I have often seen John, spelled John, which is of course a derivative of Jonathan. John

Does anyone know what "Jno" stands for? One of my other lists thinks it stands for "Jonathan" but if my ancestors were following a pattern it should be "John". Regards

I always thought it was John.. chatty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Featherstone" <rfeatherstone@paradise.net.nz> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:53 AM Subject: [MARKHAM] Abbreviations of Given Names > Does anyone know what "Jno" stands for? > > One of my other lists thinks it stands for "Jonathan" but if my ancestors > were following a pattern it should be "John". > > Regards > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > New Subscribers: > Please post your Markham/Marcum family History > to our list. We are anxious to hear from you. > >

I have always seen it used for John. Marion >Does anyone know what "Jno" stands for? > >One of my other lists thinks it stands for "Jonathan" but if my ancestors >were following a pattern it should be "John". > >Regards > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >New Subscribers: >Please post your Markham/Marcum family History >to our list. We are anxious to hear from you.

This is very sound advice. -----Original Message----- From: hbrandon [mailto:hbrandon@gateway.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:19 AM To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Abbreviations of Given Names Dear Mr. Featherstone, "Jno." is and was an abbreviation for "Johnathon", just as "Wm." stood for "William" and so on. It is very common in original records and is used almost interchangeably with "John". I would accept it as a given, if I were you. As things modernized, your ancestors may have called a child simply "John" in honor or memory of a "Johnathon" since there was little or no difference, OR the child's name may have been "Johnathon" but the nickname "John" was used. I have a first cousin, Robert Harrison Marcum, III who went through most of his life thinking his name was just Bob(by) Marcum. Also, it's good to remember that in those days Biblical names, particularly those of the desciples, were used by almost everyone, and this can lead to wrong assumptions about name patterns. In other words, name patterns can be very valuable if the name is Hezekiah or Obediah, but less so in the case of James, John, and Thomas. A better indicator is the use of the mother's maiden name as the child's name or middle name, and that can give a clue to the mother's identity sometimes. Again, it shouldn't be accepted until proven, since people did name children after friends as well as realtives, or even made up new names altogether. In the mid-1800s, there was a rash of naming children after presidents and war and other heroes, so that we had Henry Clay Marcum and Andrew Jackson Marcum (both sons of James S.) for example. There was a post not long ago defending computer research and referring to those of us who work primarily from original records as "snobs", but, while there are certainly advantages to computer research, particularly in the contacts to be made, it is still essential to read the original records. Differences in handwriting (or the lack of it) can identify or rule out an individual as being a particular person. Also, aside from the accuracy quotient, there is a "feel" one gets from going over the old documents about other people's families while searching for one's own which carries over and is of enormous benefit. It is easier to learn the vocabulary of the times and to see the pattern of how a particular census taker or tax agent spelled or abbreviated things, and of what the customs were at the time. For example, a friend of mine was wasting valuable time looking for non-existent relatives of her "Relict" family because she had seen a reference to a known ancestor as "Jane Jones Relict of John Jones". If she had spent some time pouring over documents in the archives for a while, she would soon have learned that "Relict" meant "Widow", and have saved herself a lot of trouble. I'm not saying that computer research can't be highly valuable, but people should be very careful about it and check everything against original documents before assuming it is correct. There's a LOT of conclusion jumping on the net, and a lot of it is due to insufficient data. For example, there's a reference to William M. Marcum/Markham, a son of James S. Marcum of Lee Co. Va and Owsley Co. Ky on one of the sites as having married and had children, but if whoever originally assumed that fact had done a thorough check of ALL the existing records of Lee County, Virginia instead of relying on the net, the person would have found that THIS William M. Marcum/Markham died in infancy in August of 1857 and therefore couldn't possibly have been the same William of the family group given. So please, proceed with caution, and go to the courthouses and libraries to check out the information you think might be valuable, and to get your basic information such as birth, death and marriage records, tax rolls, census records, processioner and other court records. Also, there are several veteran researchers on this list who would be happy to help you learn the basics and who may be able to tie you into a proven line. Where are you in your research on your Marcum/Markham line ? Maybe I can help? I've been at this for about thirty-five years, and have accumulated a lot of raw data from courthouses and archives that I hope to start posting after the first of the year on the Virginia Markham/Marcums of Jamestown and later of the (possibly related?)Bedford/Botetourt group, some of which moved to Lee Co, Va. and then over Cumberland Gap into Ky. Good hunting ! Karen Marcum Brandon -----Original Message----- From: Richard Featherstone <rfeatherstone@paradise.net.nz> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 11:55 PM Subject: [MARKHAM] Abbreviations of Given Names >Does anyone know what "Jno" stands for? > >One of my other lists thinks it stands for "Jonathan" but if my ancestors >were following a pattern it should be "John". > >Regards > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >New Subscribers: >Please post your Markham/Marcum family History >to our list. We are anxious to hear from you. > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== Visit Rootsweb's Resource page for MARKHAM http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MARKHAM/

