I have just returned from the beach and read all the wonderful research on George. I thought I might add a few notes that I have already shared with some of you all in the past. 1. Public Record Office-Aug. 16, Whitehall 1716. 310. Mr.Sec. Methuen to Lt Governor Spotswood. A list of rebel prisoners ordered to be transported to Virginia.Listed among the 126 aboard the Elizabeth and Anne a Geo. Mergibanks 2. P.R.O. May 4, Whitehall 1716.Mr. Secretary Stanhope to Lt. Governor Ssotswood.-All rebels to enter into indentures to serve for a period of seven years. 3. Preface to P.R.O. America and West Indies" everwhere the problem of increasing the white population by means of the import of indentured labor was coming to the fore",thus the reason for deportation to Virginia and Jamaica.All in all 639 prisoners were sent to the southern colonies and the West Indies. 4.From a chapter entitled Anne And The Union of Parliaments in a publication that I have lost the cite for, an occupational hazzard for retired historians,I find the following:"On 12 October Borlum was sent accross the Forth to join the southern rebels and in company with them to attack Argyll from the south while Mar nervously pecked at him in the north. Borlum instead made an attempt on Edinburg, was beaten off, and ultimately reached the Jacobite gentry of Northhumberland and Drumfriesshire who had joined forces and were wandering aimlessly.Borlum encountered them at Kelso on the 20 October... he insisted on the combined forces entering England. there to raise ' loyal Lancashire'. Although the Jacobites( deserted by many of Borlum"s Highlanders) easily scattered the Cumberland milita' the enterprise failed miserably, and they made a humiliating surrender at Preston on 14 November". Maybe this will add something. Jerry O.

There is clearly further research that could be done, firstly and most obviously to locate "Sineland" (James - George's will is indeed extant but does not apparently contain any clues). I have the address of the relevant local history library at Selkirk and will write to them in due course. This could lead us to a positive identification - or nowhere! Next, it might be helpful to know more about the "Argileshire" regiment in general and the company of Captain MacDonnell of Dunslapeness (if I have interpreted the record correctly) in particular. I suspect that "regiment" is nothing like a regular army regiment but merely a rabble somewhat larger than a "company" - it seems that the rebels were pretty disorganised, untrained and poorly armed. Probably nothing more brought them to the field of battle than hatred of the Campbells (whose regiments WERE properly organised, though not necessarily of good fighting quality, on the rare occasions when they appear in the historical record). If anyone has any further questions or suggestions please let me know and I'll try to deal fully with them - but for the next month I shall be buried in examination work, so don't expect quick research results! Roger

James, I doubt if Wigan (which was a small village at the time) had a gaol as such - it's more likely that the prisoners were all locked up in the church (this practice is specifically mentioned in some histories of the rebellion). Unfortunately, the document isn't suitable for photocopying but I'm fairly confident of my reading - I took some trouble to compare the handwriting of this entry with others spelling out names that I knew. The only letter I have a lingering doubt about is the e in the middle. There is (or rather was) a place near Roxburgh called Sinles, but until I do some more research I don't know whether it was a single farm or what. I used the term Christian name because the document does the spelling sirname is also the original. It's not clear from the document whether Dunslapeness goes with the company or regimental name - I guess with the company & means Archibald McDonnell of Dunslapeness - it looks like a place-name, though where precisely I can't find as yet. He was surely anti-Campbell - Glencoe was 1692, so the hatred of the Campbells (who most certainly were blamed for the massacre by the pro-Stuart clans) had had time to develop fully. Religion certainly played its part in determining allegiances, but not always as simple as Catholic v. Presbyterian; often inter-clan rivalry or loyalty/disloyalty to the Stuarts was just as important. The spelling Margerybanks is odd - I havn't come across it before (or not at that early date). It doesn't seem to be the way George would have spelled his name but, as you point out, it's doubtful whether he would have pronounced it like that either, though some Scots do. But of course spelling was pretty arbitrary at that period - even Shakespeare (admittedly a century earlier) spelled his own name in several different ways! One other oddity about the document - the list is given twice in different hands - neither record is signed. There were a dozen servants listed together, from half a dozen different regiments - I don't think there is anything significant about this grouping except that it does show that there were some recognised as non-combatants; it doesn't seem to have done them any good! Unfortunately the documents which appear to record the actual court hearings are completely illegible, to me at any rate, and I very much doubt whether there would be any merit in paying a professional the vast fees it would take to go through the lot in the hope of discovering Geotge's trial. Roger

