I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my beloved brother to prostrate and bone cancer when he was 47 (in 1996). He was one of my best friends. May God grant you peace. Karen Marcum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Markham" <markham@hixnet.co.za> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Sharon Patricia Markham... ... ... [10-04-1958 to 03-11-2000]... ... ... > Mye Goodye Cosynes, > > Sharon Patricia Markham, born 10-04-1958, Kitwe, Zambia, suffered > cancer since 1994, and after a long illness, passed away peacefully, > at 'The Place She Called Home', in Bulawayo, on the morning of Friday, > 03 November 2000, 07h55. Sharon is the daughter of Capt. H.K. & June > Markham. Sharon never married, and has no issue. > > Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... > [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] > [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire] > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > To access the Rootsweb list of archives for all surnames > Use this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Mye Goodye Cosyne, >>> Is there any dictionary (to your knowledge) of Australian slang ?. <<< I no speak umm forked tongue !!!... Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire]

I don't know if I'm missing something but it appears that a possible dispute that is unrelated to Markham genealogy is brewing on this list. Just to wanted to say, DON'T START IT, DON'T USE THIS SITE to vent your personal opinions that do not pertain to our research here. What you may not understand, is that for EACH message sent, I get about 10 error messages for addresses that are not accepting mail. Do you have any idea what this does to my mailbox? So this makes me in NO MOOD to tolerate petty arguments on this site. If you must debate something that does not pertain to MARKHAM research, then use personal e-mail NOT GROUP MAIL. I've said it ONCE, I WILL NOT STAY IT AGAIN. STOP NOW. Brenda Marble Markham Listowner

Columbus - I don't think anyone could have said it better than you just did..... -Kat- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Columbus C. Marcum" <cmarcum@zoomnet.net> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Sharon Patricia Markham... ... ... [10-04-1958 to 03-11-2000]... ... ... > > > Dear Sir Kenneth Markham and Family > Our deepest sympathy and heart felt grief is extended to you due to the > untimely loss of your dear sister Sharon. > I understand that she was a Christian and one of the comforting tenants > of our faith is the promise of eternal life... > Let me offer a very comforting quote from the Christian Bible, and Jesus > own Words > > " John 11: 25 - 26... > Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, AND THE LIFE, HE THAT > BELIEVETH IN ME, THOUGH HE WERE DEAD YET SHALL HE LIVE:.... AND WHOSOEVER > LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE..." > > ( Our Sister Sharon sleeps until Jesus comes again) > Columbus C. Marcum. > From: "Ken Markham" <markham@hixnet.co.za> > To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:33 PM > Subject: Sharon Patricia Markham... ... ... [10-04-1958 to 03-11-2000]... > ... ... > > > > Mye Goodye Cosynes, > > > > Sharon Patricia Markham, born 10-04-1958, Kitwe, Zambia, suffered > > cancer since 1994, and after a long illness, passed away peacefully, > > at 'The Place She Called Home', in Bulawayo, on the morning of Friday, > > 03 November 2000, 07h55. Sharon is the daughter of Capt. H.K. & June > > Markham. Sharon never married, and has no issue. > > > > Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... > > [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] > > [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire] > > > > > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > > To access the Rootsweb list of archives for all surnames > > Use this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Know a Markham/Marcum Researcher? > Please ask them to join us by contacting > BMarble@aol.com > >

I have a book of Australian slang. What can I help you with? :) -Kat- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald and Claudine" <gdwatkins@mail.utexas.edu> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:57 PM Subject: Re: MARKHAM-D Digest V00 #153 > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > I am one of your cousins from Texas. My great grandmother was a Marcum > > from Tennessee. > > I tried to e-mail you direct, but I received a failure notice so I am going this route. > > > My wife does a lot of reading and she enjoys books about and from > > Australia but some of the words used are not in her dictionary and we > > know it's often slang. Is there any dictionary (to your knowledge) of > > Australian slang? She has searched everywhere for one but to no avail. > > > > If you know of such and can point us in the right direction, we will > > always be in you debt. > > > > Gerald in Texas > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > A great site for genealogy research: > http://www.usgenweb.net/ >