Dear Mr. Featherstone, "Jno." is and was an abbreviation for "Johnathon", just as "Wm." stood for "William" and so on. It is very common in original records and is used almost interchangeably with "John". I would accept it as a given, if I were you. As things modernized, your ancestors may have called a child simply "John" in honor or memory of a "Johnathon" since there was little or no difference, OR the child's name may have been "Johnathon" but the nickname "John" was used. I have a first cousin, Robert Harrison Marcum, III who went through most of his life thinking his name was just Bob(by) Marcum. Also, it's good to remember that in those days Biblical names, particularly those of the desciples, were used by almost everyone, and this can lead to wrong assumptions about name patterns. In other words, name patterns can be very valuable if the name is Hezekiah or Obediah, but less so in the case of James, John, and Thomas. A better indicator is the use of the mother's maiden name as the child's name or middle name, and that can give a clue to the mother's identity sometimes. Again, it shouldn't be accepted until proven, since people did name children after friends as well as realtives, or even made up new names altogether. In the mid-1800s, there was a rash of naming children after presidents and war and other heroes, so that we had Henry Clay Marcum and Andrew Jackson Marcum (both sons of James S.) for example. There was a post not long ago defending computer research and referring to those of us who work primarily from original records as "snobs", but, while there are certainly advantages to computer research, particularly in the contacts to be made, it is still essential to read the original records. Differences in handwriting (or the lack of it) can identify or rule out an individual as being a particular person. Also, aside from the accuracy quotient, there is a "feel" one gets from going over the old documents about other people's families while searching for one's own which carries over and is of enormous benefit. It is easier to learn the vocabulary of the times and to see the pattern of how a particular census taker or tax agent spelled or abbreviated things, and of what the customs were at the time. For example, a friend of mine was wasting valuable time looking for non-existent relatives of her "Relict" family because she had seen a reference to a known ancestor as "Jane Jones Relict of John Jones". If she had spent some time pouring over documents in the archives for a while, she would soon have learned that "Relict" meant "Widow", and have saved herself a lot of trouble. I'm not saying that computer research can't be highly valuable, but people should be very careful about it and check everything against original documents before assuming it is correct. There's a LOT of conclusion jumping on the net, and a lot of it is due to insufficient data. For example, there's a reference to William M. Marcum/Markham, a son of James S. Marcum of Lee Co. Va and Owsley Co. Ky on one of the sites as having married and had children, but if whoever originally assumed that fact had done a thorough check of ALL the existing records of Lee County, Virginia instead of relying on the net, the person would have found that THIS William M. Marcum/Markham died in infancy in August of 1857 and therefore couldn't possibly have been the same William of the family group given. So please, proceed with caution, and go to the courthouses and libraries to check out the information you think might be valuable, and to get your basic information such as birth, death and marriage records, tax rolls, census records, processioner and other court records. Also, there are several veteran researchers on this list who would be happy to help you learn the basics and who may be able to tie you into a proven line. Where are you in your research on your Marcum/Markham line ? Maybe I can help? I've been at this for about thirty-five years, and have accumulated a lot of raw data from courthouses and archives that I hope to start posting after the first of the year on the Virginia Markham/Marcums of Jamestown and later of the (possibly related?)Bedford/Botetourt group, some of which moved to Lee Co, Va. and then over Cumberland Gap into Ky. Good hunting ! Karen Marcum Brandon -----Original Message----- From: Richard Featherstone <rfeatherstone@paradise.net.nz> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 11:55 PM Subject: [MARKHAM] Abbreviations of Given Names >Does anyone know what "Jno" stands for? > >One of my other lists thinks it stands for "Jonathan" but if my ancestors >were following a pattern it should be "John". > >Regards > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >New Subscribers: >Please post your Markham/Marcum family History >to our list. We are anxious to hear from you. > >

