Hi Folks, I have just been handed this address http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blxkids.htm With a bit of searching I found the Poem of Life (Although it wasn't called that) I am afraid it is a hoax e-mail. So if you want to check out appeal e-mail's this looks like the site to go to. Anna Wood Farm Starston

I have now heard from the Ulster Historical Foundation, who can do no more than confirm that Robert Marchbank was "awarded one spinning wheel for growing a quarter of an acre of flax in the civil parish of Kilcronaghan, Co. Londonderry." The covering letter makes it clear that tracing him any further is rather unlikely to be successful. Such records as there are make it seem that there were no longer any Marchbanks in Ireland by 1830. This has cost £15, which I will draw from the Family funds in my possession. Roger

On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:58:25 -0400 Roger Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >Bob, >Not sure we can base much on this argument - he is, >after all, a servant in terms of the army, not >necessarily in civilian terms. ... >Roger Also he might be too young to fight? and thus equivalent to a drummer boy. As an example, if you were 13 & the son of an earl, you are to young to be an officer, and it would be beneath your station to make you a private & besides, too young to make or let you fight, so does servant sound like a good job for the minor of an earl. I would not view "servant" as a "put down". Squires help knights get into their armor & onto their horse & thus are body servants? Remember I am not a Brit & not a historian so what I say cannot count for much. :-) 'Tis my humble opinion, feeling, & speculation. My view of servants may be wrong. How old was Geo. in 1715? I guess he was too young to be married in the UK? If so he just forgot her when he got to America & got himself a new wife after his indenture? No I think he would have got her to come (indentured if need be) if he had been married in Scotland. I think he is about too young to be married when he got deported. If he were born in 1700 it would make the math easy (poor reason for picking a date). Then he would be 15 in the Battle & 16 on arriving in VA and 40 when he died. Checking the lineages, I see Phyl says born ca. 1795. Was that so he could be 20 in the battle? There may have been other dates. I made some efforts to standardize the data on each person so may have lost data. (My ancestor Greg Cherry, was a drummer boy in 1814 at age 27 in the War of 1812. They say that drummers were very important & stood by the commander to drum what the army was to do next. So even a drummer boy is important.) I think like Roger this is a military job & not a civilian caste (social class). For someone that is not a descendant & not an expert, I sure run on too much. Sorry. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Bob, Not sure we can base much on this argument - he is, after all, a servant in terms of the army, not necessarily in civilian terms. I still hope to trace some Marjoribankses in Roxburghshire & thus throw light on the problem. In the meantime, I don't think I care to speculate - I've been wrong too often before! Roger

Dear Jim, I've now downloaded the page you mentioned & will file it with my Marjoribanks Family records - most interesting and many thanks for the navigation instructions! I examined KB8/66 a few weeks ago and duly located the lists of prisoners in Box 1, reasonably legibly set out, and duly discovered "Geo. Margerybanks", listed among a group of "Scotch servants" held at Wigan and apparently a native of Teviotdale (Roxburghshire). Box 2 is legible only, I guess, to specialists - it is not so much that most of the docs. are in Latin as that the script is both old-fashioned Secretary Hand and much faded. Box 1, in general, is in English and a more modern script. It would be well worth while for an interested group of Americans with Scottish ancestry to club together to have a transcript made of the various lists as there is just enough detail in them to give at least the possibility for further research (though we are getting back into a period where Scottish records, e.g. parish registers, are at best fragmentary and at worst non-existent). I imagine a researcher could do the job (I mean just transcribing the lists of prisoners) for a couple of hundred dollars or so - doing the whole two boxes would be extremely expensive and probably not worth while. If anyone thinks it worth while I'm quite happy to have this note forwarded to the relevant people interested in this web page. Roger

Roger: I remain skeptical about George Marjoribanks's social status as implied by his listing in English documents in the category of "Scotch servants." At the time of his capture he was spelling his name in the traditional way: Marjoribanks. And he was evidently pronouncing it Marchbanks, since that's the form he chose on arriving in America. It seems very unlikely that any master would allow his servant to identify himself by the name of a distinguished family of landed gentry and, what's more, to pronounce it otherwise than phonetically. Such behavious would be regarded as intolerable affectation, bordering on impudence. Bob Marjoribanks

At 05:18 AM 7/9/2000 -0400, Roger Marjoribanks wrote: >Yes, I'll have a look at the site. There are two or three legible lists of >prisoners held in various places in the KB package, so there's a fair >chance that a particular individual might appear. > >Roger Roger, does "KB" in the designation of the documents at Kew indicate that the proceedings were in the Court of Kings Bench? Bill Jackson

Yes, I'll have a look at the site. There are two or three legible lists of prisoners held in various places in the KB package, so there's a fair chance that a particular individual might appear. Roger

Aaron, James has asked me to forwatd this, which I gladly do. Roger -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: James W Green III, INTERNET:jameswgreen@juno.com To: [unknown], Rogmarj CC: [unknown], INTERNET:JamesWGreen@juno.com Date: 08/07/00 17:32 PM RE: Fw: Aaron of Coldstream? Roger, Please send this to the list so Aaron sees it. When I said I was not telling the list that his line is in the lineages file, I was just trying to motivate Aaron to provide the rest of his info. I think the list will be interested in your letter. Feel free to add info to your email (to the list) about his line from the LDS web site or from my lineages file. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Roger Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> To: James W Green III <jameswgreen@juno.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:48:56 -0400 Subject: Aaron of Coldstream? James, I tried to find out a bit about this line some time ago. There are Marchbankses recorded in Newcastle-upon-Tweed, who appear to be connectedto this family, going back into the 17th century, and before any others moved into the Borders (inc. Coldstream), so I think they must be separate emigrants from Dumfriesshire. Unfortunately the registers give so littledetail that it is impossible to construct a lineage. Roger ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: jameswgreen@juno.com Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.64]) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id MAA07818 for <Rogmarj@compuserve.com>; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"9rTaviipZOhpOuheONyxoUpRD1MeJ8v4XeLyZKjVJcwRblqEoCSEfg=="> Received: (from jameswgreen@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FCGHWASR; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:31:37 EDT To: Rogmarj@compuserve.com Cc: JamesWGreen@juno.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:19:29 -0400 Subject: Fw: Aaron of Coldstream? Message-ID: <20000708.122143.-233589.0.jameswgreen@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James W Green III <jameswgreen@juno.com>

At 05:56 PM 7/8/2000 -0400, James W Green III wrote: [snip] >Also on this web page it said "convicted at Chester >of high treason; accepted 'transport' rather than >hanging until not dead etc.;"? Could you spend a >little time hanging from a rope & then go free? >I thought hanging almost always broke your neck & >you died quickly. I could see being hoisted off >the ground & shocking a while as a punishment, but >I think this is surely miswritten when it says >"hanging until NOT dead". I thought the sentence >"You shall be hung until dead", was just for >emphasis on this being a death sentence. Is this >like a trial by water, except that trial by water >was a "mo win" situation. James, the reference to "hanging until not dead , etc." is undoubtedly correct. The punishment for treason back then was the same as that inflicted upon William Wallace much earlier, but still as unpleasant: first the unfortunate was strung up to dangle and strangle, with his feet just off the ground; then his torso was cut open . . . and beyond that I will suggest you check a reference work for more details on the punishment of being hung, drawn and quartered, as it gets too gory to really detail much further. So who, in their right mind and given the option, wouldn't have chosen transport over such a horrible end. Bill Jackson

