The Marin County Genealogical Society's Computer Interest Group (CIG) will meet Thursday, November 13, 2003 from 1:00 pm to 3:00 pm at Hamilton Field. Please note the date has been moved due to a schedule conflict at MCF with another group that had previously been scheduled for 11/20/03. Our topic will be: RootsMagic Genealogy Software presented by Gene Pennington Location: Marin Community Foundation, Hanger 5, 2nd Floor Suite 200, Hamilton Field, Novato (Hanger Row is at end of main road into Hamilton Field). For map and directions, go to --> http://www.marincf.org/contact/map.html . This facility has a high speed broadband connection to the Internet for us to use as well as a wireless and a wired network for us to connect to during our meeting. Remember, this is a "hands on" presentation. We want YOU to work on your laptop as the presentation is made. So, bring your laptop computers, a wireless network card or a network card and cable so you can work along with me as I give my presentation. If you don't have a wireless network card or a network card and cable, don't worry. The great staff at MCF have some cards we can use. If you don't have the RootsMagic software but would like to try it, go to --> http://www.rootsmagic.com/ and you can download a free demo version. Bring your questions so we can help you make the most of your RootsMagic software for use with your genealogy research! Contact John Deadman ([email protected]) or Gene Pennington ([email protected]) if you need directions to meeting location or need more information. These meetings are free to the public. Visit the MCGS website at http://www.maringensoc.org/sigs.html . Remember there is NO meeting in December. Happy Holidays! End

If anyone is researching Australia -- Victoria primarily - here is a resource that was given to me. I have others, if you are interested. Another web site of interest thanks to Terry Foenander is the deaths that > occurred in the Melbourne hospital (as published in the newspapers of the > time) between 1867-1880 are available online > (http://hub.dataline.net.au/~tfoen/meldeath.html). There are also some > entries for the Alfred Hospital available. Kathy Devlin

In my quest to buy microfilms of old newspapers, I ended up at ProQuest, which is apparently the new parent company for what was once Bell & Howell. I was referred to this online index and ended up looking at the dissertations that can be viewed. I did a search for genealogy and got all kinds of interesting topics, including one on American Indians. http://www.il.proquest.com/ad-indivresearch.shtml http://wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations/ http://wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations/search

Hello List - do any of you know if Marin local libraries have these two references of microfilmed old newspapers from around the USA and if so, which of our libraries will do inter-library exchange out of the state for films: Newspapers in Microform, published by the Library of Congress OCLC Serials Control System in the Union List Mode (most papers are NEPU union group) Thanks, Kathy

Hi All: Just a reminder -- tonight is the night to set your clocks back one hour in the USA, if your area observes Daylight Savings Time. We now return to Standard time. Lauren List Admin

Hi Kate, Following are the Morans listed in the Marin County Index to Deaths; as you may know, it was not required by the state until 1905 that these be reported. Moran, Ellen - Oct. 31, 1895 Moran, Thresa - Apr. 4, 1911 Moran, Mary J. - Jan. 22, 1915 Moran, Robert J. - Dec. 24, 1915 Moran, Frank J. - Oct. 26, 1918 Moran, Peter - Oct. 27, 1920 The death certificate for Peter Moran who died 1920 says that he was the son of Nicholas Moran; mother's name not given in the record. He was 80 years old and widowed; born in Ireland. Cathy Marin Co., CA Genealogical Society http://www.maringensoc.org http://www.cagenweb.com/~marin

I'm very interested in the elder Peter Moran referenced in this obit as a sibling to my Julia Moran from Collinstown, Westmeath. Is the name famililar to anyone? Perhaps this is him in the 1870/80 census below? Thanks so much, Kate in Chicago ************************************************************** The Marin Journal Thursday, June 2, 1910 page 5 Brevities PETER MORAN, age 36 years, a resident of Santa Marguerita, this county, died on last Saturday of dropsy. The funeral was held from St. Raphael's Church on Monday where a requiem high mass was celebrated for the repose of his soul. Interment was at Mt. Olivet Cemetery. Peter Moran was a nephew of Peter Moran, an old Marin pioneer, a brother of Nick Moran, and a cousin of Mrs. Hummel. Peter MORAN Self M Male W 40 IRE Saloon Keeper IRE IRE Ellen MORAN Wife M Female W 40 IRE Keeping House IRE IRE Nicholas MORAN Son S Male W 11 CA At School IRE IRE Mary MORAN Dau S Female W 10 CA At School IRE IRE Margaret MORAN Dau S Female W 7M CA IRE IRE Tim CALLAHAN Other S Male W 30 IRE Laborer IRE IRE Corina R. CLARK Other S Female W 19 CA School Teacher MD BUENAS AYERS Source Information: Census Place San Rafael, Marin, California Family History Library Film 1254068 NA Film Number T9-0068 Page Number 121C And in 1870: Moran, Peter Birthplace: Ireland State: California Age: 30 County: Marin Gender: Male Township: San Rafael Race: White Post Office: San Rafael Year: 1870 Roll: M593_74 Page: 25 Image: 49 Peter and Ellen are both 30, b IRE, he's a saloon keeper, Nicholas is 1 yro, Mary is an infant, b in March of 1870 and another child, Felix Guerin, 14 yro is living with them.

