I couldn't agree more Roger Love Anna Wood Farm Starston

I have just received an e-mail, subject "happy St Patrick's Day" (misspelled in some jokey manner) & from an aol address that I certainly didn't recognise. Since one is always hearing about viruses contained in attachments to e-mails I deleted the whole thing straight away without opening it. I suggest that this is, virus or not, the best thing to do with such junk mail. Roger

This spring I plan to attend: Burns Tartan Day Celebration Columbia SC 6-8 Apr 2000 Loch Norman Scot.Games Charlotte NC 14-16 Apr 2000 Savannah Scottish Games Savannah GA 13 May 2000 Indian Springs Games near Jackson GA 3 Jun 2000 Tartan Day Celebration is not having clan tents. Loch Norman charges $160 to do a tent, so will do no tent there. Savannah charges $105 to do a tent + have to buy tickets for $10, so will have no tent there> I can have a tent at Indian Springs for free for services rendered, but will probably do Clan McCallum, since there are McCallums there & I have as yet not been able to rouse any interest among M'banks to go to Indian Springs. Gatlinburg 19-21 May 2000 is too close in time to Savannah & Indian Springs games, so I do not plan to attend Gatlinburg. I have only found one of us interested in attending this year (Harris Steward). If any of you are going to any of those games, let me know. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

> > Thanks for your note. If anyone asks you anxiously about our raging Foot & > Mouth disease epidemic, you can tell them that it has not reached anywhere > near Aberdeen (though people should keep well away from our homeland in > Dumfriesshire), tourist attractions are open more or less as normal, the > disease does not affect humans and all meat is perfectly safe to eat. I > will of course give anyone who asks an update on the situation, but in > general people should not be scared off - all that is needed is to avoid > walking over farm-land. > > Roger For anyone interested they should check out the official Dumfries and Galloway council website. http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/footandmouth/ It is certainly a horrible situation. If you check out the map you will see how close this has hit to the farms of our ancestors. There are several in the Beattock/Kirkpatrick Juxta area. -- Sheila Hale http://members.home.net/cshale/