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:57:10 -0400 "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >Among the prisoners held at "Wiggin" (Wigan) I see Wigan in the west end of Greater Manchester new County, formerly southern Lancashire. At next year's AGM when in England, maybe you all can visit Wigan jail if its location is still known. Maybe there is a photo for Leigh's website. Maybe Wigan has some photos of historic places on its website, showing the jail maybe? >at an unspecified date after the failure of the >1715 rebellion I have found the following:- > >No. Chr. N. Sirname Parish County Company Regiment > >95 Geo. Margerybanks Sineland Tividall Archibald McDonnell, Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire. Roger, you must use one tiny font! to get that to fit on a line. But it is good to know how it is laid out on the paper. I guess you got a photocopy & it will be on Leigh's web site so Georges can discuss the parish? I started to say nothing, but saw no email response to this, yet thought it was extremely interesting. Let me reformat it to see if I have the right words in the right columns. No. 95 Chr. N. Geo. Sirname Margerybanks Parish Sineland County Tividall Company Archibald McDonnell, Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire So he is the 95th person from the top of the list, "Christian Name" George There being no George in the Bible as far as I can remember, I would have called the column "given name", but perhaps that is just my definition of "Christian name". Maybe the name George got Christianized when George became St. George. (I see St. Geo. lived in the 200s in the Holy land where he was martyred so he is about old enough to have been included in the Bible. Maybe he is in the apocryphal New Testament. I guess that would make his name a Christian name, but still the column would have other names with an equally hard uphill battle to being called Christian. Edw. III 1327 - 1377 made him patron st. of Order of the Garter. I will hush & let you all look up St. Geo. in your Ency. for yourselves. I liked that he was seen helping the Franks in battle in 1098. I like tales of the supernatural & sci-fi.) Surname Margerybanks makes me think he can read & write because he called himself Marchbanks in America so must have known it was pronounced Marchbanks, but knew to say Margerybanks so the clerk would spell it more rightly. Or, the clerk was more knowledgeable of surnames than I would have thought. If the clerk signed the list to attest to its truth, then a Scottish name would tell me that it was perhaps that the clerk that knew the name should be spelled like Margerybanks sounds, rather than George being the one that got it so nearly right. Roger you once said when areas of Scotland converted to the Marchbanks spelling. Parish Sineland County Tividall I did not know that counties had changed in this century until I pulled my 1915 atlas off the shelf. I did not find Teviotdale as a county, but found, East Lothian Co. was called Haddington Co., Midlothian Co. was called Edinburgh Co., West Lothian Co. was called Linlithgow Co., Canna, Sandy, Rum, & Muck Is. were in Argyll Co. Looking at my reprint of "a Tudor atlas by John Steed" that I bought at games, it labels 5 places in LOUTHIANE co.: 1) Nythesdale 2) Anandale 3) Liddisdale 4) Twedale 5) Tivedale which is located where Teviotdale is. Southeast of LOUTHIANE co. is a county in the shape of a figure 8 called The Marches. The rivers are labeled flu reminding me of the French word for river, so I guess the map is in Latin? Does that affect the spelling of the above names? I gather they are just phonetic. I notice that the map labels Tivedale while labeling Teveot flu. Why? Is the cartographer using those 2 features to arbitrarily show the range of variation in the pronunciation? To date the map, the map says in one corner, "Performed by John Speed and are to be sold in Popes head alley by John Sudbury and George Humbell Cum Privilegio. 1610." I do not see anything that reminds me of Sineland, but would expect Bleau's county maps to show it if it is really a parish with church. I have Bleau's maps of Stirlingshire & Lancashire somewhere, but not LOUTHIANE co. or the Marches. Company Archibald McDonnell, Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire A McDonald is in charge of an Argyllshire (Campbell) Regt.! I guess that could be explained by the Glencoe Massacre being well after 1715. I think Glencoe was right after Culloden 1746? The Battle of Glencoe is not on my maps because (as I think on it) it was not a battle but rather a massacre or police action? Is Culloden divided to an extent on religious lines, Campbell being Presbyterian & siding with England while the McDonalds & Bonnie Prince Charlie are Catholic? At the games Glencoe is mentioned to pick at the Campbells. But when one hears the details of Glencoe it was not exactly a Campbell action, but rather an action of the UK crown, so I am not sure how much is really blamed on Clan Campbell. We are not really serious when we pick at Campbells at the games. Regiment Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire I guess you will tell us of that unit later. Argyll is a fur piece from Teviotdale. >He is given no military rank but is listed among a >group of "Scotch servants." It would be interesting to see the whole list to get a perspective on servants. If