You will have to admit that is the vernacular of the John Wayne movies... And since Ken has quite possibly never seen an Indian except in the movies don't you think that your feather may be irritating your braided scalp?... Ken is known for his spontaneous wit, notwithstanding.. Columbus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Slang... En Ander Tiepe Slange... ... ... > My dear Ken: > > Since it's the 21st century, don't you think it's time we put the old > stereotypes to rest? I assure you, my Choctaw Markham grandmother DID NOT > speak like that! She may not have had quite the command of the English > language that you do, but perhaps she would have had, had she been allowed > to go to school with your race. Believe it or not, the only time I stick a > feather in my hair is on special ceremonial occasions. My great grandfather > was shot off his horse and killed by a vigilante group of the good white > citizens of his county because they didn't like the Choctaws moving into > "their neighborhood". Our warriors are now some pretty fair Harvard and > Princeton-trained attorneys. Perhaps a little sensitivity training might be > in order when posting to a public mail list. Not all Markham descendants > are pure Caucasian. > > dustyc@microgear.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Markham <markham@hixnet.co.za> > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:45 PM > Subject: Slang... En Ander Tiepe Slange... ... ... > > > >Mye Goodye Cosyne, > > > >>>> Is there any dictionary (to your knowledge) > > of Australian slang ?. <<< > > > >I no speak umm forked tongue !!!... > > > >Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... > >[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] > >[Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire] > > > > > > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > >Markham Associated Webpage: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Markham Associated Webpage: > http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > >

Dear Ken, Even if there was a dictionary of Australian Slang, I sincerely doubt if anyone who had not lived in Australia would really comprehend what the slang means. I was born there - have lived abroad for a long time - the present day slang is much different from the slang that was extant when I left there as a young adult. Beverly, formerly of Australia. Life on earth is expensive. The biggest perk is the free trip around the sun. Wear a hat and enjoy the ride....

My dear Ken: Since it's the 21st century, don't you think it's time we put the old stereotypes to rest? I assure you, my Choctaw Markham grandmother DID NOT speak like that! She may not have had quite the command of the English language that you do, but perhaps she would have had, had she been allowed to go to school with your race. Believe it or not, the only time I stick a feather in my hair is on special ceremonial occasions. My great grandfather was shot off his horse and killed by a vigilante group of the good white citizens of his county because they didn't like the Choctaws moving into "their neighborhood". Our warriors are now some pretty fair Harvard and Princeton-trained attorneys. Perhaps a little sensitivity training might be in order when posting to a public mail list. Not all Markham descendants are pure Caucasian. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Ken Markham <markham@hixnet.co.za> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: Slang... En Ander Tiepe Slange... ... ... >Mye Goodye Cosyne, > >>>> Is there any dictionary (to your knowledge) > of Australian slang ?. <<< > >I no speak umm forked tongue !!!... > >Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... >[A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] >[Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire] > > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >Markham Associated Webpage: >http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg >

> Hi Ken, > > I am one of your cousins from Texas. My great grandmother was a Marcum > from Tennessee. I tried to e-mail you direct, but I received a failure notice so I am going this route. > My wife does a lot of reading and she enjoys books about and from > Australia but some of the words used are not in her dictionary and we > know it's often slang. Is there any dictionary (to your knowledge) of > Australian slang? She has searched everywhere for one but to no avail. > > If you know of such and can point us in the right direction, we will > always be in you debt. > > Gerald in Texas