Pass the Roots, Please By Chuck Elledge [email protected] [Author's Note: To protect my granddaughter and the privacy of my in- law's family, I changed surnames in this article except for my own.] This is just a general discussion topic I want to toss out there -- do you research with an end result in view (writing a family book, etc.) and then plan to pack it all up? Or do you research your family with the hope of passing it on someday to a next-generation researcher? Any idea yet who that will be? A year ago I was in a quandary. My wife had asked me, "When are you going to write the book?" It bothered me. When indeed? I find I love the hunt so much I'm not in that big a hurry to summarize any of my research. Oh, I dash off a report to a family member who calls, suddenly interested for one reason or other, or to answer a query from a possible cousin and my genealogy software program could generate a number of family books on our lines, but her question bothered me. Am I frittering away huge chunks of free time searching for long-gone family that will ultimately end up in a big blue dumpster? Was genealogy nothing more than another type of "ball card collecting" hobby? Let's see, I have a Eugene Tracy, he had a heckuva season in 1876, got elected mayor of Podunk, and he's a family all-star. I got his birth card and his marriage card. All I need to complete the set is his "Tombstone Topper." Whatever your beliefs, I think there has to be a higher power that keeps an eye out for these small crises of doubt, when one wonders if there is any point to some of things held most dear. My answer came in a visit from my granddaughter, Kirstie. She lives a few hours away. She's a young lady now; I realized that the moment she stepped out of her parents' car for a two-week visit this summer. My gosh, another generation nearly grown. That night, after my daughter and son-in-law drove off for their respite from "teen terror" I retreated to my genealogy room to get a bit of research done. That is one nice thing about the kids growing up -- suddenly you have "specialty" rooms. Aimee's (Kirstie's mom) bedroom had become my genealogy room and our dining room table had again become the place we eat dinner without dodging chairs around piles of paper and file boxes. I was engrossed in a census search on Ancestry.com, cussing its stupid indexing under my breath, when I realized Kirstie was standing behind me. Figuring she wanted to play "Teenagers' Dungeon of Doom" or some such thing, I offered her the computer. She sat down, but called me back when I started to leave. "Show me how you do that." When I realized she meant search Ancestry, I showed her how it worked and she started searching for her grandparents on her dad's side. I explained privacy rules and how she'd need to go farther back because her dad's parents were born after 1930. "We're going to have to call your dad and find out his grandparents' names," I explained. I called my son-in-law on their cell phone as they were driving home -- probably scaring the tarnation out of them. I explained the situation and John told me his grandparents were named David and Madeline Bennington--from Loveland, Ohio. He wasn't sure when they were born but I did some calculations and figured they were probably born around the turn of the century -- perfect for my granddaughter's first foray into census research. Five minutes later she found them and was shrieking in delight, as if we just made the highest score in the history of some video game. I don't know how all this happened. Maybe there really is a genealogy gene. It bypassed my daughter (who always thought genealogy's best purpose was keeping dad preoccupied while she raided the refrigerator with one of her always-starving boyfriends) and hit my granddaughter square between the brain cells. It was the best two weeks of my life. Kirstie and I went to the Mid-Continent Library in Independence, Missouri, and I showed her how to search the microfilms and the 'fiche cabinets (she'd get me laughing because she never asked to go with me to the library -- she'd tell her Granma, "Granddad and I are going fiching today") and my gosh, my granddaughter loves books. Thank You! ONE in my family has my love of books. I cheated at first; giving her research assignments I already knew were there but as the days wore on I began giving her a few toughies. She is a dedicated researcher. Younger eyes don't tire nearly as fast. And I forgot how much fun it is to run out of the library at noon and grab a Dairy Queen [soft ice cream]. When it was time for her to go back to her parents it was the first time I didn't joke with Aimee and David that "the nice thing about being a grandparent is you get to send them home when it's time." It was way too soon for me. And now there is a new sign above my computer station. It says simply "The Genealogy Library of Chuck and Dixie Elledge and Kirstie Marie Healey." I don't need to write a book. I've helped create an historian. ................................. Previously published in RootsWeb Review: Vol. 6, No. 42, 15 October 2003.