there were just a few, then they may have been servants of the highest officers, otherwise is the man that tends the horses & cooks called the servant? Are you saying the servants were only Scots? I wonder if Scotch meant speakers of Scots as opposed to highlanders like the Argyll folks who spoke Gaelic. I have heard the people of the borders were looked down on & have heard the highlander was looked down on by the lowlander for wearing kilts. So it may have been mutual. The names of George's fellow servants would be interesting if one could tell their origin. What am I thinking, it does not need to be implied from surname, it is given on the list! If the names are not alphabetically listed, then maybe kith & kin were standing together when the list was made giving us clues as to where Sineland was. >This doesn't appear to get us much further but it >does represent progress, even if most of it is >negative. Negative!? >I've been unable as yet to find Sineland (it is >possible, though I don't think so, that my >transliteration is wrong, much more possible that >the clerk has it slightly wrong) but fortunately >there was a clue to Tividall in that another >prisoner was listed as from Roxborough, Tividalls - >and I do know where Roxburgh is! Tividall is >certainly Teviotdale & is so named in c. 1300; It >runs SW - NE through the old county of >Roxburghshire for about 30 miles to join the Tweed >at Kelso (incidentally, it is a really lovely drive >from Teviothead to Kelso). I have a strong belief that there are maps & records that will show us Sineland or something similar. If it were not 21 miles to USC & the spelling were not uncertain, I'd check the OS gazetteer of 1:50K maps of UK. Besides it would be good to see the handwriting before making a trip to check the book so that one could try variations on the S in Sineland. Could it be Fineland? That would be a fine name for fine land. This being in the parish column, may not mean it is a parish anymore than Teviotdale was a county? But, every hamlet had a church, so if Sineland is not a parish, then I guess it is a farm. Even as a farm, it should be in someone's charters. In America I would hope George would have named a creek Sineland or something like that & then put it in his will. Is his will extant? Did he die intestate? >All this virtually proves that my theory that >George was a scion of the Balbardie branch must be >wrong; ... >Roger -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Among the prisoners held at "Wiggin" (Wigan) at an unspecified date after the failure of the 1715 rebellion I have found the following:- No. Chr. N. Sirname Parish County Company Regiment 95 Geo. Margerybanks Sineland Tividall Archibald McDonnell, Dunslapeness(?) Argileshire. He is given no military rank but is listed among a group of "Scotch servants." This doesn't appear to get us much further but it does represent progress, even if most of it is negative. I've been unable as yet to find Sineland (it is possible, though I don't think so, that my transliteration is wrong, much more possible that the clerk has it slightly wrong) but fortunately there was a clue to Tividall in that another prisoner was listed as from Roxborough, Tividalls - and I do know where Roxburgh is! Tividall is certainly Teviotdale & is so named in c. 1300; It runs SW - NE through the old county of Roxburghshire for about 30 miles to join the Tweed at Kelso (incidentally, it is a really lovely drive from Teviothead to Kelso). All this virtually proves that my theory that George was a scion of the Balbardie branch must be wrong; if he belonged to any already known branch it must have been the Eccles lot, I imagine (Journal 2) - Kelso is only 5 miles or so SW of Eccles. He would be the right age to be a grandson - presumably youngest & thus landless - of William, the first known to have settled in the area, except for Adam M., the miller at Gordon, a year or two earlier. He seems to have been of fairly low social status, since he is named as a servant (or perhaps just very young) . There is plenty of evidence that the Scottish prisoners were treated pretty brutally - some 70 are said to have been tortured to death. George seems in the end to have come off extremely well, having escaped from poverty at home, escaped death in battle, survived harsh imprisonment and a long voyage, been indentured to a sympathetic master, married his daughter and died a rich man. Not bad going! I have no trace of a George in or around Eccles, but that is hardly surprising. There are no registers from before 1700 and the only people of whom one hears are those who held property and so appear in the Sasines Register. I'm a little worried that George is not a name that occurs at all among the Eccles lot (the counterpart of the helpfulness when researching the Sams of knowing that Samuel, while rare generally, was common among one set of Marjoribankses), and wonder if he is an "oddball" - perhaps his father or grandfather wandered down to Teviotdale from, say, Edinburgh (where George M. is a name that is known, albeit not quite at a fitting date). Any way, that's where I've got to - thanks to Leigh for pointing me in the right direction. On a completely different note, I've found that Balbardie (first recorded as Balbardi in 1325) means "Farm of the bards" - either Baile a bhaird or Baile nam bard in Gaelic. Worth putting into the "Houses" article, Bob? Roger

