Dear Listers: Whether you are brand new to genealogy or have been afflicted with the disease for 40 years, it seems that we all get befuddled at times trying to figure out how to describe our relationships. You know, "are you 1st cousins, once removed or is that a second cousin?" Someone on one of my other lists just posed the question of how to understand that she was the 8th cousin, 4 times removed from someone that she is in contact with. That is pretty mind boggling. They are of the 10th and 14th generation of the common ancestor. There was a good response that also pointed us to a website with a great chart to calculate relationships: http://www.grl.com/grl/relationship.shtml I would suggest everyone visit the site and print the chart. It belongs in your research hints binder! Happy Trails, Lauren List Admin