1d. TIPS FROM READERS. Organizing Genealogy Files on the Computer By Bonnie Kohler [email protected] In addition to my genealogy software, I have a folder named GENEALOGY set up in My Documents. Since My Documents opens up by default when I go to save something, the GENEALOGY folder is easy to locate. Some of the things that I save to my GENEALOGY folder are e-mail, data that I have copied off of the Web, and census indexes and images. Within my GENEALOGY folder, there are folders for every surname that I research. Within a surname folder, I have subfolders that contain a year's worth of my correspondence. In addition, if I receive a lot of correspondence from one person, I have a subfolder with that person's name on it. The subfolders keep me from having to browse myriad files when I search for a particular file. Here is an example of my HOOPPELL surname file: GENEALOGY/Hooppell/2001/2002/2003/Mabel correspondence. ......................... Previously published in RootsWeb Review: Vol. 6, No. 42, 15 October 2003.

Dear CIG Members: I just moments ago received a call from John Deadman to alert me that today's meeting has been cancelled. Gene Pennington, who was to be the presenter is ill. We wish him a speedy recovery and will look forward to seeing him at the next CIG meeting in November. Happy Trails, Lauren List Admin

forwarding for Sue who has not yet posted to the MarinGenSoc list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [CASonoma] El Dorado House Cemetery, El Dorado County, CA Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:48:38 -0600 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:25:23 -0700 From: "Sue Silver" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Greetings, once more, I recently posted a notice of recent obliteration of the El Dorado House Cemetery. The photos of the recent clearing activity do not properly show what those of us who have seen the Bentley-Parmeter family plot at the cemetery, know it to look like. I have posted additional photographs that were taken at a clean up of the Bentley-Parmeter plot in October of 2000. To access the Before and After photos of the clean up day, go to the following link: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/Bentley-Parmeter_Plot_CleanUp.htm (These photos may be slow in loading.) The clean up was sponsored by the El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission. Their website is at www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/eldorado1. Regards, Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/

Dear Listers: This article will be of interest to any doing research in the UK, or think they may in the future. I have only pasted in part of this article... please visit the URL below to read the entire message. Also, you can read comments and suggested form letter in the message posted by Charmaine Andresen to the Ayrshire list by visiting http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AYRSHIRE/2003-10/1065737277 Cheers, Lauren List Admin http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1058101,00.html Censor of births, deaths and marriages Wednesday October 8, 2003 The Guardian Len Cook, the registrar general, seeks to reassure us on ID cards (Letters, October 7) while omitting any reference to the regulatory reform order, civil registration delivering vital change,under-going a "consultation" period and due to go before aparliamentary committee in spring 2004. This issue will not be debated by MPs and is likely to be rubber-stamped by the committee. Yet this order will, at a stroke, remove from the public in England and Wales a large swathe of information to which we have been entitled since 1837, when civil registration began. .......

Dear Listers: You will want to bookmark or save to favorites this URL: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ Rootsweb has instituted a notification system that can be accessed by all viewers with regard to technical or other issues. It has been in use for about a year, but it seems that many are unaware of it. When mail slows down or is non-existant for some of the lists you subscribe to, but not others, or things otherwise seem not working as you are accustomed, this is the first place you should look. There may be a notice that acknowledges an issue and provides information regarding the ***estimated*** time it will take to fix it. If there is no notice, you may want to report new issues to the help desk. http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi If you are simply not receiving mail, you will also want to first check with password central to be sure you are still subscribed to any lists you think you are. You may have bounced off a mailing list, due to full mail box or other reason. http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ As there are several issues at hand currently and as many have been affected by those connected with Lists2, I am pasting the current notices below my signature. Do not count on this notification from me in future. It is best that you actively seek out and review information posted to the help desk page. If you forget how to get there, just click on the link at the top of most every page at Rootsweb marked "HELP" and it will take you there. There is a wide range of information located at this site, aside from the technical information notices. It is to your benefit to take a bit of time to poke around and see what is there. Cheers, Lauren Boyd List Admin ...................... Mail Lists: 2003-10-17 The mailing list server (LISTS2) that has been off-line for maintenance has now been turned back on, and e-mail is being processed. Mail will be processed from the queued mail concurrently with incoming mail. This will mean that not all mail will arrive chronologically until the backlog in the queue has been cleared. It will probably take the better part of the day to get mail from the queues to processing and then depending on the traffic to your ISP further time to get delivered. BIGPOND in Australia is having mail receipt problems and the e-mail delivery of LISTS2 has been slightly adversely affected. We will spool mail for Bigpond users until their servers recover. We did have difficulties with a small number of lists that has meant that these lists are not currently operational and will not be until we have manually checked and fixed any outstanding issues. A list is not currently available. ................. Mail Lists: 2003-10-14 Domains bouncing e-mail from RootsWeb - XTRA.CO.NZ and SUPANET.COM Recent e-mail delivery problems seem to have been resolved. Users of the xtra.co.nz and supanet.com service should check their list subscriptions as many e-mail addresses bounced off mailing lists. CHECKING LIST SUBSCRIPTIONS Following resolution of e-email problems, subscribers are encouraged to double-check their subscriptions to mailing lists at http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ in case they have bounced off a mailing list. INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ISPs are welcome to contact RootsWeb via the HelpDesk message board or via e-mail to the Postmaster to proactively deal with any mail issues. .................... Mail Lists: 2003-10-01 Missing your email from RootsWeb? Recently started using anti-spam software? RootsWeb staff and list administrators are seeing increasing numbers of e-mail bouncing from people who have recently installed an anti-spam software or service. The software or services are often not configured sufficiently to allow through e-mail from mailing lists. We would encourage you to spend a little time to configure your software and hopefully 'whitelist' the RootsWeb domain. Our piece of advice is to hasten slowly when trying an anti-spam software or service, and tighten your settings as you progress and are sure that it will have the desired results. Definition of whitelist: see http://www.wordspy.com/words/whitelist.asp