Bob, No, I'm not familiar with the Chetham Society or its collection - I'll hunt around a bit. I've c hecked out the P.R.O. site from which Leigh no doubt got the info. Class KB8 is entitled "Court of KIng's Bench: Crown Side: Baga de Secretis" and contains the official state records of many of the most important state trials between 1477 & 1813. Most are either files of special commissionsof oyer et terminer or of the court of the lord high steward and peers. The files were literally kept in a bag, hence the title and most of the trials are for treason. The bag was kept in a special closet controlled by three keys, one held by the chief justice of King's Bench (lord chief justice), the others by the attorney general and the master of the Crown Office. A detailed calendar has been published and there are also 31 volumes of narrative of State Trials by T.B. and T.J. Howell (pub. 1816-23) which draw heavily on some of them. Sub-class 66 is indeed mainly concerned with the trials of the Preston rebels in Middlesex and Lancashire. It will, as I said, be a considerable time before I'll be at liberty to research them myself. Would you authorise me to employ a researcher or can it wait? Later:- I find I have a "window" on Tuesday, so will go to Kew & examine the boxes. Since I havn't been to Kew before there will be a considerable fussation to be gone through before I actually get to the documents, so may not complete the task in a day. I foresee possible difficulties, mainly concerned with legibility and spelling (heaven alone knows what an English court of the period will have made of our name!) but will report on the outcome. Later still:- Thought you might be interested in the following, which Sue spotted in the holidays section of the "Daily Telegraph":- "Guisachan Farm, Tomich, by Beauly, Inverness-shire. During summer holidays with my Inverness grandmother, we always begged for an expedition to Tomich. Lord Tweedmouth acquired Guisachan, his 20,000 acre Highland estate, in 1854. The now roofless house, the huge trees planted by dukes and maharajas, the frilly iron bridge spanning the Plodda Falls that cascade through a forested gorge, are still there. Gladstone, Millais, the future George V and Winston Churchill were all guests at Guisachan. Ordinary mortals stay in the farm courtyard, converted into three family friendly cottages with a small swimming pool. Guisachan is still a working farm; the dazzling walking, fishing and picnic country of Glen Affric make Tomich an excellent base for a laid-back holiday. Sleeps 4; £220-£490; Tomich holidays (01456 415332; www.tomicholidays.zetnet.co.uk)." Roger