unsubscribe =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Ray Hemmings Email: hemmings@earthlink.net HEMMINGS & ASSOCIATES, LLC Voice: 770/590-1560 4700 Lock Ridge Court Cell: 678/488-6215 Kennesaw, GA 30152 Fax: 810/314-4044 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From: MARKHAM-D-request@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:00:45 -0800 > To: MARKHAM-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: MARKHAM-D Digest V00 #159 > > > MARKHAM-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 159 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spell ["a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.co] > #2 Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spell ["Rosemary Shields" <rsk70@hotmail.] > #3 [MARKHAM] I Need Help ["Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictrans] > #4 [Fwd: [MARKHAM] Family History Web [JERALD MARKHAM <markhamj@bellatlan] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from MARKHAM-D, send a message to > > MARKHAM-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> > Date: Friday, November 24, 2000 8:13 PM > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" > > Wow Rosemary! I hope those poor people in the Netherlands haven't read your > description of their island! > > I have also seen the spelling "Markum" referenced in Germany and in Eastern > Europe (I don't remember where). Are all of these people originally > descended from "Markham"? Does anyone of any information regarding this? > > Thanks again for all of your responses. > >> From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> >> Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:05:53 -0500 >> >> Your interpretation of the name Markham is completely correct. The >> original Markham's that entered Virginia in the 1600's spelled it MARKHAM. >> >> Tommy >> >> Thomas A. Markham >> markm@ictransnet.com Researching: >> MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY >> ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS >> FUQUA, HARDY, JONES >> and JOHNSON >> Check Out My Home Page At: >> http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rosemary Shields >> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >> >> >> I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. >> >> The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were >> originally >> Markhams. They were probably originally from England. >> >> There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are >> thinking of >> an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, >> I >> do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for >> so >> many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their >> income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in their >> traditional clothing and wooden shoes. >> >> Rosemary Shields >> >> >>> From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >>> Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >>> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT >>> >>> It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally in >>> England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have >> learned >>> there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen >> references >>> with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have information >>> with >>> regard to this? >> >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>> http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >>> Markham Associated Web Page >>> Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page >>> members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm >>> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> ________ >> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >> http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> Check out Ralph Clark's Markham site: >> http://ralphinla.rootsweb.com/marcum.htm >> >> >> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> Markham Associated Webpage: >> http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg >> > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ______________________________ > From: "Rosemary Shields" <rsk70@hotmail.com> > Date: Saturday, November 25, 2000 3:33 AM > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" > > Hi, > > I didn't say anything that is not common knowledge. It is even mentioned in > travel books, etc. They are all one family, and have been inbreeding for > years. Their family name is not Markhum. > > Rosemary > > >> From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:13:46 >> >> Wow Rosemary! I hope those poor people in the Netherlands haven't read >> your >> description of their island! >> >> I have also seen the spelling "Markum" referenced in Germany and in Eastern >> Europe (I don't remember where). Are all of these people originally >> descended from "Markham"? Does anyone of any information regarding this? >> >> Thanks again for all of your responses. >> >>> From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> >>> Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >>> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:05:53 -0500 >>> >>> Your interpretation of the name Markham is completely correct. The >>> original Markham's that entered Virginia in the 1600's spelled it MARKHAM. >>> >>> Tommy >>> >>> Thomas A. Markham >>> markm@ictransnet.com Researching: >>> MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY >>> ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS >>> FUQUA, HARDY, JONES >>> and JOHNSON >>> Check Out My Home Page At: >>> http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rosemary Shields >>> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >>> >>> >>> I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. >>> >>> The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were >>> originally >>> Markhams. They were probably originally from England. >>> >>> There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are >>> thinking of >>> an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, >>> I >>> do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for >>> so >>> many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their >>> income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in >>> their >>> traditional clothing and wooden shoes. >>> >>> Rosemary Shields >>> >>> >>>> From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >>>> Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>>> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >>>> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT >>>> >>>> It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally >>> in >>>> England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have >>> learned >>>> there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen >>> references >>>> with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have >>> information >>>> with >>>> regard to this? >>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>> http://www.hotmail.com. >>>> >>>> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>> http://profiles.msn.