Mye Goodye Cosynes, I would just like to say the following, as a few people have raised these issues to me off this list: 1. The Markham books held on the "TW" website have been done in such a way that they are an accurate replica of the original document. This means they even include the handful of spelling mistakes found in original texts. These books MUST be accurate with the original book, that is intentional. 2. Of course, as we go further into the mists of time, and as more information comes to light, the whole puzzle and picture will become clearer, and portions of these books will be both proved, and disproved, and isn't that great ?!. Because we want an accurate database at the end of the day. 3. Notice I said 'database', as my database has to be the most accurate set of records I have, whilst book reproductions are just that, and contain the information of the original set of notes contained in those books. 4. Please DO feel free to CORRECT this information, if the case. I would not change the original book, but would correct my database. That is the difference as far as I am concerned. 5. 'Markham Memorials' really does hold many clues to many many lines of this family. After going through the two volumes 2 or 3 times, certain things start to become more apparent. 6. These digital books must just be accurate in content as compared to the original books, and not necessarily actual facts. One of these areas is none other than our late great Judge Markham and his father I think it was. A chapter submitted by Oom Victor (Uncle Victor) is on the "TW" website, and should be compared and read in conjunction with the "TW" chapters of the same person/s. Another, and a chapter that will be written last, is the possible Irish connection to the Markham family. The main difference here, is the timeline. The timeline we are looking at, is @1000+ years ago, and not 400-600 years ago. Here, the sept of MacHam is the one concentrated on, but is sparse or void of any real information of this ancient Irish/Scottish family. The information just doesn't seem to be there. MacHam lineage goes back to Adam in the John O'Hart 'Irish Pedigrees'. One last thing I am going to take the time tonight to write, is that, whilst the Rev. David Frederick Markham claimed to be the 'only remaining line of the family', if you have followed 'Markham Memorials' closely, you would have noticed that, although Sir Clements Robert Markham shows that this statement from the Rev. David is not true, Sir Clements does however, if you look closely, and if I understand the volumes correctly, that, Sir Clements does however still leave us very much in the same tracks as the Rev. David Markham, in that no further descent line/s were actually attached to this 1000 year unbroken line set out in "MM". They were 'Unconnected Markhams' etc. This is GOOD criticism I think of these works, as we want the facts and the truths, don't we ?. The name 'Chetty' is Indian as far as I can make out. Surely some answers to some questions are just sitting at the Heraldic Society in the UK ???... Worth a try ?. Sir Clements also claimed that the Irish 'stole' the Markhams arms, I doubt it !. What else would you replace a hame with if you moved to and lived in Ireland ?. A harp ?. Of course, it is a similiar shape etc. "MARKHAM MEMORIALS" (WORD7 VERSION): As an update to this website Word7 version of this 2 volume set of books, the complete chapter texts for both volumes were completed about a week ago or so. The arms and family charts are the remaining items to conclude, and then positioning and alignment of the 600 pages, etc., is done last, plus final spell-checking, which takes forever. November seems to be a bad month, and December is already accounted for, so it may, or may not be, until the Ides of March, before I can finally set this book to rest in the manner that we originally set out to do. The first month of the year used to be 'March', and 10 months in the year. It is also good to note that some new blood has joined us on this list. I have invited about a dozen people, so there should be many questions to be asked, I ask questions all the time, and irritate every-one around me, constantly... And remember, believe in yourself, never give up, and ALWAYS finish your Jungle Oats... "The Wanderer Above The Mists": http://members.xoom.com/kenmarkham/ Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire]