Dean Steward is concerned that you might not have received the message about his change of address. Here it is. Bob Marjoribanks Effective 1 May 2000 my email address for the next 6 months will be mailto:wdest2@rabun.net. My snail mail address will be 291 Pleasant Mountain Dr. #206, Dillard, GA 30537

-------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "Andrea Vogel", INTERNET:andreav@island.net To: "R.J.Marjoribanks", Rogmarj Date: 27/04/00 01:32 PM RE: Re: Marjoribanks & Huguenot ancestry Hi Roger -- nice to hear from you and I'm glad you did because I want to clear up a misunderstanding that seems to have happened. Just a clarification about Marjoribanks and Huguenot ancestry. The list of surnames obtained from the book by O'Hart did include Marjoribanks and this list was titled Huguenots and their *descendents*. This does not mean that the name Marjoribanks is "a Huguenot name" -- because there is no such thing -- wherever and whenever you find that name. It merely means that *some* persons with this surname were descendents of Huguenots (whose ancestors may have originally had quite a different surname centuries ago). For example, there is no name which is always a Huguenot name just as there is no name which is always Catholic, or always Baptist, or always anything else, etc. Take my surname, Vogel, for example. I am a descendent of Huguenots but their names were not Vogel. It was something else. But my name (or my maiden name) could be in a list of Huguenot *descendents* because I can prove that ancestry. Similarly, someone with the Marjoribanks surname (probably in Ireland), has Huguenot ancestry so that name is included in the particular list that O'Hart put in his book. But it certainly doesn't mean that all Marjoribanks have Hug. ancestry or that it is a "Huguenot name". Hope this clears up the misunderstanding. I also hope someone will also post similar info on the Marjoribanks list so that all subscribers are aware of the difference. As another example, I have heard that 3 out of 4 Britons today have Huguenot ancestry (not sure if this is true). But that doesn't mean that 3 out of 4 names are "Huguenot names". As for Berringer, there could be Hug. connections there. It doesn't ring any bells with me, sorry. Certainly the London area was a major centre of Hug. settlement in England. To connect the name to any of those attending the French churches in London, however, you would have to get back to about the early 1700's and late 1600's, perhaps earlier. It means taking this line back a few generations before you are in the right time period (you mentioned 1794 as the earliest date you have). I'd start investigating parish churches in London where Huguenots were most numerous and, before that, the actual refugee church records themselves. By the way, name changes (anglicizations) were fairly common although sometimes a name remained completely unchanged. I hope this has answered any questions you may have had and cleared up the whole issue. My apologies for the mix-up. I'm not even sure how the Marjoribanks name became known to you if you are not subscribers to my list. Was it through a message board or a PML? Best wishes, Andrea -----Original Message----- From: R.J.Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> To: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> Date: April 26, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Huguenot ancestry >Dear Andrea, > >Sorry to have to tell you that Marjoribanks is quite certainly not a >Huguenot name - we appeared about 50 years before the word Huguenot came >into use & it derives from a little place just north of the Scottish >border. Of course, this doesn't mean that an emigre might not have adopted >the name rather than his own, which might seem a bit of a mouthful in >English or Irish ears (though hardly more strange than Marjoribanks!). > >BUT my wife's maiden surname was Berringer and there is a strong family >tradition that they derived from Huguenot emigres (I know that the name >Beranger goes back a long way in France - we found a portrait of one in the >Hall of the Knights in Rhodes). The most remote ancestor I have traced is >a John Sebastian Berringer who m. Esther or Hester Ellis (St. Leonards >Shoreditch) in 1794, but I have also found Berringers in Sunbury a century >earlier and a few (not always spelled the same) scattered around London. > >Does this ring any bells? She is dying to get further back! > >Roger Marjoribanks (rogmarj@compuserve.com) > ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: andreav@island.net Received: from mimas.island.net (mimas.island.net [199.60.19.4]) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id UAA12465 for <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from widget (dyn16.comox.island.net [209.52.232.26]) by mimas.island.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/island) with SMTP id RAA30107 for <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:32:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> From: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> To: "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Marjoribanks & Huguenot ancestry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01bfafe1$ae90f0a0$LocalHost@widget> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:54:55 EDT CMarch4515@aol.com writes: > Need Help -- > I lost the web site for the Golden Retriever story - A niece in New Orleans is in desperate need , her >report is due in 2 weeks - Please e-mail me >-- > Thanks, > Chuck Marchbank go to my main web page http://genealogy.org/~green/MbanksOld.html or http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/MbanksOld.html & look for Golden & you will find the links that I think you want. If not, a search engine should find what you want. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