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >>>> Markham Associated Web Page >>>> Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page >>>> members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________ >>> _________ >>> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >>> http://explorer.msn.com >>> >>> >>> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >>> Check out Ralph Clark's Markham site: >>> http://ralphinla.rootsweb.com/marcum.htm >>> >>> >>> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >>> Markham Associated Webpage: >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg >>> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> ________ >> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >> http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> New Subscribers: >> Please post your Markham/Marcum family History >> to our list. We are anxious to hear from you. >> > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ______________________________ > From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> > Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 1:38 AM > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MARKHAM] I Need Help > > Dear List Members: > > In my Web Presentation "Bedford County Virginia A Pictorial History", I > have a section called-- "Markham Question of the Week". I need your > help with this weeks question. If you have time, and can help please > contact me at my Email address. The URL of my Web Page is : > http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ > > Thank You, > > Tommy > > Thomas A. Markham > markm@ictransnet.com Researching: > MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY > ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS > FUQUA, HARDY, JONES > and JOHNSON > Check Out My Home Page At: > http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ > > ______________________________ > From: JERALD MARKHAM <markhamj@bellatlantic.net> > Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 4:46 PM > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Fwd: [MARKHAM] Family History Website - Correction] > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > unsubscribe > > --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <MARKHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.123]) > by immta1.bellatlantic.net > (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP > id <20001119191745.HVCY21241.immta1.bellatlantic.net@lists5.rootsweb.com> > for <markhamj@bellatlantic.net>; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:17:45 -0500 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id eAJJHPi11132; > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:17:25 -0800 > Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:17:25 -0800 > X-Original-Sender: asmith8@optonline.net Sun Nov 19 11:17:25 2000 > Message-ID: <006101c0525d$9f6052a0$79d2be18@g1u2n3> > From: "Alfred Smith" <asmith8@optonline.net> > Old-To: <emyers@microlink.net>, <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > References: <f9.4b48f00.274703f1@aol.com> <3A16A664.D1712E4@microlink.net> > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Family History Website - Correction > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:19:22 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Resent-Message-ID: <l-6zM.A.stC.FdCG6@lists5.rootsweb.com> > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3697 > X-Loop: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: MARKHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Unsubscribe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Myers" <emyers@microlink.net> > To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Family History Website - Correction > > >> unsubscribe >> >> >>> >> >> >> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> Visit Rootsweb's Resource page for MARKHAM >> http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MARKHAM/ >> >> > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Markham Associated Web Page > Check out Jack Perry's Home Page at > http://Perry-family.org > > > --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582-- >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <MARKHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.123]) by immta1.bellatlantic.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001119191745.HVCY21241.immta1.bellatlantic.net@lists5.rootsweb.com> for <markhamj@bellatlantic.net>; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:17:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id eAJJHPi11132; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:17:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:17:25 -0800 X-Original-Sender: asmith8@optonline.net Sun Nov 19 11:17:25 2000 Message-ID: <006101c0525d$9f6052a0$79d2be18@g1u2n3> From: "Alfred Smith" <asmith8@optonline.net> Old-To: <emyers@microlink.net>, <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> References: <f9.4b48f00.274703f1@aol.com> <3A16A664.D1712E4@microlink.net> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Family History Website - Correction Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:19:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <l-6zM.A.stC.FdCG6@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3697 X-Loop: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: MARKHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Myers" <emyers@microlink.net> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Family History Website - Correction > unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Visit Rootsweb's Resource page for MARKHAM > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MARKHAM/ > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== Markham Associated Web Page Check out Jack Perry's Home Page at http://Perry-family.org --------------B5D92B0154CC25A373671582--

