For those of you who were asking, Dalgliesh, the tartan-manufacturer, does not haver an e-mail address. They do have a fax number: 01750-20502. The telphone number is 01750-20781. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

I extracted these from the Mormom Immigration Index. Included is some details of the ship Hope these help Sheila I Hale MARSHBANK, James <1824> Constitution 1868 Age: 44 Note: BMR, p.358 MARSHBANK, Mary A. <1827> Constitution 1868 Age: 41 MARSHBANK, George <1850> Constitution 1868 Age: 18 MARSHBANK, Edwin <1857> Constitution 1868 Age: 11 MARSHBANK, John <1861> Constitution 1868 Age: 7 MARSHBANK, Julia <1865> Constitution 1868 Age: 3 Ship: Constitution Date of Departure: 24 Jun 1868 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England LDS Immigrants: 457 Church Leader: Harvey H. Cluff Date of Arrival: 6 Aug 1868 Port of Arrival: New York, New York Source(s): BMR, Book #1048, pp. 333-372; BMR, Book #1049, various pages (FHL #025,692); Customs #840 (FHL #175,655) Notes: "DEPARTURES. . . . The ship Constitution, which was engaged in consequence of the non-arrival of the Resolute, sailed for New York on the 24th, having on board a company of Saints numbering 457 persons, 45 of whom were from Switzerland, Bavaria, Wurtemburg, and the Netherlands, and 412 from the British Isles. The following named returning missionaries took their departure in the Constitution: -- Elders Joseph S. Horne and John Hoagland, from the Swiss and German Mission, and Elders Harvey H. Cluff, C. P. Liston, Hyrum T. Spencer, and Nephi R. Fawcett, from the British Mission; also Elder Hugentobler, who has been laboring in the ministry in Switzerland, and Elder Van Stetter, who has been laboring in the Netherlands. At a meeting held on deck, President F. [Franklin] D. Richards delivered an address to the Saints, instructing them upon their duties to God and each other upon their journey both by sea and land, and promising them, on conditions of faithfulness, a quick and safe passage across the deep. He then appointed Elder Harvey H. Cluff president of the company, and Elders Joseph S. Horne and C. P. Liston his counsellors. Elder Horne interpreted his remarks for the benefit of the Swiss and German Saints, and the whole company voted unanimously to sustain the appointments. Everything on board the Constitution was neat and in good order, and the Saints departed in excellent spirits. . . ." <MS, 30:27 (July 4, 1868) p.426> "Wed. 24. [June 1868] -- The packet ship Constitution, the last sailing vessel which brought any large company of Saints across the Atlantic, sailed from Liverpool, England, with 457 British, Swiss and German Saints, in charge of Harvey H. Cluff. It arrived at New York Aug. 5th, and the immigrants continued by rail to Benton." <CC, p.78>

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Marjoribankses, If any of this below is of interest, email the people below. I doubt they are subscribed, so you may also want to invite them to subscribe, IF they say they have M'banks ancestry. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MESSEAR <messear@edelsoft.net> To: <jameswgreen@juno.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:23:41 +500 Subject: MESSEAR Results on 10-23-2000 19:34:19 From: "Trish Carden" <G-ma@home.com> Subject: Re: [TN-UP-CUMB] Draper Connection/Cornwells/Robinsons Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:46:41 -0500 To: TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com --------------------------------------------------- Found: |marchbank --------------------------------------------------- MESSEAR ver. 2.09agh www.edelsoft.net/messear Karen, I have the book "Draper Families in America". It mentions 3 different Brice M. Drapers. 1. Brice Mathias Draper born March 16, 1806 Salt Lick died Sept 16, 1845. Son of Thomas Draper Jr 1768-1840 from South Carolina -->2. Brice Marchbanks Draper born Feb 23, 1862 -------------^^^^^^^^^ near Algood Tenn. died Nov 1933 married Mary Raines. Her was the son of Edward Bradley Draper 1804-1888 from near Baghdad Tenn. -->3. Brice Marchbanks Draper Jr. born Jan 19, -------------^^^^^^^^^ 1908 Memphis Tenn. married Annie Elizabeth Gilliland. If one of these is yours I can send you more information on him. Trisha Carden Nashville, TN G-ma@home.com http://www.tcarden.com/tree/ensor/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lold615" <Lold615@email.msn.com> To: <TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: [TN-UP-CUMB] Draper Connection/Cornwells/Robinsons > Trish, > I lost your email address, but