Many thanks to you all (John, Ken, Victor, Kat) for replying so promptly. The reason for my interest in these Marks: > Mark Markham christened 5 April 1829 Finningley, Nottingham, UK. > father - John Markham mother - Mary > Mark Markham christened 2 June 1833 North Elkington, Lincoln, UK. > father - Thomas Markham mother - Frances is because they are the only Marks with parentage I have been able to find (to date) who may possibly be candidates for my g-g-grandfather. I wasn't able to find him on record when I visited London, so I am assuming he was born prior to 1837 (which is also compatible with the DOB of his children). Currently I have: Mark Antony Markham, married to Jane. Mark was a tailor. Jane's maiden name was Watt or Grey/Gray. They had two sons, John, christened 30 August 1857 Thomas, christened 15 February 1863 both christened at St. Bartholomew Moor Lane, London. *Source of John was IGI (not reliable on its own, I know). Unknown about in our family prior to this discovery (thanks Ralph). I'm presently assuming John is my Mark & Jane's son as the details on IGI for both are identical - with exception of the spelling of Antony (Anthony in John's record). And the coincidence of the same place within 6 years. Having said that, there are identically named parents, Mark and Jane with a son Thomas, a couple of generations prior in another part of London! There is also a Frederick Markham, who was a witness at son Thomas' wedding. 'Fair to assume he a relative, but we have no idea who he was. Victor, Mark may not have died as an old man, but he would have been in excess of 44 by the time of the 1881 census. Thanks for looking it up. The only photo I have of him puts him at about 30ish: http://freespace.virgin.net/j.markham/family/familypages/mark_and_jane.html Ken, I had a look on Ralph's site a while back, but worth another look again. One thing I noticed on your site was of a disinherited Markham. Unfortunately my browser crashed at that moment. I had another look, but haven't found it again yet. I mention this because Mark's granddaughter told me a few months ago that Thomas' wife Emily had, "In the early 1900s (probably prior to 1914), applied to the 'News of the World', who ran a section in the newspaper on unclaimed family money. She was refused on the grounds that the Markham in question had been disinherited because he married the maid". I have contacted the paper - but of course they haven't bothered to reply. What I don't know, is which Markham it was in question, or whether any connection to this disinherited Markham was actually established by the paper, already known by Emily, or if she was just trying to get lucky. As an educated guess, I'd say it could have been Emily putting forward the name of an already known? ancestor; as the paper would not have been seeking descendents of someone disinherited! What I'm suggesting is that it's most probable that the paper was seeking descendants of a particular Markham. Emily put forward the name of one of her known ancestors, hoping for a link between the two. She was refused, so was that link therefore established? John, Is there any possibility of a connection with your Mark Markham of Finningley, or shall I exclude him now? Regards, John AR Markham Pontypool, South Wales, UK. http://freespace.virgin.net/j.markham/family/familypages/index.html
John, The details I have about Mark Markham baprised 5th April 1829 at Finningley are as follows. Baptised 5th April 1829 at Finningley, born 1829 at Awkley (next village to Finningley) data from Finningley records Died after 1881, that is he appears on the 1881 CD ROM Occupation 1868, Dock labourer. residence, 30 Finkle Street, Hull Occupation 1880, Coal Heaver. Residence, 8 Great ? Street, Hull Married Elizabeth Garforth, before 1869 3 Children, John William, frances and elizabeth. Father John Markham born 6th Feb. 1800, baptised 9th March 1800, Finningley. Mother Mary Wales born about 1801, died 29th March 1837. Married 11/11/1822, Aston, Yorkshire Mark had2 younger sisters Mary & Sarah. Older Siblings Ruth, Elizabeth, George, Ann Parents of John MArkham were Mark MArkham born about 1770 Awkley and Ann cushworth born about 1773 Misson Parents of Mark MArkham were Thomas Markham born about 1730 Doncaster and Martha Farrer born Sowerby, Yorkshire. All are related to me. Take it he is not yours? If you need more information let me know. John ----- Original Message ----- From: j.markham <j.markham@virgin.net> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 08:34 Subject: Mark Markham - update > Many thanks to you all (John, Ken, Victor, Kat) for replying so > promptly. > > The reason for my interest in these Marks: > > Mark Markham christened 5 April 1829 Finningley, Nottingham, UK. > > father - John Markham mother - Mary > > > Mark Markham christened 2 June 1833 North Elkington, Lincoln, UK. > > father - Thomas Markham mother - Frances > is because they are the only Marks with parentage I have been able to > find (to date) who may possibly be candidates for my g-g-grandfather. > > I wasn't able to find him on record when I visited London, so I am > assuming he was born prior to 1837 (which is also compatible with the > DOB of his children). > > Currently I have: > Mark Antony Markham, married to Jane. > Mark was a tailor. Jane's maiden name was Watt or Grey/Gray. > They had two sons, > John, christened 30 August 1857 > Thomas, christened 15 February 1863 > both christened at St. Bartholomew Moor Lane, London. > > *Source of John was IGI (not reliable on its own, I know). Unknown about > in our family prior to this discovery (thanks Ralph). > I'm presently assuming John is my Mark & Jane's son as the details on > IGI for both are identical - with exception of the spelling of Antony > (Anthony in John's record). And the coincidence of the same place within > 6 years. Having said that, there are identically named parents, Mark and > Jane with a son Thomas, a couple of generations prior in another part of > London! > > There is also a Frederick Markham, who was a witness at son Thomas' > wedding. 'Fair to assume he a relative, but we have no idea who he was. > > > Victor, > Mark may not have died as an old man, but he would have been in excess > of 44 by the time of the 1881 census. Thanks for looking it up. > The only photo I have of him puts him at about 30ish: > http://freespace.virgin.net/j.markham/family/familypages/mark_and_jane.html > > Ken, > I had a look on Ralph's site a while back, but worth another look again. > One thing I noticed on your site was of a disinherited Markham. > Unfortunately my browser crashed at that moment. I had another look, but > haven't found it again yet. > I mention this because Mark's granddaughter told me a few months ago > that Thomas' wife Emily had, > "In the early 1900s (probably prior to 1914), applied to the > 'News of the World', who ran a section in the newspaper on unclaimed > family money. She was refused on the grounds that the Markham in > question had been disinherited because he married the maid". > I have contacted the paper - but of course they haven't bothered to > reply. > > What I don't know, is which Markham it was in question, or whether any > connection to this disinherited Markham was actually established by the > paper, already known by Emily, or if she was just trying to get lucky. > As an educated guess, I'd say it could have been Emily putting forward > the name of an already known? ancestor; as the paper would not have been > seeking descendents of someone disinherited! > What I'm suggesting is that it's most probable that the paper was > seeking descendants of a particular Markham. Emily put forward the name > of one of her known ancestors, hoping for a link between the two. She > was refused, so was that link therefore established? > > John, > Is there any possibility of a connection with your Mark Markham of > Finningley, or shall I exclude him now? > > > Regards, > John AR Markham > Pontypool, South Wales, UK. > http://freespace.virgin.net/j.markham/family/familypages/index.html >