James, Our name cannot possibly be Huguenot, since the Huguenots hadn't been invented in the late 15th century when our name appeared. Oddly enough, I was told when I was a child (but my informant had no particular knowledge) that the name was French in origin, but this seems most unlikely, since we have a perfectly good place name in the Borders to derive it from (even if we can't all agree on its precise significance!). Oddly again, Sue's maiden surname (Berringer) IS thought to be Huguenot as far its English appearances go (in the French form Berenger it is very old indeed and the Germanic Berengar older still). I wonder if your correspondent has this listed - if so I'd be most grateful if you could put her in touch with me. I've written to her myself, but just in case my message doesn't get through perhaps you could mention it. Roger

Need Help -- I lost the web site for the Golden Retriever story - A niece in New Orleans is in desperate need , her report is due in 2 weeks - Please e-mail me -- Thanks, Chuck Marchbank

Roger, Bob, et al, Know anything of this book & a Mbanks being a Huguenot descendant? James III --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> To: "James W Green III" <jameswgreen@juno.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:57:58 -0700 Subject: Re: MARJORIBANKS Hi James -- I am list admin of the Huguenots-Walloons-Europe mailing list which is where the Marjoribanks surname was posted. I have no connection to it and no one on the list has posted about it. It was merely in a long list of surnames which was posted to the list. The source of this info, posted by me to the list, was an 1892 book by O'Hart, published in Dublin, listing surnames of Huguenots and their descendents in England and Ireland 1643-1714. No info about Marjoribanks was mentioned except that it was listed along with the other surnames that started with M. Chuck Bobo also posted about this name -- but again it was just a listing of surnames, from another book, by Samuel Smiles, also published in the 1800's. Chuck will likely send you more info about that source. If any of the Marjoribanks subscribers think they have Huguenot ancestry, they might want to subscribe to the H-W-E list. Our geographical focus, however, is continental Europe, the UK and Ireland, not North America. I can send you more info about the list if you want it. Sorry I couldn't help you more. Good luck, Andrea -----Original Message----- From: James W Green III <jameswgreen@juno.com> To: andreav@island.net <andreav@island.net>; ChuckBobo@aol.com <ChuckBobo@aol.com> Cc: JamesWGreen@juno.com <JamesWGreen@juno.com> Date: April 26, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: MARJORIBANKS >Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> >ChuckBobo@aol.com, > >MESSEAR sent me an email posted yesterday by Andrea >to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com in >which the signature line had tons of surnames >including Marjoribanks. Do either of you have an >interest in Marjoribankses? If so, what is your >interest? We have a list & web pages. > >I descend from Marjoribanks as you will see at my >urls below. >-- >James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA > home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green > & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I've just been looking again at "Famous Trials of Marshall Hall" by Edward Marjoribanks and for the first time noticed the dedication. It is, simply, "Perditae" - "To the lost lady." In view of Edward's later suicide, largely as a result of his failure to win his love, I find that tragically poignant. Roger

Name Location City State Year Finley Marchbanks residence 317 w 3d Leadville CO 1882 Found on Ancestry.com reconstruction of the mostly destroyed 1890 census. Purr M.