the Draper >connection I have is Brice M. Draper married >Artemissa Robinson and according to Cal's Column >went to White Co, Illinois, but someone told me >that they were in Randolph Co, Arkansas in the >1850 or 1860 census. Do you know if the Drapers >were also from VA? It seems like the Drapers, >Cornwells, and Robinsons intermarried and lived >close together as well as worshipped together at >the Church of Christ in Bagdad. I was wondering if >they might have migrated together. I have no idea >what part of VA my Robinsons migrated from. If you >have any ideas please let me know. > Thanks, Karen > ==== TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== ==== TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== From: "Lold615" <Lold615@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: [TN-UP-CUMB] Draper Connection/Cornwells/Robinsons <<<===--- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:45:16 -0500 To: TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com ----------v Found: |marchbank ----------^ MESSEAR ver. 2.09agh www.edelsoft.net/messear Thanks Trish. I assume it is probably the first Brice. I know that he married Artemissa Robinson who born ca 1832 and the reportedly moved to White Co, Illimois. Thanks again, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish Carden" <G-ma@home.com> To: <TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [TN-UP-CUMB] Draper Connection/Cornwells/Robinsons > Karen, > > I have the book "Draper Families in America". It >mentions 3 different Brice M. Drapers. > >1. Brice Mathias Draper born March 16, 1806 Salt >Lick died Sept 16, 1845. > Son of Thomas Draper Jr 1768-1840 from South >Carolina > -->> 2. Brice Marchbanks Draper born Feb 23, 1862 ---------------^^^^^^^^^ >near Algood Tenn. died Nov 1933 married Mary >Raines. Her was the son of Edward Bradley Draper >1804-1888 from near Baghdad Tenn. > -->> 3. Brice Marchbanks Draper Jr. born Jan 19, ---------------^^^^^^^^^ >1908 Memphis Tenn. married Annie Elizabeth >Gilliland. > > If one of these is yours I can send you more >information on him. > > Trisha Carden > Nashville, TN > G-ma@home.com > http://www.tcarden.com/tree/ensor/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lold615" <Lold615@email.msn.com> > To: <TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:36 PM > Subject: [TN-UP-CUMB] Draper Connection/Cornwells/Robinsons > > > Trish, > > I lost your email address, but the Draper > > connection I have is Brice M. Draper married > > Artemissa Robinson and according to Cal's > > Column went to White Co, Illinois, but someone > > told me that they were in Randolph Co, Arkansas > > in the 1850 or 1860 census. Do you know if the > > Drapers were also from VA? It seems like the > > Drapers, Cornwells, and Robinsons intermarried > > and lived close together as well as worshipped > > together at the Church of Christ in Bagdad. I > > was wondering if they might have migrated > > together. I have no idea what part of VA my > > Robinsons migrated from. If you have any ideas > > please let me know. > > Thanks, Karen > > ==== TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > ==== TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== ==== TN-UPPER-CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== 2 messages found for you after searching 635 messages. ---------------------------------------------------- MESSEAR search results are sent to you because you subscribed to the MESSEAR system. If you wish to unsubscribe, go to http://www.edelsoft.net/messear/unsubscr.htm You may change any of your settings at http://www.edelsoft.net/messear/chgset.htm Additional search phrases may be added or phrases may be deleted. Just remember to press the submit button for the changes to take effect. 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Marjoribankses, Maybe it would be useful to generate some family pride by asking who is the 1st in such and such line to buy a kilt of the new tartan or the first child or adult of a state to buy a kilt of the new tartan. Or who is the first person to make a flag of the new tartan. The firsts are unlimited since you can add qualifiers like those. On the page below I hype the 1st dog to don the new tartan. If you have a first, tell the list. It could be the 1st turtle in your state to don the tartan if someone else beats you to having the 1st turtle in the world or USA . Anything! Make a claim & see if anyone says they did it earlier. If so, add a qualifier. Remember to tell the list. I wonder how many yards have been sold. 30? Most people call a piece of tartan flown as a flag, a banner, but the USA flag is called, the Star Spangled banner, so are all flags, banners? I call a piece of wool tartan flown as a flag, a flag. If you make a flag, you'll be ready to march in the parade at your local Scottish Games, even without a kilt. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:22:58 -0400 "Brad Hull" <bnh@campana.com> writes: >Hi James, > >I was wondering if the picture I sent you of >Duoghal (golden retriever wearing a Marjoribanks >tartan bandana) has been added to any of the >Marjoribanks web sites yet? If so, could you send >me the URL so that I could see it? >Thanks! >Brad Sorry Brad, so I just added the photo. It is on 2 pages: http://Genealogy.Org/~green/Mbanks/dogs.html duplicated at: http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen/Mbanks/dogs.html and http://Genealogy.Org/~green/Mbanks/merch.html duplicated at: http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen/Mbanks/merch.html If you only want to send "the golden retriever owners' Internet mailing list" one url per page, send the Fortune City one. The Genealogy.Org pages are slated to disappear anytime now. In the dog's name, Kyon's the Fantastic Duoghal, who is Kyon & what is the derivation of Kyon & Duoghal? -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen working on: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Just a reminder that I'm away until Friday 22 Sept., so will not be answering messages, however urgent! Roger

Subject: Fw: MARCHBANKS/BATSON Sent: 9/6/20 2:33 PM Received: 9/8/00 2:30 PM From: Jim McDonald, jim91429@email.msn.com To: Robert Marjoribanks, mjbnks@sympatico.ca 9-8-2000 Jim McDonald received this information from Sharie Batson, a cousin he discovered on the internet when reading some Marchbanks data. He says the report provided some data about Samuel that others may not have All the best.....Jim -----Original Message----- From: BATSON532@aol.com <BATSON532@aol.com> To: jim91429@email.msn.com <jim91429@email.msn.com> Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: Re: MARCHBANKS/BATSON >SAMUEL STEPHEN MARCHBANKS: > Samuel Stephen Marchbanks was the second child of Stephen Perry >Marchbanks and Rachel Rebecca Jones and their second son. He was born on >November 10, 1826 in Spartanburg County, South Carolina. > Very little information has been found on Samuel S. Marchbanks prior to >his enlistment in the Confederate Army on March 24, 1862 in the Greenville >District. > The 1850 and 1860 Federal Census of Greenville County, South Carolina and >the State Census does not list him as being at home with his parents or as >head of a household. Other state census records were checked with nothing >found. > >The following information was abstracted from the Confederate Army Records >at The South Carolina Department of Archives and History, Columbia, SC: >Samuel S. Marchbanks 33 years old >Enlisted: March 24, 1862 in the Greenville District by Captain W. H. Campbell >to >serve for the war. >Private: Company H 3rd Palmetto Battalion, South Carolina Light Artillery >under >Captain T. A. Holtzclaw, South Carolina Volunteers. >This company was active in the Charleston, South Carolina area and was >detached at "Dills Bluff" South Carolina, according to the Muster Rolls dated >July 1863 until 1864. >The company in which he served shows: Muster Rolls of Officers and Men >paroled in accordance with the terms of a Military Convention entered into on >the >26th day of April 1865 between General Joseph E. Johnston, Commanding >Confederate Army and Major W. T. Sherman, Commanding United States Army in >North Carolina. >Roll dated April 29, 1865 Greensboro, North Carolina. >Paroled at High Point, North Carolina May 2, 1865. > > Samuel S. Marchbanks would have married sometime prior to December 1862 >to Lucinda C., who was born November 17, 1822. > In a letter dated January 19, 1863 to Captain W. H. Campbell, West Lines, >James Island, South Carolina, Stephen P. Marchbanks notified Captain Campbell >that the only child of Samuel S. Marchbanks had died within the past five >weeks. > After his discharge from the army on May 2, 1865, he joined Reedy River >Baptist Church August 31, 1865 by experience and he remained on the same >church rolls until his death. Lucinda C. Marchbanks had joined the same >church by experience October 23, 1860. > >1870 Federal Census of Greenville County: >S. S. Marchbanks, 41 years old >Lucinda 37 years old >Harriett 6 years old >Aletha 3 years old > >1880 Census lists: >Samuel S. Marchbanks 51 years old >Lucinda 48 years