happen in some areas that the actual burial did not > take place for some time due to frozen ground and not > being able to dig the graves. > Perhaps that spring day in April was when the ground was > thawed enough to dig? > > Jane > A Virginian living in Florida > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Our church here in Florida is buying land which coincidentally has a small cemetery. My husband and I walked the cemetery one day. There were two interesting graves. One was a lady named Jessie, with an 1828 date of burial. The other affected us so much, we just stood there in sadness. The date was only a couple of years ago. A young mother and her two young children lay there together. All the dates of deaths were the same. I think I recall a terrible traffic accident. There are many reasons for multiple deaths. Its a good reminder that unfortunate tragedies still happen. So lets all be careful out there. I plan to walk the cemetery again with pad and pen. Where would I email the list to have it online? I've seen various places; but don't recall 'where or who'... Thanks.. Shirley S.

You could send it to Cyndi's List. www.cyndislist.com Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Starks To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Digging For Gold In A Cemetery Plot Our church here in Florida is buying land which coincidentally has a small cemetery. My husband and I walked the cemetery one day. There were two interesting graves. One was a lady named Jessie, with an 1828 date of burial. The other affected us so much, we just stood there in sadness. The date was only a couple of years ago. A young mother and her two young children lay there together. All the dates of deaths were the same. I think I recall a terrible traffic accident. There are many reasons for multiple deaths. Its a good reminder that unfortunate tragedies still happen. So lets all be careful out there. I plan to walk the cemetery again with pad and pen. Where would I email the list to have it online? I've seen various places; but don't recall 'where or who'... Thanks.. Shirley S. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This has happened in my family in my life time. A power line was hit by lightning and started a brush fire. The downed power line was laying in the brush and was unseen. One family member became electrified and a second member went to help. This continued until four of the family of five were electrocuted. The fifth member was credited for saving others who came to fight the fire by telling them to keep away from the electric wire. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MARSHALL] Digging For Gold In A Cemetery Plot > Just a thought about the 4 burials on the same day. > > It did happen in some areas that the actual burial did not > take place for some time due to frozen ground and not > being able to dig the graves. > Perhaps that spring day in April was when the ground was > thawed enough to dig? > > Jane > A Virginian living in Florida > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Just a thought about the 4 burials on the same day. It did happen in some areas that the actual burial did not take place for some time due to frozen ground and not being able to dig the graves. Perhaps that spring day in April was when the ground was thawed enough to dig? Jane A Virginian living in Florida

Family History Compass Follow-Up: Digging for More Gold in a Cemetery Plot by Juliana Smith In last week's column, "Digging for Gold in a Cemetery Plot," I shared some leads I've been pursuing from a list of interments for a cemetery plot registered to the "Estate of James Kelly." James Kelly is my fourth-great-grandfather. In response, I received some really nice and interesting e-mails, so I thought I'd pursue the topic further, answering some questions I received and sharing some of the tips that also came in. Without further ado, let's dig in. (I promise that is the last really lame pun I'll use--for this article anyway.) How Did You Get the List of Interments? The majority of the people who wrote inquired as to how I got the list of interments, so we'll start there. The request was simply in the form of correspondence typed to the cemetery. We learned from The Graveyard Shift: A Family Historian's Guide to New York City Cemeteries, by Carolee Inskeep, that "burial records are available for a fee. You must know the date of death or burial, since Calvary's records are arranged by date. There are no records for the years 1848-1852." (The complete listing for Calvary from this book is available online at Ancestry.com.) We had the death and burial dates for siblings James and Elizabeth Kelly from their death certificates. These death certificates also listed Calvary Cemetery as the site for the burials and we included that information in our letter. Death and burial dates can also be found in obituaries or on funeral cards that may be in the possession of family members. Information requirements and fees will vary from cemetery to cemetery. You'll want to be certain you are receiving the correct record (not the record of someone with a similar name), as these requests can be quite costly. We initially requested the plot location for these two individuals and the names of any other people buried in that same plot and sent a check for $40. (We learned of the initial cost on a RootsWeb mailing list for the area--another good place to check for information on cemeteries in a particular area.) We received the location and were told that it would cost an additional $16 for information on the others buried there. In my world, $56 is a whole lot of money for just one record. It will buy a whole year's worth of census or some other subscription, or a CD with data that could be mined for much more than one family, and still have lunch money left over. However, since we are not close enough to visit the cemetery ourselves, we didn't have much choice. It was either ante up or sit tight on our brick wall until we either had a chance to visit ourselves, or found some other way to get the information. The $56 price tag still beats the cost of a trip to New York, and the information we received will keep us going for now with our research. We also received a letter from the cemetery informing us that James Kelly's 1864 estate owes nearly $9,000 in maintenance fees and that for a grand total of $18,000 plus change we could pay the outstanding balance for him and also provide for "Perpetual Care" for the graveholding. (And I thought the $56 fee was steep!) I'm afraid this is one bill I'm going to have to pass back to James Kelly. After all, even though I enjoy learning about this family, we're not that close. He never calls or writes. Locating Cemetery and Contact Information Your search for information on the cemetery of your ancestors may be as simple as a Google search (www.google.com) for the cemetery name. If the cemetery name is a common one, you'll also want to include the location (e.g., "Holy Cross Cemetery" "Brooklyn New York"). Some cemeteries maintain websites with varying degrees of information. The website for Catholic Cemeteries of Chicago includes location and contact information, along with a brief history of each cemetery (www.cathcemchgo.org/Locations.htm). The City of Tampa, Florida, maintains four cemeteries and their website includes a database that can be searched by surname for death dates and grave locations. The Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, New York, (www.green-wood.com) also provides a database, with options to search by first and last name or last name and burial date. I've had lots of fun with this puppy! There are also a number of websites that serve as directories of cemeteries and of cemetery data online. Many of them are listed on Cyndi's List at www.cyndislist.com/cemetery.htm. Online directories like www.switchboard.com will also provide you with contact information, and a quick call to the cemetery office can help you determine what information and fees are required. In some cases, they may even be willing to assist you over the phone. Other E-Mails I Received I received a number of other e-mails on the subject, including messages from William Grohoski and Fran Neuvirth, who both reminded me that in regard to the four interments that listed the same burial date, they may have all been deaths that occurred over winter when the ground was frozen. Often, in northern climes, cemeteries had vaults where they would store these bodies until the ground was thawed enough to bury them. This is indeed something we considered, and to get a feel for when burials resumed, I scanned the obituaries in the "New York Times" from January through April 1865. During the winter months, you typically don't see any mention of a final resting place, with the exception of those bodies that were being transported to another town or state. Around the first week in April, I started finding obituaries that included something like, "Remains to be taken to Greenwood for interment," which would seem to indicate that burials had resumed. While it's still possible that the four Kelly interments were moved that late, I would imagine that once the ground started to thaw they'd want to get those winter corpses buried pretty quick, but as of yet I don't have a feel for how long that might have taken so I'll keep this possibility open in the back of my mind. As I delve into this problem further, I can try to find more information by contacting local libraries, historical societies, or cemeteries. Jane Kuck pointed out "the possibility of family tragedies such as diphtheria, cholera, or other rampant disease, a fire in the home, or even a criminal act. Perhaps a bit of reading through issues of the local newspaper for a few days both before and after the date in question could shed some light on the reason for multiple family burials." In fact I have been going through the papers around the time they were buried, which was 26 April 1865. While I haven't found anything related to my family, the newspapers were full of news items, declarations and memorials, as the nation mourned the passing of its beloved President Lincoln. The pages that weren't devoted to his obsequies were largely filled with news of the final events of the Civil War. Despite not finding anything about my Kelly ancestors, it is a fascinating peek into the times. Because the papers were so full of these national events, editors may have had to leave out some local news items that might otherwise have been included. All of these possibilities need to be kept in mind when researching interment lists with multiple burials on the same date. We still have hopes that the information on the grave marker will also give us some answers. As we save our pennies for either a trip to see it in person or to hire a researcher to photograph it, we'll also follow up in every other record we can get our hands on from here. Here's hoping you dig up some gold in your cemetery searches too! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Juliana Smith is the editor of the Ancestry Daily News and author of The Ancestry Family Historian's Address Book. She has written for Ancestry Magazine and Genealogical Computing. Juliana can be reached by e-mail at [email protected], but she regrets that she is unable to assist with personal research. Copyright 2004, MyFamily.com.