BTW, as a Sam, I am jealous. We Sams have no passenger list. Sam & his dad John came after the revolution so there are no passenger lists that I know of. There are Naturalization Records for other of my SC ancestors arriving in SC from the UK in the 1700s after the Revolution, but I don't think John or Samuel bothered to get Naturalized. As I recall, my Cherry arrived in 1785 from North Ireland & got Naturalized in Chester Co. SC. The pre-revolution passenger lists are really just list of people in the Council Journals who are getting grants (warrants for survey), having just arrived on such & such ship. Chester County's Citizenship Petitions start 1802 & were in Clerk of Court. Fairfield County's Citizenship Petitions begin in 1806 and are also in Clerk of Court. This is according to the book "A Guide to Local Gov. Records in the SC Archives" by the staff of said archives. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:17:24 -0500 "jimmcdonald" <jim91429@email.msn.com> writes: >7-8-2000 > >George Majoribanks arrived in Virginia Colony in >1716 aboard the ship "Elizabeth and Ann." > >An account of this voyage is available on >RootsWeb.com ... >Jim McDonald OK I followed your instructions & arrived at: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1700v2/elizabeth&ann17160114.html I compared what Leigh Smith wrote us (the list) 8 Jun 2000 and guess this is where she read of KB8/66 at Kew because this web page mentions KB8/66 at Kew and is word for word the same but has more. This web page tells us that William R. Williams is the researcher & is researching because some think his Kerrs descend from the Kerr deported on this ship. It says the book that Leigh mentioned came to him via interlibrary loan from Jacksonville University Library. That makes it easier to order it. It says: "* [means] These prisoners were probably some of the followers of the Pretender captured at Preston", so you Georges need to get an asterisk for Geo. Marchbanks. The only one with a star is Alexr Kerr and he has a link to the same page. I wonder if they would like to give a link from George to Leigh's web page on George. So, Roger, you will want to look at that url when you have time. I think Williams & the webmaster of that page could use your help as you look at the papers at Kew. I found it interesting that this is the only passenger list for Yorktown VA. I guess there are other passenger lists & they will be put on the web later. Also on this web page it said "convicted at Chester of high treason; accepted 'transport' rather than hanging until not dead etc.;"? Could you spend a little time hanging from a rope & then go free? I thought hanging almost always broke your neck & you died quickly. I could see being hoisted off the ground & shocking a while as a punishment, but I think this is surely miswritten when it says "hanging until NOT dead". I thought the sentence "You shall be hung until dead", was just for emphasis on this being a death sentence. Is this like a trial by water, except that trial by water was a "mo win" situation. The link from this page to http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/scansv2/docsv2/elizabeth&ann17160114_pprs.htm l sounds familiar. It is James Urquhart deposition that some prisoners bought their freedom at Cork & other places, but he was in chains & it would be too noisy to beat them off so he arrived in VA then there is the complaint that deportation was to be their punishment & not deportment + indenturing. It calls the book "Harrison Ainsworth's 'Preston Fight.'" while the 1st web page just stated the publishers of this book. This page also has a list of the prisoners on the ship plus names those that bought freedom at Liverpool & at Cork. Seeing the clans on the list, I wonder if I should print the list & take it to the other tents next time I go to the games, to see if they are researching their clansmen on this ship & what they have read from Kew or elsewhere. Actually that is a job for Georges. We need more people to attend the games. This would give a George something to do at the games. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

7-8-2000 George Majoribanks arrived in Virginia Colony in 1716 aboard the ship "Elizabeth and Ann." An account of this voyage is available on RootsWeb.com if you are interested in reading and/or downloading this data. Just follow these steps: 1. Search the Internet for RootsWeb.com 2. Go to the web site 3. Quick Searches will appear on your screen 4, Enter Marchbanks 5. Scroll down to "Hosted Volunteer Genealogy" to find Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild....and click on it 6. Click on Volume 2 7. Click on Virginia under Ports of Arrival 8. Click on Yorktown 9. Click on Elizabeth and Ann 10. George Majoribanks is included under the headline "The Following Eighty Three Not Indented. 11. Read and enjoy. My e mail jim91429@msn.com All the best....Jim McDonald 6.