here is the url for the information that i posted if Roger can get copies or whatever of the information, i will post it to my website leigh <A HREF="http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1700v2/elizabeth&ann17160114.html"> ISTG Vol 2 - Ship Elizabeth & Ann</A>

Leigh: Like everyone else I'm excited about your discovery. You describe the boxes in great detail. How did you find out about them? By great good luck I found a book-seller here in Ottawa who has a copy of ³Preston Fight or the Insurrection of 1715² and I have ordered it from him. Were you aware that it¹s fiction -- a novel? Where did you learn about the reviews that you mention? The dealer describes the book in this way: ŒLoosely based on the Chetham Society¹s historical collection, this is a valorous tale of the great Jacobite movement of 1715 which sympathizes with the gallant gentlemen who,from mistaken feelings of loyalty, threw away their lives and fortune defending the town of Preston.² The author is William Harrison Ainsworth and the book dealer gives the publication date as 1875 (rather than 1895.) Roger: Are you familiar with ³the Chetham Society¹s historical collection²? That seems to be where the author found his source material. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

I'm an examiner for our GCSE (public exams at age 16) in history and work starts very shortly & will be my prime responsibility for a month or so, but will do what I can by examining the P.R.O. site. It was years rather than months ago that I was carrying out the work I mentioned in Chancery Lane & at that time their computerised index didn't show me anything like this exciting sounding set of documents. I just might be able to fins something relevant in Edinburgh when I visit (alas very briefly) in August. Will report as and when I have anything of interest. Roger

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:38:29 -0400 "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >I'll see what I can find out - it might be worth >starting by checking the PRO indexes. >Unfortunately I won't be able to travel to Kew (not >that it's very far!) for some time as I'm about to >be engulfed in exam scripts. What's an exam script? >When I was last at the Chancery Lane branch of the >PRO (before everything was moved to Kew) I sifted >through several boxes of stuff on the '15 but >didn't come across any such lists as are mentioned >- maybe they have been collected since (It was >several years ago). I thought 6 months or a year ago you checked the Lancaster Assizes or some such for George. I know we (the list) were discussing George's home in the UK. Were you researching George at that time via snail mail, web pages of the BPRO, or your agent (I have forgotten his name)? The image I had was of you checking the Lancaster records in the National Archives (BPRO) in Chancery Lane. I have since learned from you & others that the archives has moved to near Kew Gardens, south of the Thames in London County. Leigh did not give her source, but said "The lists and indictments of the rebels of 1715 is identified as KB8/66. It is described as "Special oyer and terminer rolls and files, including informations and depositions", and is filed in two boxes. The box labelled "Part 1" contains seven folders or bound manuscripts, of which the folios have been numbered in a single series, ff. 1-132." I was thinking that all one would need to ask for was KB8/66 or at most: KB8/66 "Special oyer and terminer rolls and files, including informations and depositions" and if they were still lost or brought you something different than the following, you could show them what you expected is: "The box labelled "Part 1" contains seven folders or bound manuscripts, of which the folios have been numbered in a single series, ff. 1-132. The other is a very long box because some of the documents are three or four feet long. It contains Part 2 (ff. 133-201) and Part 3 (ff. 202-254)." Of course they will want to know the source (including date) of these words & Leigh will have to provide that. Leigh, is that from an email or web page? Man! This is a detailed description of the records! If it is an old description and they have microfilmed the records & have these boxes off limits or removed from boxes & stored in some other fashion &/or in another building, then we may have a problem. What struck me from Leigh's next paragraph: "Each folder bears the heading: "A list of ye Rebell Prisoners at [place], showing their Christian Names and surnames the Parish and county they dwelled In." {These records are all written in Latin.}" was you will finally have the home parish for George and can then see if they have the parish records for that parish & thus research his ancestors! I am excited for you Georges! On rereading this, I note it also says "A list of ye Rebell Prisoners at [place] ..." I had expected all of them to be in the dungeon of the castle at Lancaster. Perhaps I get this mental vision from watching Robin Hood on TV as a child. One of the American Bill of Rights was no billeting of troops in people's homes? Did the Brits billet prisoners in homes or just other jails around England? >As for the book, I suppose it's long out of print & >I'm none too sure where to start looking - Bob, >have you any ideas? I suppose I might contact the >publishers, who I believe are still in business >under the name Routledge Kegan Paul - mainly >associated with the R.C. Church. Leigh wrote: "a book published in 1895 by George Routledge and Sons, Limited titled "Preston Fight or The Insurrection of 1715" Reviewers say this book is historically correct." Leigh, what was the relevance of those words to the previous words? Were your previous words taken from that book? If so those boxes existed prior to 1895 when the book was written & I hope they are still in the boxes & can be found. Looking above, I do not see that it says the records were. It does not say London, Lancaster, Preston, or anywhere. I hope you George's will continue this discussion. I (a Sam) would do best to fall silent. This is your all's affair. >Roger > >Later:- I've e-mailed the P.R.O. enquiry desk & >hope for a reply this year, next year, sometime, >never! -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I'll see what I can find out - it might be worth starting by checking the PRO indexes. Unfortunately I won't be able to travel to Kew (not that it's very far!) for some time as I'm about to be engulfed in exam scripts. When I was last at the Chancery Lane branch of the PRO (before everything was moved to Kew) I sifted through several boxes of stuff on the '15 but didn't come across any such lists as are mentioned - maybe they have been collected since (It was several years ago). As for the book, I suppose it's long out of print & I'm none too sure where to start looking - Bob, have you any ideas? I suppose I might contact the publishers, who I believe are still in business under the name Routledge Kegan Paul - mainly associated with the R.C. Church. Roger Later:- I've e-mailed the P.R.O. enquiry desk & hope for a reply this year, next year, sometime, never!