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Long <114625.3372@compuserve.com> To: Roger Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>, James Green <kilian4jwg@juno.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:58:24 -0500 Subject: Mrs Brodie Hi Roger, i just spoke to Mrs Brodie and asked her to researcxh wills and probate records for any and all Marjoribanks in kincardine for 1690-1780. She says there is an index so we should find something quickly if there is anything to find. Allen ########### Allen, ok. signed James III ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:02:14 +0000 Allen Long <longjaa@sbu.ac.uk> writes: >Hi Roger, >I checked with the National Archives in Edinburgh >today, the Sasine records as well as the Wills and >Probate records are not available outside the >National Archives. I found a review of the >McCulloch Thornhill book by George Dixon who wrote >the earlier pamphlet on the history of Thornhill. >Now I know why McCulloch won't reply to me. Dixon, >in effect, says the book is largely derivative and >lightweight. So you are saying that in asking McCulloch for sources?, McCulloch could only say "Dixon is the source of all" and McCulloch would be embarrassed to say that so McCulloch does not reply. >Dixon says' Thornhill's historical significance >lies in its being a preGeorgian planned village of >known origin, the heart of the volume for the >general reader (of the McCulloch book) lies in its >account of the years 1695-96'. Dixon says this >part of McCulloch's book is drawn almost entirely >on Dixon's own work. > >I can understand the Marjoribanks migrating up to >Thornhill after 1695 to join this planned >community. As I understand it, they were there >earlier than 1695. Isn't that correct? You are addressing Roger & he may have answered by now. But, the battle of Bothwell Bridge was 22 June 1679 (OS or NS?) and Rev. George Williams margin note by the grave of Samuel M'banks (1690) in Thornhill indicates that Samuel was at that battle & Roger (& now we) assume Samuel thus fled to the Thornhill area right after that battle never returning to Dumfriesshire. One might assume he sent for his family after the battle or snuck (correct English is sneaked?) back for them. (I bet snuk or snuck is in OED. Is this a southern USA or hillbilly (Elizabethan) word? I suspect the latter since my parents & the maid claim to not know snuck. Do you Brits use snuck? I can't find it in Webster which makes me look down on Webster. <grin>) Even David M'banks' Hearth Tax in Boghall in 1694 is prior to 1695. Of course Boghall is nearly a mile east of the church in Thornhill & across the parish line in Kilmadock parish today. It looks to me like Kincardine went to a lot of trouble to annex Thornhill considering the shape of Kincardine parish. I wonder if taking Thornhill into Kincardine parish was to get settlers' tithe into the parish coffers. No, not the settlers of the planned community since the community was founded after 1695 & Sam Mbanks is buried at the church in Thornhill in 1690 meaning the church is older than the feu'ing of Thornhill. Just when did the Thornhill church get built and when did the parish get this odd shape? Sounds like a question for Dixon. Page 134 of the McCulloch book says the oldest grave found was 1675 so the church might be that old. That page also says Gabriel Norrie gave the land for the church so I guess there is a deed which gives the date, so there is a known answer. Does Dixon or McCulloch state the date that Gabriel gave the land? Gabriel Norrie is buried there but the dates were not readable. Gabriel's wife's dates were buried & not read. One does not build a church until there is a population wanting it. So, the Thornhill area must have been built up prior to the building of the church probably prior to 1675. I guess Sam who died 1690 did not go to Thornhill because it was a planned community, since he went to the area prior to 1695 & I think the earliest precise location we have for his family is Boghall 1694 just east of what I assume are the past & present town limits (as defined by the built up area vs. countryside). I would say it is 9 tenths of a mile from Boghall to the Thornhill church which is at Norrieston which is older than Thornhill? Did they divide up Scotland into boroughs so that there is no where that is not in a borough? Is that a true statement even for England? Well I digress. In 1690 when Samuel died, Boghall surely would not be in Thornhill & Thornhill did not exist by that name, right? Gee! all I meant to answer was Allen's question: "they were there [Thornhill planned community] earlier than 1695. Isn't that correct?" & I devolved into considering "where" as well as "when". The short answer is yes, the M'banks were in the area of what became Thornhill before there was a planned community at Thornhill. Anyone disagree? Allen before the above quote you said: "I can understand the Marjoribanks migrating up to Thornhill after 1695 to join this planned community." Yes, I agree with you that that would have been an understandable reason & agree that that is not the reason that the Marjorybankses settled in the area since they got to the area earlier. >Allen >I'm phoning Mrs Brodie later today. Are you commissioning her to look at the Earls of Perth's records or sasines or both or other? -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen http://Genealogy.Org/~green & working on: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I am going to shorten the flag in the subject to "Sams:" as that is how we are differentiated from the Georges on the Marjoribanks list. I guess one could call Roger's group the Lees though he may be the only one of his branch that is subscribed. I don't have names for the other branches subscribed to the list. On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:48:11 -0500 James Long <114625.3372@compuserve.com> writes: >Hi James, >Good idea, the contents of the trunk ould have >been John's inventory. I guess the stock was his >way of earning a little money in the new world. > >The kilt business I doubt. You doubt the legend that Samuel wore a kilt to church his 1st Sunday in America? There is some detail to that legend & one tends to believe legends that have more detail. Roger, do you doubt that legend too? I guess I have lived with the legend long enough to get comfortable with it (used to it) and accepted it. I should be more skeptical. >The Marjoribanks and other lowland Scots being in >the Thornhill settlement were a political move as >anything else. The British policy was to use >lowland Scots in Northern Ireland and in the >Scottish highlands to keep the locals under >control. I agree with all of that. >Notice there were only two Catholics in the town >of Thornhill. What is the page number in the Thornhill book for that? >The Highlanders would have had a considerable >Catholic population. Yep, but the Moss may not be technically in Thornhill. Does the book say where the Moss is? I'd assumed the bog they speak of is Poldar Moss and the adjacent & larger Flanders Moss. Both being adjacent & west & southwest of the Boquhapples, I'd think the M'bankses of Boquhapples & Thornhill would see them & especially when they come to town (Thornhill). Anyway perhaps the highlanders came from a protestant area or converted. At any rate I am merely going by what was said on page 43: "There were now 126 moss tenants in the parish together with their families giving a total of 640 people. By 1811, there were 886 people living and working on the moss. These new settlers were almost all Highlanders." I had assumed that that was equal to the number of people living in Thornhill or at least 25% as many as living in Thornhill. I suppose Lord Drummond or Napier decided to help out the Highland chiefs who were doing "clearances" & he would get tenants for bog land that had never had tenants. Perhaps he went to protestant areas or picked Highlanders willing to convert or maybe the highlanders fearing yet another clearance (deportation to Ireland) kept quiet about their Catholic leanings. I really wonder if the stats of "2 Catholics" included the bogs being they are on the opposite side of the Boquhapples from Thornhill & outside of the parish, mostly in Port of Menteith parish (see 2nd map on the web page below). Citing the maps again: http://Genealogy.Org/~green/Mbanks.html http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen/Mbanks.html Then click on: 1 then 28 Thornhill. >Read 'Albion's Seed' by David H. Fischer. Interesting coincidence. My Confederate buddies are selling the book for $36 + Shipping & tax, but every time I try to buy it, the web site malfunctions when I try to enter each digit of my credit card. But I must be crazy thinking I could find time to read an 800 page book. A number of years ago, at a meeting of our Fairfield County Chapter of the SC Genealogical Society, the program was a detailed report of the contents of the book & the book sounds great & ever since then I've wanted a copy of the book. However I should probably read the Thornhill book first don't you think? >My Longs went to Cumberland Co, Pa in the middle >1700. That was the frontier and the British used >Scotch-Irish to be the frontier guards. >Allen >Please reply to longjaa@sbu.ac.uk > >Back to work today! -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen http://Genealogy.Org/~green & working on: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.