Actually, the address should be P.O. Box 1511. Cathy

That would be PO Box 1511, Novato, CA 94948-1511 Panic sometimes makes us repeat errors <g>. Lauren Jerry Moore wrote: > > Oh my gosh !! I never proofread the paper Shirley gave to me about the Christmas luncheon before I printed, collated and stapled it all together !! Now the newsletters are all folded, stapled, labeled and sorted into zip codes, ready for the post office tomorrow, and I just looked at the address given on the flyer for sending your $ and reservations for the luncheon (the green page) and the address is incorrect. P. O. Box 1151 SHOULD READ P. O. Box 1151. Please do not send your reservation to the wrong address. Jerry D. Moore > > ==== MarinGenSoc Mailing List ==== > When was the last time you made sure your virus protection was > up-to-date and activated? You can set it to update and scan > automatically. If it has been a while -- Do It Now! The data you > save may be your own! Help us keep a virus free environment.

Helen Bodington wanted me to remind you that the parking situation at Villa Marin has changed. Please note the changes and park in the designated areas. Parking at Villa Marin is: 1) In all green curb areas 2) On left side of street 3) On right side of street anywhere SOUTH of the yellow fire hydrant. The latter is about opposite second entry to the circular driveway. 4) In the perpendicular spaces on the left BEYOND both parts of the circular driveway. Thank you, Gene Pennington MCGS CIG http://www.maringensoc.org/sigs.html

Oh my gosh !! I never proofread the paper Shirley gave to me about the Christmas luncheon before I printed, collated and stapled it all together !! Now the newsletters are all folded, stapled, labeled and sorted into zip codes, ready for the post office tomorrow, and I just looked at the address given on the flyer for sending your $ and reservations for the luncheon (the green page) and the address is incorrect. P. O. Box 1151 SHOULD READ P. O. Box 1151. Please do not send your reservation to the wrong address. Jerry D. Moore

FYI To List Members interested in the Preservation of Historical Cemeteries On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:31:23 -0700, "Sue Silver" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello all, A small cemetery in El Dorado County is in imminent danger of total obliteration. To see more about the EL DORADO HOUSE CEMETERY, the cemetery of an 1850s era roadhouse on the old Placerville to Sacramento Road (part of the original Immigrant Road for wagons coming into to California from over the Plains), go to this link: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/El_Dorado_House_Cemetery.htm There is also a page of photos showing what has recently occurred. If you have cemeteries in similar condition, I would certainly like to know about them. Sincerely, Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/ -- Iris Carter Jones, President Join us - "A Golden Prospect" NGS Conference in the States In Sacramento, California 19-22 May 2004 www.sacvalleygenes.org -- Iris Carter Jones, President Join us - "A Golden Prospect" NGS Conference in the States In Sacramento, California 19-22 May 2004 www.sacvalleygenes.org

Thanks to Jana, Will, Mary, Cathy and Ken who all pointed me in the direction of the County Recorder's office. I spent a while there Friday morning, and it will probably take many more hours to trace this property back. Thanks again, "rwalker"