old >Leatha 13 years old >Dorinda 10 years old >Josephine 6 years old > > The will of Samuel S. Marchbanks dated May 18, 1903 and recorded in Will >Packet 74 6, Greenville County Courthouse Probate Judge's office, he names >his wife, Lucinda Marchbanks and his four daughters, Harriet L. Wilbanks, >Aletha P. Hill, Dorinda D. Barton and Josephine E. Moody. Before the final >settlement of the estate after his death on September 21, 1903, his daughter >Aletha P. Hill died December 28, 1903. In the estate settlement it mentions >that Aletha P. Hill's children were to receive their mother's share of the >estate. They were, Harvey J. Hill, Stella Smith, Elsa Simpson, Persia Hill, >Noette Hill and Theresa Hill. Lucinda C. Marchbanks, wife of Samuel Stephen >Marchbanks died April 20, 1908 and they are both buried in the church yard at >Reedy River Baptist Church. > >blessings, >sharie

On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:30:18 -0400 Roger Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >James, >... >"dative" simply means in origin "given" or "to do >with giving," so grammatically indicates the >aspect of one person or thing giving to another >person or thing. As I recall in grammar the other cases besides dative were accusative or genitive? I do not think cases were emphasized in English class because English lost the various ending of Anglo Saxon & when we got to German class the endings weren't lost but they expected us to have learned the cases in English class. I need an example of each case to understand "giving". This would help me remember testament dative each day as I think what the cases are when I use the cases daily in routine talking & how the dative case relates to the meaning of testaments dative. You other teachers could answer if you like. I bet others have also forgotten cases. >In Scottish law of inheritance a "testament >dative" is little more than an inventory, legally >drawn up, showing the property to be divided >between the legal heirs (and also the debts owing >by the estate) Your American colonies' wills do no more. It says something like: I John Doe this the 25 day of May 1750 do give my soul to God, my body to the earth from whence it came, and after my just debts are paid I give to my son John 100 acres called the Smith Place a the Negro man Fred, & give to my daughter Jane the 150 tract I got from Harry Jones & the red mare, and to my wife Mary I leave the home place of 100 acres & all the rest of the slaves for her lifetime and afterward ... and I appoint my son John & wife Mary as my executor & executrix. Here is a real will from the NC Colony of British America: http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen/Bras/bastard.html We have an inventory & appraisement of movable property (personal property?) in the estate packet & a record of the estate sale. Repeating your words, you say, "a 'testament dative' is little more than an inventory, legally drawn up, showing the property to be divided between the legal heirs" Just shows the property to be divided & not who gets what? Our wills show how the property is to be divided between the heirs or more precisely stated it says who gets what. Our inventory & appraisement shows what is to be sold, rather than what is "to be divided between the legal heirs" (as you said). If an heir wants something not bequeathed in the will, then he has to buy it (like everyone else) at the estate sale. As I write this I find have not looked at the estate packets close enough to be as precise as I would like. I think I need to put Sam Banks' estate packet on the web so we have an 1851 example. George's VA estate papers (being earlier) would be more interesting. For me to understand your words, I guess we would need to see an example of a British or Scotch estate acket. I know papers get removed & lost from the packets. >when the legator died intestate; Why is the deceased called the legator? Dictionary says legator is a testator, but if he died intestate (without making a will) he's not a testator. Dictionary says testator is one who makes & leaves a legally valid will or testament at death. I had to stop & look up testament. Dictionary says in law it is a will. So, Last will & testament is redundant like our deeds' phrase: "grant, bargain, sell, and release" is redundant. I guess redundancy is the MO (method of operation) of lawyers. >a "testament testamentar" was one drawn up by, or >at least acknowledged by, the legator in his/her >lifetime. I think I get it. Testament dative is an inventory. It resembles a will only in its