Will do. Roger

These boxes of manuscripts sound like a wonderful find. Leigh, you should try to put photocopies & typed copies & translations of each manuscript on your Geo. Web site. This sounds much more important to look at than the info on the flax grower. Many of the subscribers descend from George. No one descends from the flax grower that we know of. The web page said that all that was on the flax growers' list was how many looms & their parish. That is not very useful considering the Irish destroyed (Shermanized) their own church or parish records. That book sounds good too. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

has anyone checked the following resources to see if any further information can be gathered on George: The record of the trial for the rebels captured at Preston is at the Public Record Office, Kew, London. The lists and indictments of the rebels of 1715 is identified as KB8/66. It is described as "Special oyer and terminer rolls and files, including informations and depositions", and is filed in two boxes. The box labelled "Part 1" contains seven folders or bound manuscripts, of which the folios have been numbered in a single series, ff. 1-132. The other is a very long box because some of the documents are three or four feet long. It contains Part 2 (ff. 133-201) and Part 3 (ff. 202-254). Each folder bears the heading: "A list of ye Rebell Prisoners at [place], showing their Christian Names and surnames the Parish and county they dwelled In." {These records are all written in Latin.} a book published in 1895 by George Routledge and Sons, Limited titled "Preston Fight or The Insurrection of 1715" Reviewers say this book is historically correct.