Aaron Marchbanks: It was good to hear from another kinsman in the United States. Heraldry is an ancient art and sometimes difficult to understand. The bird on our crest is a griffin, a mythical bird that had the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion and I suppose it was intended to suggest strength and speed. In our case, since only the animal¹s upper body appears, it is called a demi-griffin. The griffin appears to be emerging from a coronet decorated with strawberry leaves. This is called a crest-coronet and is a mark of distinction conferred on one of the chief¹s ancestors by the College of Heralds. The crest is the personal property of the Marjoribanks chief, Andrew Marjoribanks of that Ilk, and is not properly displayed by anyone else. When the crest is surrounded by the buckled belt, however, it becomes the family badge and may be worn by any member of the family as a cap badge or a brooch. The motto on the belt, ³Et Custos et Pugnax,² means ³Both a Guardian and a Warrior.² I was pleased by your interest in the family and, if you would like to give me your postal address, I would be glad to send you some introductory information about the family and a copy of the latest issue of The Marjoribanks Letter, which we publish once a year after the Annual Gathering. I will check my genealogical files to see if I can find anything more about your own ancestors and your place in the family tree. It would be useful to know any more information you may have about your own branch of the family. With kind regards, Robert Marjoribanks Honorary Secretary The Marjoribanks Family. Aaron wrote: >I was wondering if you could tell me what the Marjoribanks crest means? >Specifically the bird, and the belt? > >My name is Aaron David Marchbanks, I was born in Provo, Utah my >gg-grandfathers name was Edwin Marchbanks, and his fathers name was James >marchbanks of 1826, or James Marchbanks the Third. I think James came to USA >in 1840. > >Aaron Marchbanks >Winfield Technology Corporation >aaronm@winfieldtech.com

List: I was wondering if you could tell me what the Marjoribanks crest means? Specifically the bird, and the belt? My name is Aaron David Marchbanks, I was born in Provo, Utah my gg-grandfathers name was Edwin Marchbanks, and his fathers name was James marchbanks of 1826, or James Marchbanks the Third. I think James came to USA in 1840. Aaron Marchbanks Winfield Technology Corporation aaronm@winfieldtech.com

All right. I give. My focus was in another direction but, since I'm receiving so much info, I can't ignore it. Thank you James Green for e-mailing and drawing me in. 1st - I go by the name Andy Davis and I'm from Rolla, Missouri. If anyone has queries in the Phelps, Maries, Crawford, Dent, Pulaski, or Texas Counties of Missouri, I'll take a shot at them. I'm slow but I do look. 2nd - My MARCHBANK, that's singular becuasue I haven't been very lucky in finding much. Here's what I have on him. His name is Adam MARCHBANK and he married my GrGrGrand Aunt Margaret CAMPBELL on December 23, 1867 in Kings, New Brunswick, Canada. That's it. I take the CAMPBELL line back another two generations, but MARCHBANK stops here. 3rd - I was brousing Ancestry.com and one of their free 10 day searches and found the following, besides my MARCHBANK: Adam MARCHBANK, wife Dinnah had the following children all born in Upham, Kings, NB Geroge MARCHBANK - 1839 James MARCHBANK - 1829 John MARCHBANK - 1834 Sarah MARCHBANK - 1848 I don't believe that this Adam and my Adam are the same person; however, I haven't disproved in either. That's where I'm working today. Thanks to everyone, especially James, for dragging me in. Always looking for new cousins. Andy Davis 1306 Sycamore Drive Rolla, Missouri, USA 65401

In the contex of Americian Political History a confederation is a body of independent states bound together for a joint action as was the first union created after the Americian Revolution it was established under The Articles of Confederation. So a confederation and a confederacy are both sort of leagues that do not have as tight a bonding as a union implies. All of which Is probably more than anybody wanted to know anyway. Happy Second of July which was the day that most of the people who signed The Decoration signed . Jerry O.

The "con" part is a Latin prefix which can mean "against" but more commonly "with" as in associations. Incidentally, in U.K. English a confederacy tends to mean specifically a plot or conspiracy :-)! What pitfalls different versions of the same language can open up for us. Roger

James: Con does sometimes mean against, an abbreviation of contra, as in pro and con. But, in the case of confederation, it is the Latin prefix con, meaning with or together. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

On Sat, 1 Jul 00 10:20:19 -0400 Robert Marjoribanks <mjbnks@sympatico.ca> writes: >This is Canada Day -- the 133rd anniversary of the >confederation of British North America. >We take the occasion to wish all our American >cousins a Happy Fourth! >Bob Marjoribanks Happy anniversary from our Confederacy. Why is yours called a Con-federation? Con means against so what federation is it against? Or am I wrong? -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.