As list manager, I have received "bounces" for eldon@bbs.neto.com rather consistently over the last several weeks. Can anyone shed light on this communications problem? The address is not a subscribed address. See forwarded message below for details. We are leaving on Wednesday for two weeks in Vienna, Prague and Budapest, so my responses may be a bit slower than usual. In the way of news, our eldest daughter, Jennifer, has decided to go to law school, in keeping with a bit of family tradition, and has been accepted for Fall admission at the University of Alabama and Catholic University of America [in Washington, DC- they have a fine school, the smallest of any major law school in the Washington area, but with a good reputation here, and have offered her a scholarship at least partially in the interest of diversity (we are Presbyterians)]. She is still waiting to hear from several others before making a choice. Bill Jackson >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) >X-From_: MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 16 07:25:48 2000 >To: MARJORIBANKS-L-request@rootsweb.com >Subject: Delivery failure (eldon@bbs.neto.com) >From: postmaster@vopmail.neto.com >Old-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:39:31 -0500 >X-Diagnostic: Mail to bbs.neto.com bounced 5 times >X-Diagnostic: Bounces exceed threshold of 4 >X-Diagnostic: Not confident enough to autoremove the offending address > 9 EWC@neto.com 18463 bbs.neto.com >X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored >X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem >X-Envelope-To: MARJORIBANKS-L-request > >Your message has encountered delivery problems >to the following recipient(s): > >eldon@bbs.neto.com >Delivery failed >550 User is not allowed to receive internet email. > > >No recipients were successfully delivered to. > > >Reporting-MTA: dns; vopmail.neto.com > >Final-Recipient: rfc822; eldon@bbs.neto.com >Action: failed >Status: 5.0.0 (Permanent failure - no additional status information available) >Remote-MTA: dns; bbs.neto.com >Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 User is not allowed to receive internet email. >Resent-To: eldon@bbs.neto.com >Resent-From: eldon@vopmail.neto.com >Resent-Message-Id: <B0005993626@vopmail.neto.com> >Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:39:30 -0500 >Resent-To: eldon >Resent-From: EWC@neto.com >Resent-Message-Id: <B0005993625@vopmail.neto.com> >Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:39:30 -0500 >Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.30]) by >vopmail.neto.com > (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with ESMTP id <B0005993624@vopmail.neto.com> for ><EWC@neto.com>; > Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:39:30 -0500 >Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20531; > Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) >X-Original-Sender: PurrsPaws@aol.com Sun Apr 16 07:25:06 2000 >From: PurrsPaws@aol.com >Message-ID: <e4.3be391b.262b271e@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:24:30 EDT >Subject: For James F. Marchbanks >Old-To: MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 >Resent-Message-ID: <cbF5iB.A.oAF.C1c-4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1910 >X-Loop: MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: MARJORIBANKS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > <A HREF="http://www.savannahpd.org/memorium.html">Click here: In Memorium</A> > > >I do not know which family line James belongs to. Just found this while >cruising on the internet >Purr Marchbanks

<A HREF="http://www.savannahpd.org/memorium.html">Click here: In Memorium</A> I do not know which family line James belongs to. Just found this while cruising on the internet Purr Marchbanks

Bob, On behalf of my distinguished relative, please do! Poor old Coutts - I feel he had more than his share of bad luck, though I do have to admit that most of us do quite a bit to bring it on ourselves! If he could only have lived ten years more he would have inherited the Tweedmouth title, though I don't quite know what he could have done with it! No, I don't have "A bonny Fechter" & would be most interested in details of Brook House. Roger

I did a Marjoribanks Table at Tartan Day in SC State Museum Columbia, SC Thursday 6 April 2000 It was free of cost. I am going to Loch Norman Games tomorrow, but tents are $160 so doing no tent there. I am going to the Savannah Games Sat. May 13, but tents are $105 there so doing no tent there. What games are you attending & which ones will you do a tent at? -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I received a clipping today from a recent edition of the local newspaper in Kelowna, British Columbia, headed: King of Ne'er Do Wells Of course, it's about poor old Coutts Marjoribanks who was banished by his father, first to a ranch in Dakota and then to a fruit farm in British Columbia. The article calls him "the uncrowned king of the Remittance Men," and accuses him of drinking, carousing and indolence. The fact that his business enterprises failed has more to do with the impractical ambitions of his sponsor and brother-in-law the Earl of Aberdeen than to any mismanagement on his own part. I think if I were forced by my father to leave a luxurious mansion in London and a huge country house in Aberdeenshire to go to live in a log cabin in the North American wilderness with cretinoius cowboys for neighbours, even I might have a couple of drinks in the saloon on Saturday night! Worse than any of the other accusations, the author seems to suggest that Coutts was an Englishman! I'm thinking about drafting a letter to the editor. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

This is a very readable list . It was on my Jacobite newsletter. Purr M. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Forest/7275/jacobiterebels.htm">C lick here: Jacobite Rebels 1716 </A>

James and Myrna, Yes, districts are the minor areas of the Scottish regions with councils which have certain powers reserved to them. Roger