Dear List Members: In my Web Presentation "Bedford County Virginia A Pictorial History", I have a section called-- "Markham Question of the Week". I need your help with this weeks question. If you have time, and can help please contact me at my Email address. The URL of my Web Page is : http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ Thank You, Tommy Thomas A. Markham markm@ictransnet.com Researching: MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS FUQUA, HARDY, JONES and JOHNSON Check Out My Home Page At: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/

Hi, I didn't say anything that is not common knowledge. It is even mentioned in travel books, etc. They are all one family, and have been inbreeding for years. Their family name is not Markhum. Rosemary >From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:13:46 > >Wow Rosemary! I hope those poor people in the Netherlands haven't read >your >description of their island! > >I have also seen the spelling "Markum" referenced in Germany and in Eastern >Europe (I don't remember where). Are all of these people originally >descended from "Markham"? Does anyone of any information regarding this? > >Thanks again for all of your responses. > >>From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> >>Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:05:53 -0500 >> >>Your interpretation of the name Markham is completely correct. The >>original Markham's that entered Virginia in the 1600's spelled it MARKHAM. >> >>Tommy >> >>Thomas A. Markham >>markm@ictransnet.com Researching: >> MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY >> ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS >> FUQUA, HARDY, JONES >> and JOHNSON >>Check Out My Home Page At: >>http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rosemary Shields >> To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >> >> >> I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. >> >> The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were >>originally >> Markhams. They were probably originally from England. >> >> There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are >>thinking of >> an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, >>I >> do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for >>so >> many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their >> income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in >>their >> traditional clothing and wooden shoes. >> >> Rosemary Shields >> >> >> >From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >> >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >> >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT >> > >> >It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally >>in >> >England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have >>learned >> >there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen >>references >> >with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have >>information >> >with >> >regard to this? >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>http://www.hotmail.com. >> > >> >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> >http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> > >> >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> >Markham Associated Web Page >> >Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page >> >members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm >> > >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >>http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >> Check out Ralph Clark's Markham site: >> http://ralphinla.rootsweb.com/marcum.htm >> >> >>==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >>Markham Associated Webpage: >>http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg >> > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >New Subscribers: >Please post your Markham/Marcum family History >to our list. We are anxious to hear from you. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Wow Rosemary! I hope those poor people in the Netherlands haven't read your description of their island! I have also seen the spelling "Markum" referenced in Germany and in Eastern Europe (I don't remember where). Are all of these people originally descended from "Markham"? Does anyone of any information regarding this? Thanks again for all of your responses. >From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:05:53 -0500 > >Your interpretation of the name Markham is completely correct. The >original Markham's that entered Virginia in the 1600's spelled it MARKHAM. > >Tommy > >Thomas A. Markham >markm@ictransnet.com Researching: > MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY > ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS > FUQUA, HARDY, JONES > and JOHNSON >Check Out My Home Page At: >http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rosemary Shields > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" > > > I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. > > The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were >originally > Markhams. They were probably originally from England. > > There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are >thinking of > an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, >I > do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for >so > many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their > income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in their > traditional clothing and wooden shoes. > > Rosemary Shields > > > >From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> > >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" > >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT > > > >It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally in > >England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have >learned > >there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen >references > >with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have information > >with > >regard to this? > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > >Markham Associated Web Page > >Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page > >members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Check out Ralph Clark's Markham site: > http://ralphinla.rootsweb.com/marcum.htm > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >Markham Associated Webpage: >http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hey, guys....what does grave dowsing do, anyway? :) -Kat- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas A. Markham" <markm@ictransnet.com> To: <MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Grave Dowsing > Rick: > > Check out the Article on my Web Presentation on Grave Dowsing, at URL: > > http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/dowsing_for_graves.htm > > Tommy > > Thomas A. Markham > markm@ictransnet.com Researching: > MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY > ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS > FUQUA, HARDY, JONES > and JOHNSON > Check Out My Home Page At: > http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BMarble@aol.com > To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Grave Dowsing > > > Rik, > If you rule out the 3 most common reasons for failure, (gripping too tightly, > thumbs over handles and the most common, walking too fast) then I would guess > that your hangers may have been cut too short. They should extend out far > enough to fall outside the plane of your own magnetic field. Try cutting them > at the base of the hanger just before where it begins the twist to form the > hook. Let me know if you try this again and if it works next time. > Brenda > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > Markham Associated Web Page > Check out Jack Perry's Home Page at > http://Perry-family.org > > > ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== > To access the Rootsweb list of archives for all surnames > Use this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were originally Markhams. They were probably originally from England. There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are thinking of an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, I do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for so many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in their traditional clothing and wooden shoes. Rosemary Shields >From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT > >It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally in >England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have learned >there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen references >with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have information >with >regard to this? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >Markham Associated Web Page >Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page >members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Rick: Check out the Article on my Web Presentation on Grave Dowsing, at URL: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/dowsing_for_graves.htm Tommy Thomas A. Markham markm@ictransnet.com Researching: MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS FUQUA, HARDY, JONES and JOHNSON Check Out My Home Page At: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ ----- Original Message ----- From: BMarble@aol.com To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Grave Dowsing Rik, If you rule out the 3 most common reasons for failure, (gripping too tightly, thumbs over handles and the most common, walking too fast) then I would guess that your hangers may have been cut too short. They should extend out far enough to fall outside the plane of your own magnetic field. Try cutting them at the base of the hanger just before where it begins the twist to form the hook. Let me know if you try this again and if it works next time. Brenda ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== Markham Associated Web Page Check out Jack Perry's Home Page at http://Perry-family.org