name: testament. Testament testamentar is a Testament (will) by the testator (the man making this instrument to divide his property after his death) and that is what (who) the adjective testamentar refers to. Testament Dative is dated (old & too late) & passed to others to try to do what the deceased failed to do. It is step one of devising the property, namely making an inventory. I suppose all is then sold including land and the money is divided among the heirs according to the current law. >The testament I referred to, I think, referred to >the widow of the tenant of Marchbank Farm, In America, we would not state in a will more than the county & state of residence at death, e.g. "I William Carver of Cumberland County in the Province of North Carolina". In America tenant means renter. Does tenant may mean some other kind of land tenure (land holding) in Scotland. If a renter, then rented property would not be able to be bequeathed & I find it odd they even bother to mentioned where she happened to be renting (living). >where both one of the children and also the >"cautioner" (usually a close relative, appointed >to see that the terms of the will were carried >out) were named Samuel Marjoribanks Since we have been talking of dative, I guess this is one of those postmortem inventories you all are calling a will. So the cautioner sounds like a guardian which also in America used to be a close relative. So this testament dative is what the court-appointed administrators wrote up (no they are merely following probate law for intestate administrations). In the packet I have never seen that the administrators wrote up a plan like a will for administering or dividing the estate. I guess under the law it could not deviate & so was pointless to write up. Boy! it would be real simple in the time of primogeniture. Just give what is left to the eldest son when you get through raising his siblings. The Guardians (cautioners) submit their bills to the administrators. The administrators are 2 heirs or relatives who were 1st to ask the Judge of probate (Ordinary) of the county for "Letters of Administration" empowering them to take inventory & appraisement & hold a sale & pay debts & keep an account until the estate is closed (last heir is an adult). >and I suggested that the dates fitted with the >possibility that one of them, probably the son, >could have been your original ancestor Samuel - >but this is no more than an educated guess. Can you type up this testament dative and email it to me for the web? I'd like to see the wording of one of these anyway. Can we get a photocopy some day to put on the web? Are there other papers in the estate packet? You all do have estate packets? If not you surely record each record type in a separate book? We did both. There is no rush. I am working on a reunion for the next few days, then I have several other things I have not done, like putting the latest journal & an earlier journal on the web & a dog on the web & probably more that I've forgotten. >I don't know nearly enough about Scots law to >distinguish accurately between different types of >tenure, I'm afraid. ok >Roger -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen working on: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

James, You do seem to have been mining deep into your past correspondence :-). "dative" simply means in origin "given" or "to do with giving," so grammatically indicates the aspect of one person or thing giving to another person or thing. In Scottish law of inheritance a "testament dative" is little more than an inventory, legally drawn up, showing the property to be divided between the legal heirs (and also the debts owing by the estate) when the legator died intestate; a "testament testamentar" was one drawn up by, or at least acknowledged by, the legator in his/her lifetime. The testament I referred to, I think, referred to the widow of the tenant of Marchbank Farm, where both one of the children and also the "cautioner" (usually a close relative, appointed to see that the terms of the will were carried out) were named Samuel Marjoribanks and I suggested that the dates fitted with the possibility that one of them, probably the son, could have been your original ancestor Samuel - but this is no more than an educated guess. I don't know nearly enough about Scots law to distinguish accurately between different types of tenure, I'm afraid. Roger