On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:22:44 -0400 "Myrna" <myrna@coubrough.com> writes: >Dear Mr. Green: >In a recent internet search for our family name, I >came accross your very professional looking web >site. Thanks. >The page to which I refer has pictures of a house >called Springfield which had been the home of John >Marjoribanks, ca. 1743. You said that the photo >was sent to you by a man named John G. Cowbrough in >1993, and I wondered if you knew anymore about >him. Evidently you were looking at: http://genealogy.org/~green/Mbanks/samuel.html or the duplicate web page: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/Mbanks/samuel.html Which says: "15. Home of John Marjoribanks (born 1743) per Snailmail from Cowbrough" But you went on to say, "in 1993", so I guess you clicked on 15 which took you to: http://genealogy.org/~green/Mbanks/cowbrough.html or the duplicate url: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/Mbanks/cowbrough.html The the letter says 83 not 1993. >Would you by chance have an address where I could >write to him, or have some means of asking him to >write to me? The only address I used for him was: John G. Cowbrough, joiner & undertaker Green Oak Thornhill Stirling FK8 3PP Scotland, UK Thornhill is the town (as shown on the maps linked at the bottom of the above urls). Stirling is a nearby pre-1975 county name, but Thornhill was not in Stirling County. Thornhill was in Perth County prior to May 1975. Now Thornhill is in Central Region now that the counties are gone. I know England's counties are divided into boroughs now. I think Scotland's Regions are divided into districts now. Perhaps Stirling is the district that Thornhill is in. My sole knowledge of districts comes from an entry (in my 1979 Encyclopedia Britannica) titled: "Kyle and Carrick, district, Strathclyde region ...". From merely that I concluded that Scotland's regions were divided into districts & from that I decided tonight that Stirling might be a district of Central Region. Marjoribanks List, can you tell me if Regions are divided into districts now? Green Oak is the name of his house. I remember his house was just across the street from Thornhill church. I find that street is called Main Street so you might add Main St. under the house name. You might also write on the next line "across street from church". I like house numbers, but don't have his house number. >The name is fairly rare, and I am one of several >people on an international project whose premise is >that all those who bear the Coubrough/Cowbrough >surname are connected somewhere along the way. I >would be grateful if you could put us in contact, I hope I have been of help. >or if you could direct him to my website at >www.coubrough.com. I am not in contact with him. He last wrote me 1 Oct. 1983 & I last wrote him 19 Dec 1983. Nothing further has been sent or received. I understand you gave me the url to pass on to him to aid me in protecting his privacy, but I am a freedom of information person, not a right to privacy person. If he has moved, I hope the current resident of the house can tell you where to contact his Cowbrough kin. I always thought that was one of the oddest surnames -- more odd than Marjoribanks. If I find my Marjoribanks folder, I will try to put the original letter on the web so you can see the signature. His hand was hard to read so I was not sure of his surname. But don't look for the letter on the web any time soon. I have been looking for my folder for a month now. >Thank you. >Myrna J. Coubrough >myrna@coubrough.com -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:48:19 -0500 "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >James & Sams, > >Eventually I manged to reach the byker site by >using a search engine (can't think why I couldn't >bring it up directly) Do you paste the url or click on the url or access it from your bookmarks? If so, I cannot see why it does not open, except that genealogy.org and fortune city have been down a lot lately though hopeful not at the same time. However if you key in the url, you might have missed the upper case M in Mbanks or mistyped the tilde (~) or typed ; rather than : or \ rather than /. Others occasionally say they cannot get to the pages. I need you all to send me the error message so I can fix it. >& have had a look through the Mutter document as >you have transcribed it. I'm not a very good >proof-reader, but the only two errors I found were >on page 1 where "mined" should read "ruined" and >page 6 where "bum" should read "burn." I fixed mined & 2 occurrences of bum on page 6. Thanks. If you all see any other discrepancies between the text & the graphics, let me know. >I confirm that the marginalia are mine. >Roger -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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James & Sams, Eventually I manged to reach the byker site by using a search engine (can't think why I couldn't bring it up directly) & have had a look through the Mutter document as you have transcribed it. I'm not a very good proof-reader, but the only two errors I found were on page 1 where "mined" should read "ruined" and page 6 where "bum" should read "burn." I confirm that the marginalia are mine. Roger