On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:57:10 -0400 "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >Among the prisoners held at "Wiggin" (Wigan) I see Wigan in the west end of Greater Manchester new County, formerly southern Lancashire. At next year's AGM when in England, maybe you all can visit Wigan jail if its location is still known. Maybe there is a photo for Leigh's website. Maybe Wigan has some photos of historic places on its website, showing the jail maybe? >at an unspecified date after the failure of the >1715 rebellion I have found the following:- > >No. Chr. N. Sirname Parish County Company Regiment > >95 Geo. Margerybanks Sineland Tividall Archibald McDonnell, Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire. Roger, you must use one tiny font! to get that to fit on a line. But it is good to know how it is laid out on the paper. I guess you got a photocopy & it will be on Leigh's web site so Georges can discuss the parish? I started to say nothing, but saw no email response to this, yet thought it was extremely interesting. Let me reformat it to see if I have the right words in the right columns. No. 95 Chr. N. Geo. Sirname Margerybanks Parish Sineland County Tividall Company Archibald McDonnell, Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire So he is the 95th person from the top of the list, "Christian Name" George There being no George in the Bible as far as I can remember, I would have called the column "given name", but perhaps that is just my definition of "Christian name". Maybe the name George got Christianized when George became St. George. (I see St. Geo. lived in the 200s in the Holy land where he was martyred so he is about old enough to have been included in the Bible. Maybe he is in the apocryphal New Testament. I guess that would make his name a Christian name, but still the column would have other names with an equally hard uphill battle to being called Christian. Edw. III 1327 - 1377 made him patron st. of Order of the Garter. I will hush & let you all look up St. Geo. in your Ency. for yourselves. I liked that he was seen helping the Franks in battle in 1098. I like tales of the supernatural & sci-fi.) Surname Margerybanks makes me think he can read & write because he called himself Marchbanks in America so must have known it was pronounced Marchbanks, but knew to say Margerybanks so the clerk would spell it more rightly. Or, the clerk was more knowledgeable of surnames than I would have thought. If the clerk signed the list to attest to its truth, then a Scottish name would tell me that it was perhaps that the clerk that knew the name should be spelled like Margerybanks sounds, rather than George being the one that got it so nearly right. Roger you once said when areas of Scotland converted to the Marchbanks spelling. Parish Sineland County Tividall I did not know that counties had changed in this century until I pulled my 1915 atlas off the shelf. I did not find Teviotdale as a county, but found, East Lothian Co. was called Haddington Co., Midlothian Co. was called Edinburgh Co., West Lothian Co. was called Linlithgow Co., Canna, Sandy, Rum, & Muck Is. were in Argyll Co. Looking at my reprint of "a Tudor atlas by John Steed" that I bought at games, it labels 5 places in LOUTHIANE co.: 1) Nythesdale 2) Anandale 3) Liddisdale 4) Twedale 5) Tivedale which is located where Teviotdale is. Southeast of LOUTHIANE co. is a county in the shape of a figure 8 called The Marches. The rivers are labeled flu reminding me of the French word for river, so I guess the map is in Latin? Does that affect the spelling of the above names? I gather they are just phonetic. I notice that the map labels Tivedale while labeling Teveot flu. Why? Is the cartographer using those 2 features to arbitrarily show the range of variation in the pronunciation? To date the map, the map says in one corner, "Performed by John Speed and are to be sold in Popes head alley by John Sudbury and George Humbell Cum Privilegio. 1610." I do not see anything that reminds me of Sineland, but would expect Bleau's county maps to show it if it is really a parish with church. I have Bleau's maps of Stirlingshire & Lancashire somewhere, but not LOUTHIANE co. or the Marches. Company Archibald McDonnell, Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire A McDonald is in charge of an Argyllshire (Campbell) Regt.! I guess that could be explained by the Glencoe Massacre being well after 1715. I think Glencoe was right after Culloden 1746? The Battle of Glencoe is not on my maps because (as I think on it) it was not a battle but rather a massacre or police action? Is Culloden divided to an extent on religious lines, Campbell being Presbyterian & siding with England while the McDonalds & Bonnie Prince Charlie are Catholic? At the games Glencoe is mentioned to pick at the Campbells. But when one hears the details of Glencoe it was not exactly a Campbell action, but rather an action of the UK crown, so I am not sure how much is really blamed on Clan Campbell. We are not really serious when we pick at Campbells at the games. Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire I guess you will tell us of that unit later. Argyll is a fur piece from Teviotdale. >He is given no military rank but is listed among a >group of "Scotch servants." It would be interesting to see the whole list to get a perspective on servants. If there were just a few, then they may have been servants of the highest officers, otherwise is the man that tends the horses & cooks called the servant? Are you saying the servants were only Scots? I wonder if Scotch meant speakers of Scots as opposed to highlanders like the Argyll folks who spoke Gaelic. I have heard the people of the borders were looked down on & have heard the highlander was looked down on by the lowlander for wearing kilts. So it may have been mutual. The names of George's fellow servants would be interesting if one could tell their origin. What am I thinking, it does not need to be implied from surname, it is given on the list! If the names are not alphabetically listed, then maybe kith & kin were standing together when the list was made giving us clues as to where Sineland was. >This doesn't appear to get us much further but it >does represent progress, even if most of it is >negative. Negative!? >I've been unable as yet to find Sineland (it is >possible, though I don't think so, that my >transliteration is wrong, much more possible that >the clerk has it slightly wrong) but fortunately >there was a clue to Tividall in that another >prisoner was listed as from Roxborough, Tividalls - >and I do know where Roxburgh is! Tividall is >certainly Teviotdale & is so named in c. 1300; It >runs SW - NE through the old county of >Roxburghshire for about 30 miles to join the Tweed >at Kelso (incidentally, it is a really lovely drive >from Teviothead to Kelso). I have a strong belief that there are maps & records that will show us Sineland or something similar. If it were not 21 miles to USC & the spelling were not uncertain, I'd check the OS gazetteer of 1:50K maps of UK. Besides it would be good to see the handwriting before making a trip to check the book so that one could try variations on the S in Sineland. Could it be Fineland? That would be a fine name for fine land. This being in the parish column, may not mean it is a parish anymore than Teviotdale was a county? But, every hamlet had a church, so if Sineland is not a parish, then I guess it is a farm. Even as a farm, it should be in someone's charters. In America I would hope George would have named a creek Sineland or something like that & then put it in his will. Is his will extant? Did he die intestate? >All this virtually proves that my theory that >George was a scion of the Balbardie branch must be >wrong; ... >Roger -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.