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:22:18 -0400 "R.J.Marjoribanks" <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> writes: >James, > >Yes, your interpretation of Testaments dative is >near enough right - Remind me what dative means. I do not even know what the "dative case" means in English, French or German grammar. And, why is a Testament called dative? >but again tended only to be drawn up when there >was fairly substantial property involved. I am guessing that any freeholder of land would have a will unless death or senility slipped up & nailed him before he had a chance? You could also tell us the various levels of land tenure for the 1600s & 1700s, e.g. freehold, copyhold. Does primogeniture only affect the intestate? That is, is it only an intestate law. I heard it was abolished in the USA in 1790. Has it been abolished in the UK? I bet inheritance laws are not national in America so the abolition of primogeniture may not be as simple as a single date in the USA. Bill, Jerry, others, comments? >There was a testament dative for the widow of John >Marjoribanks of Marchbank in the 1660s which may >(only may) give a clue to the origins of the Sam >branch - I believe I mentioned it in my account. Well I guess this explains why I never filed this letter & it is still in my inbox to be answered. Methinks it would be right Jim Dandy to have that on the web. Can you help with that? The rest of you Sams need to get on the band wagon & respond when Roger offers us a pearl. I cannot pick up all the pearls he shows us. Admittedly Roger only indicates he has an oyster & it may have a pearl inside, so I will rephrase & ask your help in opening & processing the oysters we are offered. This means encouraging Roger to open the oyster to see if it is a pearl for Sam. Our list's archives has oysters strewn along its beaches & they will have deteriorated to nothing when Roger is gone since only Roger knows what he was talking about so only he can open the oysters he finds & mentions. >Roger. -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen working on: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Sheila & any others interested, I've received this answer from Meta-Ann Hudson, Roger -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "Meta-Anne Hudson", INTERNET:mhud@effect.net.au To: "Roger Marjoribanks", Rogmarj Date: 02/09/00 09:32 PM RE: Re: [Fwd: Brockie & Sandilands Marchbank] Hi Roger, Unfortunately, I know nothing of this family in connection with my Sandilands. However, in the IGI if found another daughter of this couple. Marion SANDYLANDS Sex: F Event(s): Christening: 18 Aug 1806 Stow, Midlothian, Scotland Parents: Father: Alexander SANDYLANDS Mother: Jean MARCHBANKS Source Information: Batch number: 7029623 Sheet: 37 and the following 3 children where the mother's name is actually Jane/Jean MARJORIBANKS Father: Alexander Sandilands, Mother: Jane Marjoribanks Exact Spelling: Off [refine search] Results: All Sources (3 matches) 1. Betty SANDILANDS - International Genealogical Index/BI Gender: F Christening: 5 Jan 1801 Heriot, Midlothian, Scotland Batch 6930478 Sheet: 94 (Presumedly Betty who married David BROCKIE 1826 in Stow.) 2. David SANDILANDS - International Genealogical Index/BI Gender: M Christening: 29 Nov 1812 Stow, Midlothian, Scotland Batch 7029623 Sheet: 35 3. John SANDILANDS - International Genealogical Index/BI Gender: M Christening: 21 Aug 1816 Stow, Midlothian, Scotland Batch 7029623 Sheet: 35 Jean/Jane Marchbanks/Marjoribanks could be either of the following: Jean MARCHBANK Sex: F Event(s): Christening: 21 Jul 1782 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland Parents: Father: John MARCHBANK Mother: Source Information: Batch number: C118382 JEAN MARJORIBANKS Sex: F Event(s): Christening: 27 Dec 1782 Eccles, Berwick, Scotland Parents: Father: JOHN MARJORIBANKS Mother: CHARLOTTE FERRER Source Information: Batch number: C117372 Cannot find who Alexander SANDILANDS was. The name David SANDILANDS (one of the children's names and possibly the name of Alexander SANDILANDS' father) appears in the SANDILANDS line of the Earls Abercrombie but not enough information to go on from here. Cheers for now, Meta-Anne Hudson xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit Telopea Swimming Club's website http://www.telopeaswimclub.org.au xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Marjoribanks <Rogmarj@compuserve.com> To: Meta-Ann Hudson <mhud@effect.net.au> Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2000 5:13:AM Subject: [Fwd: Brockie & Sandilands Marchbank] Hi, Meta-Ann. Does this message re Alexander Sandilands ring any bells? Roger -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:cshale@home.com, INTERNET:cshale@home.com To: [unknown], INTERNET:MARJORIBANKS-L@rootsweb.com Date: 01/09/00 02:07 PM RE: [Fwd: Brockie & Sandilands Marchbank] Can anyone help Ann? Sheila I Hale -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Brockie & Sandilands Marchbank Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:41:57 -0700 Resent-From: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:39:19 +0100 From: "Ian Hume" <xgl04@dial.pipex.com> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Its a long time since I posted this brick wall Alexander SANDILANDS married Jane MARCHBANK.They had daughter Betty who married David BROCKIE 1826 in Stow. 