Dear Sir Kenneth Markham and Family Our deepest sympathy and heart felt grief is extended to you due to the untimely loss of your dear sister Sharon. I understand that she was a Christian and one of the comforting tenants of our faith is the promise of eternal life... Let me offer a very comforting quote from the Christian Bible, and Jesus own Words " John 11: 25 - 26... Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, AND THE LIFE, HE THAT BELIEVETH IN ME, THOUGH HE WERE DEAD YET SHALL HE LIVE:.... AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE..." ( Our Sister Sharon sleeps until Jesus comes again) Columbus C. Marcum. From: "Ken Markham" <markham@hixnet.co.za> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Sharon Patricia Markham... ... ... [10-04-1958 to 03-11-2000]... ... ... > Mye Goodye Cosynes, > > Sharon Patricia Markham, born 10-04-1958, Kitwe, Zambia, suffered > cancer since 1994, and after a long illness, passed away peacefully, > at 'The Place She Called Home', in Bulawayo, on the morning of Friday, > 03 November 2000, 07h55. Sharon is the daughter of Capt. H.K. & June > Markham. Sharon never married, and has no issue. > > Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... > [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] > [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire] > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > To access the Rootsweb list of archives for all surnames > Use this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Mye Goodye Cosynes, Sharon Patricia Markham, born 10-04-1958, Kitwe, Zambia, suffered cancer since 1994, and after a long illness, passed away peacefully, at 'The Place She Called Home', in Bulawayo, on the morning of Friday, 03 November 2000, 07h55. Sharon is the daughter of Capt. H.K. & June Markham. Sharon never married, and has no issue. Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire]

> YOU CAN GO HOME AGAIN > > It was two years ago, almost to the day that I > realized a dream , long > held , of going back to Nottinghamshire and the > little country village of > West Markham. > How many hours I had dreamed away , thinking of a > storybook setting that > had been formed since childhood , as I worked the > routine ,and sometimes > monotnous chores necessary to get a paycheck, I > would let my mind wander to > what I perceived to be the"old home so long ago"... > > Then I was going home again , I was actually > getting on the plane to > England , we boarded at Cincinnati , Ohio, bound > for my land of dreams , > we mounted up on the wings of the wind and from > seven miles up I could see > the hills of home gradually fade as the sun dimmed > and disappeared into the > shadows of the west... Northeastward towards the > north atlantic , passing > the crowded cities of Washington and New York , > they blinked with a million > lights not unlike standing on a mountain top and > watching the fireflies in the valley below in > western Virginia... and then the foggy Atlantic, > and we sleep.... > > Wow its daylight again and there's land > below , beautiful green land > , Emerald Green I think and somehow such a > comforting feeling , We are > getting close , and then there it was , the > unmistakable English > countryside , we were circling and we were > informed that this was London > and we would be at Heathrow in fifteen minutes , I > am glued to the window , > my heart pounding with anticipation , Oh , I want > to see it all... " Who > said you can't go home again"... > London was crowded and impersonal and > not my destination anyhow, > so we caught the train to Nottingham, and as most > of you know the train is > very desirable to "view" the country side , > cars, all those British cars > , and they drive on the wrong side of the road > [left :-)] , and the small > towns with the narrow streets , pretty girls and > handsome boys just like back > home , and every small town has a towering Church > steeple that spoke to my > heart of a people with a faith that reaches back > through the foggy > mysterious ages of time and toil , building a > monument with their labor of > love to a benevolent God and ...for me to see as I > came home , ahhhhh I have > a spiritual feeling of belonging here.... I see > the fields and orchards > with the hedgerow fences that reach the sky in the > distances all neat and > orderly , a mosaic of colors that no picture ever > touched by artist brush > could compare... > West Markham is a small village and as small > villages go that yet > retained somewhat of the storybook setting that I > had anticipated , narrow > , neat streets with cottages behind picket fences > and adorned with the > reddest roses that you can imagine , friendly > people, who would go out of > their way to be polite and helpful, [ I only met > one person while I was > there who was obnoxious and he was from New York] > The Church of all Saints its called, built in > the eighth or ninth > century, with some latter addition, stands on > high ground that slopes > off over green fields to the river Idle > and surrounded by old chesnut trees, but not near > as old as the Church... > Around the Church yard are numerous tomb stones and > I searched for an old > Markham grave and found none , Why is there no > Markham gravestones ? I ask > the custodian there , and he replied , "Oh they > are here all right but they > are on the bottom" , on the bottom ? I asked and > he says " yes they were > buried here many , many years ago and we dig new > graves on the same place > about every hundred or two hundred years , Yes > Your folks are probably five > or six layers deep", we dig a grave where one was > and if we find some bones > we dig a small pit in the bottom of the new > grave for them".... > Going in the door of the Church is a spiritual > experience also , you > realize that, that your Grand parents of perhaps > thirty generations ago > came in through this door , to kneel at that stone altar and > pray for forgiveness and > ask mercy on a sick child, or a son taken away to > war , for deliverance > from raiding strangers, and a good crop this > year... > As you get accustomed to the light you see that > one end of the building > has a dirt floor with real old wooden pews and the > scene causes you to sigh > with a tear , it must look like this when time and > circumstances drove a > gentle farm family off toward Ollerton ,Oxton, > Sedgebrook and ... > eventually America , Africa < Australia , Canada > and the ends of the earth. > > Standing in front of the altar stone that is > about three by five feet > you contemplate the scope of time and thank God > for genetic stock that > built this field stone structure, that calls to > Markhams everywhere to come > home again, and thank the God that accepted the > tears shed on this native > stone, and a Saviour that preserved the holy seed > , by always making a place of refuge > from the storm... Yes this is one of my homes > ... > > I would love to go back again soon and it > would be wonderful if we > could have a family reunion there , to join hands > and thank God for > creating us with our ability to love one > another...... > Columbus Carl Marcum. > Wayne , WV. USA > > >