Your interpretation of the name Markham is completely correct. The original Markham's that entered Virginia in the 1600's spelled it MARKHAM. Tommy Thomas A. Markham markm@ictransnet.com Researching: MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS FUQUA, HARDY, JONES and JOHNSON Check Out My Home Page At: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemary Shields To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" I do not know the origin of the spelling Markum. The people who spell their name Marcum in KY and VA, etc. were originally Markhams. They were probably originally from England. There is no town in Holland (Netherlands) named Markum. You are thinking of an Island a few miles outside of Amsterdam. Although I have been there, I do not remember the correct spelling. The people have intermarried for so many years that most of them are of low intelligence. They make their income from the Tourists who come over on the ferry to see them in their traditional clothing and wooden shoes. Rosemary Shields >From: "a. allen" <missionkid5@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MARKHAM] Origination of Spelling "Markum" >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:06:20 GMT > >It has been my understanding that the "Markum" family was originally in >England and originally spelled the name "Marcum." However, I have learned >there is a town called "Markum" in Holland, and have also seen references >with the same spelling in Eastern Europe. Does anyone have information >with >regard to this? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== >Markham Associated Web Page >Check out Leslie Ashman's Home Page >members.aol.com/lkashman/frame.htm > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== Check out Ralph Clark's Markham site: http://ralphinla.rootsweb.com/marcum.htm

Bettie: I have an article in my web presentation on dowsing for graves. I have done it, and it worked 100%. The URL of the article is as follows: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/dowsing_for_graves.htm Tommy Thomas A. Markham markm@ictransnet.com Researching: MARKHAM, LEE, LOWRY ASHLEY, TINGEN, WATTS FUQUA, HARDY, JONES and JOHNSON Check Out My Home Page At: http://www.frontpage2000.family-net.org/tmark/ ----- Original Message ----- From: BETTIELLEN@aol.com To: MARKHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [MARKHAM] Grave Dowsing I don't know anything about Grave Dowsing, but I learned a little about water dowsing from my uncle who is now deceased. I am still a skeptic, but I have done it, following his instructions and under his watchful eye, and it worked. I don't know how or why, but it did. I used a pair of welding rods that he stripped and bent for me. I think they are either copper or brass, and bent at a 90 degree angle about 1/3 of the length. You hold the short, bent ends, pointing the long ends in front of you. I swear that they went wild when I was over a water source that was unknown to me. Bettie ==== MARKHAM Mailing List ==== Visit Rootsweb's Resource page for MARKHAM http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MARKHAM/

I don't know anything about Grave Dowsing, but I learned a little about water dowsing from my uncle who is now deceased. I am still a skeptic, but I have done it, following his instructions and under his watchful eye, and it worked. I don't know how or why, but it did. I used a pair of welding rods that he stripped and bent for me. I think they are either copper or brass, and bent at a 90 degree angle about 1/3 of the length. You hold the short, bent ends, pointing the long ends in front of you. I swear that they went wild when I was over a water source that was unknown to me. Bettie

Rik, If you rule out the 3 most common reasons for failure, (gripping too tightly, thumbs over handles and the most common, walking too fast) then I would guess that your hangers may have been cut too short. They should extend out far enough to fall outside the plane of your own magnetic field. Try cutting them at the base of the hanger just before where it begins the twist to form the hook. Let me know if you try this again and if it works next time. Brenda

In the summer of 1999, the discussion of grave dowsing arose on the Markham list. Since that time and since I began working with the Cass County Historical Society, I have had the opportunity to experiment with this method quite extensively. I have added a page to my website giving detailed instructions on how to use this technique, not only to locate graves, but also to determine gender and approximate age. I have found this to be a wonderful tool for genealogist, especially when trying to locate unmarked graves in a family lot and wanted to share my findings with you. Go to http://members.fortunecity.com/cassmofind or click on the blue hyper-link < <A HREF="http://www.fortunecity.com/business/washington/1616/index.htm"><CASS MO FIND</A> to go the site and then click on the page titled,"Grave Dowsing". Hope you find my article to be useful for your searches and if you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me. thanks Brenda Marble

Brenda, Hi -- long time. I read the web article with interest. I attempted to dowse for water this past summer. It was a limited test and failed miserably. I didn't want to try this at the nearby cemetery, so I dowsed over the known location of our septic tank. I used coat hangers, with the heads nipped off, about 6 inches for the handles and the rest at 90 degrees to that. No success. I had my kids try, too. Any pointers? What is the chief reason this may not work for some people -- that is, something that can be altered? Perhaps I should try on a living person! I have never actually witnessed the procedure, but it sure sounds straightforward. Any pointers? Thanks -- Rik Vigeland