Digging for Gold in a Cemetery Plot - Juliana Smith No, I'm not a grave robber as the title might imply. With an extra day before this column was due, I was feeling rather uninspired. Since I was a bit ahead with my work (something of a minor miracle), I decided to see if my ancestors would inspire me a bit. They didn't let me down. In fact, I think I may have pulled something doing "the dance." A couple months ago, Mom and I received a list of interments from Calvary Cemetery. The plot was recorded in the name "Estate of James Kelly." James Kelly is my fourth-great-grandfather and patriarch of my elusive Kelly family. The letter listed name, burial date, age at death, and place of birth for James and sixteen other relatives. It was like winning the genealogical lotto! With a little time on my hands, I figured it was time to cash that ticket. It was easy to pick out the familiar names listed in the plot, and there were also a few new players. I wasn't sure how they fit in, but it was going to be fun figuring it out. Enter the Data Since I am certain that we have the right family, I began entering the information into my database, careful to enter the burial date in that field and not in the date of death field. Eager to milk each record for as much as possible, I also estimated the year of birth using the date of death and age listed. I included sources for both dates and was thrilled to see all those blank fields filling up. (What can I say, I'm easily entertained.) Four Burials in One Day? The list of interments included four with the date 26 April 1865. Four deaths in the same family at the same time? Possible, but not probable. These burials were probably relocated from another grave or cemetery, so the burial dates probably won't be as much help here. It is possible that one of the individuals was buried on that date and that the others were moved to that location at the same time. There is a family story that a son of one uncle was killed in the Civil War. The first two entries list a James (age 25) and a Cornelius (age 22) so it's possible that one of these gentlemen is the one whose story has been passed down. It will take more research to pin this one down so I set them aside. Filling in More Fields There must be more I can do here. Noting the blank "death date" field, I started thinking about how I could fill it too, when it came to me--obituaries. There are several options available to me. The Ancestry.com Historical Newspaper Collection has the New York Times and the New York Herald available for some years. (I am anxious to find one of my ancestors in the Herald as I've noted many of the entries include town or county of origin with Irish-born individuals.) The Brooklyn Eagle is also available online through the Brooklyn Public Library. I had already found a couple of Kelly obituaries in the New York Times images and since many of the deaths occurred in earlier years and most of the family seemed to congregate in New York City at that time, it was my first choice. Searching for Kelly in the newspaper collection is like looking for a needle in a haystack, but since I had the date, it should be easy to find any obituaries for these folks by browsing through the newspapers for the dates in question. I started with a cousin of my second-great-grandmother's, Kate Doherty. While there was no obituary for her, I found her in a section that followed the obituaries headed "Deaths Reported April 17, Manhattan and Bronx." (There was also a section for deaths reported in Brooklyn. This section appears to have been available from late 1896 to 1900 and I made a note to go back and search it for some of my Brooklyn ancestors that died during that period.) Her listing was typical of the rest: DOHERTY, Kate A., 100 W. 38th St. Two columns followed with her age (47) and the date in April that she had died (16). While this wasn't as full of information as some of the lengthier obituaries, the address and date of death were helpful. Kewl! Another field to fill in. Anne M. J. Kelly, Mystery Woman One of the entries on the cemetery list was for: Anne M. J. Kelly, buried 23 August 1867, age 30, born in New York I had no idea who she was, so I tried the same strategy with her and was rewarded with one of the biggest breakthroughs I've had on this line in some time. I found her obituary in the "New York Times" for 23 August 1867, which read: KELLY.--On Wednesday, Aug. 21, Miss Anna Maria Josepha Kelly, daughter of James and Margaret Kelly. Her remains will be taken from her late residence, No. 740 6th av., to the Church of St. Francis Xavier at 9 o'clock A. M. thence to Calvary Cemetery. For years I've been trying to find a way to distinguish this James Kelly from the gazillions of other James Kellys in the census, but since his immediate family pre-deceased him, there is no mention of them in his probate. I didn't even know his wife's name, much less the names of his children. He adopted his niece--my great-great-grandmother--late in life and she lived with him until his death. Now I not only had his wife's name, but a daughter. In addition, I had an address for his single daughter (where he quite possibly lived as well) and the name of the church. I now had several more blank fields to fill in. The Birth of a New Wish List Because I already had the burial dates of these ancestors, I might have been tempted to overlook the obituaries, but because I sought them out, I have a much fuller family tree. Of course, every new find leads to more things to add to my wish list. I will also go after death certificates and probates wherever they are available, and a photo of the grave. With estimated birth dates and death dates for most of the people on the list, I now have a clearer picture of what census enumerations I should be seeking out for them. Addresses found in the obituaries may make it easier to track these down in some cases. The location of the parish will also be helpful. Sixth Avenue runs north-south through a number of wards. I did a search for the Church of St. Francis Xavier and found a history on its website. The history of the church gave its location on "10 lots on West 15th and 16th Streets" at the time of Anna's death. Since these streets run east-west, I will start my census searches in the wards closest to the parish. The long-awaited release of the every-name index to the 1860 census for New York, expected to be completed next month, will also be helpful. (The 1850 will begin right on its heels.) Since I have found record of other family members in that area of the city, and the family is known to have close ties to the Catholic Church, I will want to consult church records as well. By gathering as many records as possible, and combining the information found within them, you can fill the blank spaces in your family tree too. Wishing you the best of luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Juliana Smith is the editor of the Ancestry Daily News and author of The Ancestry Family Historian's Address Book. She has written for Ancestry Magazine and Genealogical Computing. Juliana can be reached by e-mail at [email protected], but she regrets that she is unable to assist with personal research. Copyright 2004, MyFamily.com.

MAM. Sorry I can find no connection to the family, My Marshalls are found in Ireland, late 1600, as FRIENDS. Their Son to The colonies was in 1728/9, Both parents expiring, close that time. Older son JOHN 'S daughter ANN married to DOBBINS. At this time and my AGE I do not look for Marshalls. Many GEDCOMS show this line if you will work at IT. GOOD LUCK AL D/

Oops. You may be wondering what Pleasant Arnold has to do with my Marshall kin. Absolutely nothing! That shouldn't have been in there. It HAS been a long time since I posted. Sorry. Judy At 07:30 PM 4/8/2004, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > ><snip> >record of a marriage in Rutherford Co, TN of a Pleasant Arnold to Synthea >Barnes 7 May 1822, <snip>