Does anyone know when Van and Lucinda Marcum were married? I believe it was in Wayne Co. WV. Who were Lucinda's parents? Was it Frederick and Naomi? Thanks. Vernia

Hi, I've found a marriage in MB 1 p.216 Mingo Co WV. It is for Joseph H. Marcum b. 1879 Louisville, Ky to Julia Howell b. 1885 Floyd Co Ky. They married 13 Apr 1904 Mingo Co WV. Can anyone place this Joseph Marcum? I know he's probably not of my Josiah Marcum lineage if he was born in Louisville, Ky. Rhoda Marcum Burks

I recently learned more information about my gggrandfather, John Frank Markham of Lee County VA, son of Josiah Markham. John ended up living in Knoxville TN, where he died in 1921. I have copies of his Soldier's Application for Pension to the State of Tennessee, dated March 1906. Here are the details, briefly: Joined Company I, 27th Regiment, VA Calvary, C.S.A. in 1862. Served under Col. James, Capt. Bishop, Lt. Bales. Not wounded in any battles, but apparently went deaf in one ear. Surrendered/captured at Cumberland Gap, Kentucky (or TN?) in March 1865. Paroled in April 1865. Affidavits are signed by Rose Hill, VA residents W.L. Eldridge and D.L. Hobbs who also served with him. At the time of application, his wife and 3 daughters (who provided support) lived with him at 650 Asylum Drive in Knoxville, TN. Hurrah!

