A bit more on the Astrid : <http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10644428.Sunken_Tall_Ship_Astrid_could_be_saved_if_Irish_Coast_Guard_approve_plans/?ref=rss> But with Autumn / Fall not far off, and low pressure in the offing, I doubt they have much time left to ponder the options ? Paul PS I understand that for statistical purposes for the weather guys Autumn starts 1 Sep., but my understanding of the term it starts 21 Sep. although I note that some Almanacs use 22 Sep., which perhaps explains why the meteorologists use 1 Sep.