Dear Jerry: One might think they could be, as they are present at the home at the time of enumeration. However, if one bears in mind that the purpose of the census is to draw the political map and have a head count to ensure proper representation at the Federal Level, it occurs to me that tourists should not have been counted. However, per the following information, immigrants were counted. Perhaps she was visiting another household the day the enumerator visited? Lauren ........... http://www.allvitalrecords.com/censusyear.asp?y=1920 1920 Census The 1920 census was begun on 1 January 1920. The enumeration was to be completed within thirty days, or two weeks for communities with populations of more than 2,500. Questions Asked in the 1920 Census Name of street, avenue road, etc.; house number or farm; number of dwelling in order of visitation; number of family in order of visitation; name of each person whose place of abode was with the family; relationship of person enumerated to the head of the family; whether home owned or rented; if owned, whether free or mortgaged; sex; color or race; age at last birthday; whether single, married, widowed, or divorced; year of immigration to United States; whether naturalized or alien; if naturalized, year of naturalization; whether attended school any time since 1 September 1919; whether able to read; whether able to write; person’s place of birth; mother tongue; father’s place of birth; father’s mother tongue; mother’s place of birth; mother’s mother tongue; whether able to speak English; trade, profession, or particular kind of work done; industry, business, or establishment in which at work; whether employer, salary or wage worker, or working on own account; number of farm schedule. Other Significant Facts about the 1920 Census The date of the enumeration appears on the heading of each page of the census schedule. All responses were to reflect the individual’s status as of 1 January 1920, even if the status had changed between 1 January and the day of enumeration. Children born between 1 January and the day of enumeration were not to be listed, while individuals alive on 1 January but deceased when the enumerator arrived were to be counted. Unlike the 1910 census, the 1920 census did not have questions regarding unemployment, Union or Confederate military service, number of children, or duration of marriage. It did, however, include four new question columns: one asked the year of naturalization and three inquired about mother tongue. The 1920 census also asked the year of arrival and status of every foreign-born person and inquired about the year of naturalization for those individuals who had become U.S. citizens. In 1920 the census included, for the first time, Guam, American Samoa, and the Panama Canal Zone. Also unlike the 1910 census, the 1920 census has a microfilmed index for each state and territory. Due to boundary modifications in Europe resulting from World War I, some individuals were uncertain about how to identify their national origin. Enumerators were instructed to spell out the name of the city, state, province, or region of respondents who declared that they or their parents had been born in Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, or Turkey. Interpretation of the birthplace varied from one enumerator to another. Some failed to identify specific birthplaces within those named countries, and others provided an exact birthplace in countries not designated in the instructions. See Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Fourteenth Census of the United States, January 1, 1920: Instructions to Enumerators (Washington, vvvvD.C.: Government Printing Office, 1919). There are no separate Indian population schedules in the 1920 census. Inhabitants of reservations were enumerated in the general population schedules. Enumerators were instructed not to report servicemen in the family enumerations but to treat them as residents of their duty posts. The 1920 census includes schedules and a Soundex index for overseas military and naval forces. Soundex cards for institutions are found at the end of each state’s Soundex index. It is important to note that many institutions, even if enumerated at their street addresses, are found at the end of the enumeration section. The original 1920 census schedules were destroyed by authorization of the Eighty-third Congress, so it is not possible to consult originals when microfilm copies prove unreadable. Research Tips for the 1920 Census Since nearly everyone has some knowledge or access to knowledge of family names, relationships and the family’s state of residence in 1920, most genealogical instructors recommend the 1920 census as the best starting point for research in federal records. Working from known information about the most recent generations, an efficient researcher works backwards in time to discover family relationships and to determine where additional records may be found. The 1920 census is a good tool for determining approximate dates and places to search for marriage records, birth and death records of children, and the marriages of children not listed. The 1920 census sometimes makes it possible to verify family traditions, identify unknown family members, and link what is known to other sources, such as earlier censuses, school attendance rolls, property holdings, and employment and occupational records. In several instances, women, rather than men, have been listed as head of household in the 1920 Soundex index (figure 5-3); therefore, a search focused on a male name may be unsuccessful. The 1920 census asked the foreign-born for the year of their arrival in the United States, making it easier to pinpoint the date of passenger arrival records. It also asked the naturalization status of every foreign-born person and inquired about the year of naturalization for those individuals who had become U.S. citizens, thus facilitating searches in naturalization records. Due to the more specific questions asked of immigrants from Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, and Turkey regarding their birthplaces and those of their parents, many researchers will be able to discover the exact towns or regions from which their families emigrated. The fact that the 1920 census asked for the mother tongue of each respondent and that of each parent will further help to define the origins of many families.