That seems to be a problem with all the groups, including the ones here. Sandy and I are going to the Root Cellar seminar tomorrow (the Sac group), the big seminar they put on every year and they get a pretty good turnout. They have a huge raffle that brings in the bucks - remember the wreaths that woman made that MCGS used to raffle? The topic is how to research on Google. JoyLehmann@aol.com