-------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "Andrea Vogel", INTERNET:andreav@island.net To: "R.J.Marjoribanks", Rogmarj Date: 27/04/00 01:32 PM RE: Re: Marjoribanks & Huguenot ancestry Hi Roger -- nice to hear from you and I'm glad you did because I want to clear up a misunderstanding that seems to have happened. Just a clarification about Marjoribanks and Huguenot ancestry. The list of surnames obtained from the book by O'Hart did include Marjoribanks and this list was titled Huguenots and their *descendents*. This does not mean that the name Marjoribanks is "a Huguenot name" -- because there is no such thing -- wherever and whenever you find that name. It merely means that *some* persons with this surname were descendents of Huguenots (whose ancestors may have originally had quite a different surname centuries ago). For example, there is no name which is always a Huguenot name just as there is no name which is always Catholic, or always Baptist, or always anything else, etc. Take my surname, Vogel, for example. I am a descendent of Huguenots but their names were not Vogel. It was something else. But my name (or my maiden name) could be in a list of Huguenot *descendents* because I can prove that ancestry. Similarly, someone with the Marjoribanks surname (probably in Ireland), has Huguenot ancestry so that name is included in the particular list that O'Hart put in his book. But it certainly doesn't mean that all Marjoribanks have Hug. ancestry or that it is a "Huguenot name". Hope this clears up the misunderstanding. I also hope someone will also post similar info on the Marjoribanks list so that all subscribers are aware of the difference. As another example, I have heard that 3 out of 4 Britons today have Huguenot ancestry (not sure if this is true). But that doesn't mean that 3 out of 4 names are "Huguenot names". As for Berringer, there could be Hug. connections there. It doesn't ring any bells with me, sorry. Certainly the London area was a major centre of Hug. settlement in England. To connect the name to any of those attending the French churches in London, however, you would have to get back to about the early 1700's and late 1600's, perhaps earlier. It means taking this line back a few generations before you are in the right time period (you mentioned 1794 as the earliest date you have). I'd start investigating parish churches in London where Huguenots were most numerous and, before that, the actual refugee church records themselves. By the way, name changes (anglicizations) were fairly common although sometimes a name remained completely unchanged. I hope this has answered any questions you may have had and cleared up the whole issue. My apologies for the mix-up. I'm not even sure how the Marjoribanks name became known to you if you are not subscribers to my list. Was it through a message board or a PML? Best wishes, Andrea -----Original Message----- From: R.J.Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> To: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> Date: April 26, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Huguenot ancestry >Dear Andrea, > >Sorry to have to tell you that Marjoribanks is quite certainly not a >Huguenot name - we appeared about 50 years before the word Huguenot came >into use & it derives from a little place just north of the Scottish >border. Of course, this doesn't mean that an emigre might not have adopted >the name rather than his own, which might seem a bit of a mouthful in >English or Irish ears (though hardly more strange than Marjoribanks!). > >BUT my wife's maiden surname was Berringer and there is a strong family >tradition that they derived from Huguenot emigres (I know that the name >Beranger goes back a long way in France - we found a portrait of one in the >Hall of the Knights in Rhodes). The most remote ancestor I have traced is >a John Sebastian Berringer who m. Esther or Hester Ellis (St. Leonards >Shoreditch) in 1794, but I have also found Berringers in Sunbury a century >earlier and a few (not always spelled the same) scattered around London. > >Does this ring any bells? She is dying to get further back! > >Roger Marjoribanks (rogmarj@compuserve.com) > ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: andreav@island.net Received: from mimas.island.net (mimas.island.net [199.60.19.4]) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id UAA12465 for <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from widget (dyn16.comox.island.net [209.52.232.26]) by mimas.island.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/island) with SMTP id RAA30107 for <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:32:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> From: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> To: "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Marjoribanks & Huguenot ancestry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01bfafe1$ae90f0a0$LocalHost@widget> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3