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:20:05 -0400 "McCollum, Kinloch" <kmccollum@lsiJax.Com> writes: >Isn't there some kind of ceremony on Friday at the >Highland Games at Grandfather Mountain? Kinloch, are you going to Grandfather this year? OK, leaving the subject of games at Clover SC this weekend & moving to the subject of Grandfather Mt. next month (less anyone show up at the wrong place this weekend) ... Last year, Grandfather Mt. started having games on Friday. I heard it went well. This year, they again seem to be having games on Friday, this time until 2:30 PM. On http://www.grandfathergames.com/schedule.htm one can see the "schedule" from Thursday thru Sunday. On that page, one link says: "Friday, July 7 9:00AM Friday Games! - MacRae Meadows Friday Games are completed by 2:30pm" If your computer is slow (like my 100 MHz computer), you might want to explore the site by using my links under #5 on http://genealogy.org/~green/Scot/grandf.html duplicated at: http://members.fortunecity.com/marbanks/Scot/grandf.html Their top page has music which seems to lock up my computer. I reported it to them last night, but would not expect the webmaster to remove music just because of a few slow computers browsing the web. I would be curious if their page locks up any of your computers. Go to my site above to explore their site. I think their might be the best site on the Grandfather Mt. Games. I wish I could go, but the camping money has to be in by June 15 which is a week from today. Adult tickets are $40 plus camping is $20/night for a 2 man tent & one would need to be there by Thursday night at the latest in my opinion. To not camp at the games is logistically unthinkable to me as well as greatly diminishing the enjoyment of the festival. In other words, that is what I recommend to you all. They now have hot water in the showers I am told. The clan needs someone to represent us in the Bear. Who is doing the Bear at 7 PM Thursday 6 July, see the schedule on the web (url above)? :-) We have the burning cross at dusk Thursday. Who will be at that for the clan? Perhaps we should make a web page showing who is arriving when so you all that go, can start looking for each other. There is usually a white erasable magic marker board in camping whereon people announce their presence in the campground to the rest of their party which has not arrived. I think the staff in camping have named the streets or designated areas. I should fill out a "request" on the web for an answer to that question. One should take something to make their camp stand out like a flag & tell the list what their tent or RV looks like to help one find each other among the thousands of campers at the games. If not camping, saying where you are might bring your clansmen to your lodge for a visit. Since I am talking about visiting, I guess I have to say that I mean "clansmen" to mean people -- mankind -- both kinds of men, plain men & women. Should we use he-men & wo-men to designate the 2 kinds of men? :-) I am tending to run on, so I close. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Roger: I tend to favour the policy of searching down "every stray Marjoribanks." I would recommend that Roger pursue the flax-grower, if he has the time. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

I'm perfectly prepared to research anyone if requested; in my records I have a Robert Marchbank born in Moffat in 1756 who is the only one I have who might fit and who certainly might have emigrated to Ireland. If anyone wants me to check him out I certainly will. Irish records (I mean registers) are very sparse, since most were destroyed at the time of the Rising & Civil War earlier this century but it might be interesting to see what this particular record has. Shall I go ahead? Roger

Anyone interested in attending the Clover SC Kinntra (Scotch Irish) Gathering, this Saturday, please let me know. I will tell everyone about the Indian Springs Festival in GA that was this past Saturday via web pages soon, I hope. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Marjoribankses, Perhaps someone else has mentioned this to the list. If not, maybe this is of interest. The Clan McCallum List said check Check out this data base from Ancestry.com - http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3732.htm and I found 0 Marjoribanks 0 Marchbanks 0 Marshbanks 0 Marshbank 0 Majorybank 0 Marjorybank 0 Majorybanks 0 Marjorybanks 1 Marchbank: ID | County | Surname | Given Name ------+-------------+-----------+---------- 26573 | Londonderry | Marchbank | Robert The web page goes on to say: It provides the name of grower and county of residence. Reference numbers are provided for those desiring further information regarding particular entries. Researchers may contact the Ulster Historical Foundation at 12 College Square East, Belfast, BT1 6DD, United Kingdom. Revealing information on over 56000 persons involved in the flax industry, this can be an illuminating collection. Extended Description: This information has been provided by the Ulster Historical Foundation. If you would like to know the civil parish location of any individual listed in this search result and the number of spinning wheels/looms that he/she was awarded then this is available from the Foundation. They will provide you with this data together with an assessment of the feasability of undertaking research on this individual plus information on sources of potential relevance. The fee for this service is US$25/UK15 payable by credit card, money order or cheque. Please forward your request together with any other information you might have on your Irish ancestors (eg. Religious denomination-Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Church of Ireland/Episcopalian) together with your payment to: Ulster Historical Foundation 12 College Square East, Belfast, Northern Ireland, BT1 6DD Telephone: ++01232 332288 Does the Marjoribanks research committee try to search down every stray Marjoribanks? -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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