I found this information and thought I would pass it along, hopefully it will assist someone. Chris Haberski ID Surname Given Middle Correction Township County 19744 Markham A. B. Village of Mayville Tuscola 28920 Markham Jerome Bennington Shiawassee 29922 Markham John Village of Bellevue Eaton 21907 Markham Marcus A. City of Detroit Fourth Wayne 20032 Markham Martin Wells Tuscola 16388 Markham Michael Village of Spring Lake Ottawa 29923 Markham Orrin Charlotte City Third Ward Eaton 33217 Markham Oscar D. Grand Rapids City Eleventh Ward Kent 20011 Markham Seth Tuscola Tuscola Census of the State of Michigan 1894 Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, Volume III Compiled by Washington Gardner, Secretary of State LANSING: Robert Smith & Co., State Printers and Binders 1896 In June of 1894 census enumerators recorded the names of U.S. soldiers of the Civil War living in Michigan. 42, 544 soldiers were enumerated. 34, 946 were native and 7,598 were foreign born. 148 Confederate soldiers resided in the state at that time. 102 were native and 46 were foreign-born. The average age was 55.41 yrs. Washington Gardner, Secretary of State, recognized that it was not possible to determine with any degree of accuracy some of the names as enumerated. In March of 1896 after a completed list was in type, the list was sent to each enumerator for verification and to the Grand Army of the Republic Posts in each county. The request was made to correct spelling errors and add those not enumerated. Names of those individuals not included in the original census enumeration, but returned by correction from either the enumerator or the G.A.R. (Grand Army of the Republic) appear with brackets* around their names. It was found that 172 individuals from the original list were not soldiers. Those names remain on the listing without designation. *The brackets had to removed from the database to make it searchable. A field was added called Correction and shows the word "yes" to mark those veterans later added. Stay tuned as we upload more every few days. http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/civilwar/1894VetsCensus/index.asp

Dear Chris, Yes, this is a help for me. I've been tracking Jerome Markham. Any information on his wife & sons or where he was born? I do know he was in the Civil War. He had a son, Guy Markham who was married to Allie Lucy Clark & they had 3 daughters. Guy & Allie were divorced & Guy disappears from Shiawassee Co. Michigan about 1910. Help with Jerome & Guy would be most appreciated. Bette Nelson bnelson@netpipe.com > From: itzzme@bellsouth.net > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:59:52 -0400 > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Index - Census of the state of Michgian 1894 > Resent-From: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:56:31 -0700 > > > I found this information and thought I would pass it along, hopefully it will > assist someone. > Chris Haberski > ID > Surname > Given > Middle > Correction > Township > County > > 19744 > Markham > A. > B. > > Village of Mayville > Tuscola > > 28920 > Markham > Jerome > > > Bennington > Shiawassee > > 29922 > Markham > John > > > Village of Bellevue > Eaton > > 21907 > Markham > Marcus > A. > > City of Detroit Fourth > Wayne > > 20032 > Markham > Martin > > > Wells > Tuscola > > 16388 > Markham > Michael > > > Village of Spring Lake > Ottawa > > 29923 > Markham > Orrin > > > Charlotte City Third Ward > Eaton > > 33217 > Markham > Oscar > D. > > Grand Rapids City Eleventh Ward > Kent > > 20011 > Markham > Seth > > > Tuscola > Tuscola > > > Census of the State of Michigan 1894 > > Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, Volume III > > Compiled by Washington Gardner, Secretary of State > > LANSING: Robert Smith & Co., State Printers and Binders > > 1896 > > In June of 1894 census enumerators recorded the names of U.S. soldiers of the > Civil War living in Michigan. 42, 544 soldiers were enumerated. 34, 946 were > native and 7,598 were foreign born. 148 Confederate soldiers resided in the > state at that time. 102 were native and 46 were foreign-born. The average > age was 55.41 yrs. > > Washington Gardner, Secretary of State, recognized that it was not possible to > determine with any degree of accuracy some of the names as enumerated. In > March of 1896 after a completed list was in type, the list was sent to each > enumerator for verification and to the Grand Army of the Republic Posts in > each county. The request was made to correct spelling errors and add those > not enumerated. > > Names of those individuals not included in the original census enumeration, > but returned by correction from either the enumerator or the G.A.R. (Grand > Army of the Republic) appear with brackets* around their names. It was found > that 172 individuals from the original list were not soldiers. Those names > remain on the listing without designation. > > *The brackets had to removed from the database to make it searchable. A field > was added called Correction and shows the word "yes" to mark those veterans > later added. > > Stay tuned as we upload more every few days. > > http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/civilwar/1894VetsCensus/index.asp > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Markham Associated Webpage: > http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg