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Can anyone help Ann? Sheila I Hale -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Brockie & Sandilands Marchbank Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:41:57 -0700 Resent-From: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:39:19 +0100 From: "Ian Hume" <xgl04@dial.pipex.com> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Its a long time since I posted this brick wall Alexander SANDILANDS married Jane MARCHBANK.They had daughter Betty who married David BROCKIE 1826 in Stow. Thanks Ann ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

For those of you with Alabama roots you will be happy to know that Jim Stokes ,a decendent of Burrell and Joshua Bailey, and other members of the S.C.V. Moscow Chapter have restored the history monument marking the site of the !6th Alabama's muster field.If I recall correctly J.B. was an officer in that unit. Jerry O.

Brad Hull, a breeder of Golden Retrievers, has e-mailed me a beautiful photograph of his dog Doughal, wearing a scarf (or bandana) in the new Marjoribanks tartan in honour of Sir Dudley, the founder of the breed. He says he is going to try to get it posted on the web site www.golden-retriever.com I wonder if James could arrange to have it posted on his site? Brad's address is <<bnh@campana.com>> Best regards Bob Marjoribanks

I'm back at my desk again, and at your service, after a very enjoyable two-week holiday in British Columbia. There were 40 e-mail messages waiting for me and I will try to deal with them all in the next few days. The Marjoribanks Journal No. 6 has just been published and copies are available, on request, without charge, to members in good standing of The Marjoribanks Family organization. Issue No. 6 contains articles about: Marjoribanks houses, from, humble farm houses to virtual palaces, occupied by our ancestors over the years; Archibald Marjoribanks's life on the Rocking Chair Ranch in Texas, based on letters written to the directors in London; an explanation of the new Marjoribanks tartan; and the visit to America by Alexander Marjoribanks of that Ilk in the 1850s , as described in his book. During our visit to British Columbia, Nancy and I had lunch at Guisachan House in Kelowna with William Marjoribanks of Armstrong BC and his wife Mary Rose and Ursula Surtees, the former director of the Kelowna Museum. Ursula's husband, John, was the son of Ishbel Agnes Marjoribanks, the daughter of of Ishbel Maria Marjoribanks, the Marchioness of Aberdeen. Guisachan House, now a charming and elegant restaurant, set in a beautiful garden, was once the Aberdeen's Canadian ranch house. It was named after Lady Aberdeen's father's shooting estate in Scotland. Best regards, Bob Marjoribanks

> Further to my last, it is very odd that both in the 1881 census and at his > marriage Robert understates his age by some 4/5 years - he was 32/3, not 28 > (aged 2 at the 1851 census). It is also a bit odd that his mother in the > census is described as 82 - in 1851 she was 48. Although the > identification is by no means certain, I think (from the gravestone list > supplied by Sheila some time ago - you see how useful these things are, > Sheila!) that William died aged about 85 in 1860 & was buried in KPJ - that > is the recorded burial of a William M. on what appears to be a Swinefoot > grave. Statements of age, of course, have to be treated with considerable > reservations in the days before compulsory registration, but a five year > error does seem a bit peculiar! You have to remember census information is only as good as the person supplying info at the door. I was listening to my daughter the other day supplying Census information to the Census taker. Some ancestor 100 years from now, would not have been amused by some of her answers if I had not been there to correct her everytime she "Wandered from reality". I have one family