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I will be in Huntington WV for the weekend, my granddaughter wants to visit Marshall University. With any luck I might have just an hour or so for research? Not much time I know. Any suggestions? Vernia

Mye Goodye Cosynes, I would just like to say the following, as a few people have raised these issues to me off this list: 1. The Markham books held on the "TW" website have been done in such a way that they are an accurate replica of the original document. This means they even include the handful of spelling mistakes found in original texts. These books MUST be accurate with the original book, that is intentional. 2. Of course, as we go further into the mists of time, and as more information comes to light, the whole puzzle and picture will become clearer, and portions of these books will be both proved, and disproved, and isn't that great ?!. Because we want an accurate database at the end of the day. 3. Notice I said 'database', as my database has to be the most accurate set of records I have, whilst book reproductions are just that, and contain the information of the original set of notes contained in those books. 4. Please DO feel free to CORRECT this information, if the case. I would not change the original book, but would correct my database. That is the difference as far as I am concerned. 5. 'Markham Memorials' really does hold many clues to many many lines of this family. After going through the two volumes 2 or 3 times, certain things start to become more apparent. 6. These digital books must just be accurate in content as compared to the original books, and not necessarily actual facts. One of these areas is none other than our late great Judge Markham and his father I think it was. A chapter submitted by Oom Victor (Uncle Victor) is on the "TW" website, and should be compared and read in conjunction with the "TW" chapters of the same person/s. Another, and a chapter that will be written last, is the possible Irish connection to the Markham family. The main difference here, is the timeline. The timeline we are looking at, is @1000+ years ago, and not 400-600 years ago. Here, the sept of MacHam is the one concentrated on, but is sparse or void of any real information of this ancient Irish/Scottish family. The information just doesn't seem to be there. MacHam lineage goes back to Adam in the John O'Hart 'Irish Pedigrees'. One last thing I am going to take the time tonight to write, is that, whilst the Rev. David Frederick Markham claimed to be the 'only remaining line of the family', if you have followed 'Markham Memorials' closely, you would have noticed that, although Sir Clements Robert Markham shows that this statement from the Rev. David is not true, Sir Clements does however, if you look closely, and if I understand the volumes correctly, that, Sir Clements does however still leave us very much in the same tracks as the Rev. David Markham, in that no further descent line/s were actually attached to this 1000 year unbroken line set out in "MM". They were 'Unconnected Markhams' etc. This is GOOD criticism I think of these works, as we want the facts and the truths, don't we ?. The name 'Chetty' is Indian as far as I can make out. Surely some answers to some questions are just sitting at the Heraldic Society in the UK ???... Worth a try ?. Sir Clements also claimed that the Irish 'stole' the Markhams arms, I doubt it !. What else would you replace a hame with if you moved to and lived in Ireland ?. A harp ?. Of course, it is a similiar shape etc. "MARKHAM MEMORIALS" (WORD7 VERSION): As an update to this website Word7 version of this 2 volume set of books, the complete chapter texts for both volumes were completed about a week ago or so. The arms and family charts are the remaining items to conclude, and then positioning and alignment of the 600 pages, etc., is done last, plus final spell-checking, which takes forever. November seems to be a bad month, and December is already accounted for, so it may, or may not be, until the Ides of March, before I can finally set this book to rest in the manner that we originally set out to do. The first month of the year used to be 'March', and 10 months in the year. It is also good to note that some new blood has joined us on this list. I have invited about a dozen people, so there should be many questions to be asked, I ask questions all the time, and irritate every-one around me, constantly... And remember, believe in yourself, never give up, and ALWAYS finish your Jungle Oats... "The Wanderer Above The Mists": http://members.xoom.com/kenmarkham/ Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B., (95)... [A Phenomenal Researcher In The Mists Of Time] [Genealogist Extra-Ordinaire]