where they could not even get the country of birth right let alone the age. I had to search for them on 3 seperate Census before I finally figured out where the guy was born. I have one gg-Aunt in TX who aged 8 years in 10 over a period of 40 years in Census records and then suddenly aged 50 years in 30 to die at the supposed age of 100, she was actually 92. People can be fairly strange about admitting their age sometimes. A point about Robert(are you sure it was the same one). Maybe the first one died and there was a 'replacement' Robert?? As to the accuracy of the Gilchrist MI's. I have one contact for my Beattie families where there are 5 mistakes in one MI for her family. They are not without error. My thoughts for the day. Sheila

Further to my last, it is very odd that both in the 1881 census and at his marriage Robert understates his age by some 4/5 years - he was 32/3, not 28 (aged 2 at the 1851 census). It is also a bit odd that his mother in the census is described as 82 - in 1851 she was 48. Although the identification is by no means certain, I think (from the gravestone list supplied by Sheila some time ago - you see how useful these things are, Sheila!) that William died aged about 85 in 1860 & was buried in KPJ - that is the recorded burial of a William M. on what appears to be a Swinefoot grave. Statements of age, of course, have to be treated with considerable reservations in the days before compulsory registration, but a five year error does seem a bit peculiar! I'm just off to see if I can find anything on the 1891 census. Later:- it is clear that the family had by 1891 moved to England - there is no possible record on the Scottish 1891 census which could refer to them. It is possible that they moved before the children began to come along (1884 & 1889) since I can find no record of them, but equally I havn't yet traced them in England and registration, though compulsory, was sometimes evaded - e.g. in the case of the Queen Mother! On the other hand, we know that by the mid-1890's Jessie and the children at least had moved back to Scotland and were living at Broxburn in West Lothian. It is presumed that Robert had died and that Jessie moved back to be near her own people (Broxburn is quite close to Kirkliston). It is much more difficult to search the English censuses for 1891 - I do not believe that they have been comprehensively indexed - but I will see what I can do. Roger

I have this morning received the marriage certificate of Robert Marchbank (he signed as that rather than Marjoribanks) with Jessie Walker on 3 June 1881. He is described as Railway Stoker, Bachelor, 28, of 3 Washington Place, Coates, Edinburgh, his father being William Marchbank, Farmer (deceased) and his mother as Mary Marchbank, nee Easton (I'm fairly sure this is mis-spelled). Jessie id described as Domestic Servant, Spinster, 21, of the same address, her father being John Walker, Farm Servant, and her mother Elizabeth Walker, nee Aitken. They were married according to the rites of the Established Church of Scotland at Broom House, Kirkliston (presumably Jessie's home parish) by William Johnston, Minister of the parish of Uphall. If any of the descendants of Robert and Jessie would like a copy of this certificate I will gladly send one to them. I shall write to Jack at Cessnock but perhaps when he has time Bob could pass this on to others on his address list. Roger

Marjoribankses (esp. Sams), Tonight I added 2 group photos that I took at the 1976 Banks Weir Reunion in northern Fairfield Co. SC. They are at the top of the Past Gatherings web page: http://Genealogy.Org/~green/Mbanks/gatherp.html duplicated at: http://members.fortunecity.com/jgreen/Mbanks/gatherp.html -- James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

7-22-2000 Terrry Markham writes on 6-1-2000 that he is descended from the Tennessee Marchbanks. I was told of a document indicating that Joel Marchbanks was grandson of George, but it didn't indicate from which son of George. Anyhting you might have on them I would appreciate. Here is my line back to George> Terry Markham b. 1966 Carolyn Jones b. 1935 David Floyd Jones b. 1905 d. 1982 Martha Cole b. 1886 d. 1925 Joseph J Cole b. 5-8-1862 d. 8-31-1931 in Benton or Carrol Co., TN Eliza Marchbanks b. bet. 1835-1840 in TN Reuben J. Marchbanks b. 1799 in NC Joel Marchbanks b. in NC d. in Hickman or Humphreys Co., TN Son of George Marchbanks George Marchbanks b. abt. 1700 in Scotland d. 28 Oct. 1740. His e mail is terrymarkham@yahoo.com if anyone can help him with Joel. All the best......Jim McDonald