Hi Sean Jumping ship is quite possible, especially if she arrived arriving in port at the height of gold fever. A mass exodus of crew could account for Industry being stuck in port unable to find sufficient crew to man her. According to Wikipedia's article on Australian Gold Rushes there wasn't a big one on at that time, but of course no one at the time would know that they were heading off on what would prove a minor one... On the other hand, there is the suggestion in the NZ paper that Industry had been condemned on arrival at Melbourne (which isn't corroborated by the contemporary reports, but may be true), in which case he would probably have been paid off with the rest of the crew. I must do some more thinking to try to confirm the identify the vessel as a crew agreement could clear much of the mystery up, but I'm not at home right now. I think I'm right in thinking that Industry wasn't necessarily registered in Dublin, she had just come FROM there? By the way, my thoughts on Irish Oak were simply that it seemed unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble and expense of sending Irish timber to the East Coast of Canada, when they had plenty of timber of their own there to export and were noted for building ships from it. Its not impossible I suppose but with a cheap local product easily available, why go to the expense of using imported timber? Again, identifying the exact vessel may help to clarify as Lloyds Register usually noted what material a vessel was constructed from. I suspect the Irish Oak story was an attempt by the auctioneer to talk the price up. Cheers Piers On Thursday, 22 August 2013, Sean_tee wrote: > Dear Jenny, > > > > The thought had crossed my mind that he might have jumped ship. According > to the family stories that I heard the Industry was scuttled (if that's the > right word) after it arrived in Australia. Clearly that didn't happen. So > there is a strong possibility that he was a ship's jumper. And if he was > then he could have changed his name. That makes it a completely different > scenario to be considered. > > > > My mother is dead, but I'll be meeting up with some members of my family > soon and I will discuss this scenario with them and see if I can get some > definite proof on the bible being returned to Ireland. The letters he would > have written and sent himself. I will also delve into the other stories > about the gold fields and see if can get more clarity on these. You have > given me lot of stuff to work with, thank you. > > > > I haven't been able to get a crew list or a crew agreement for the Industry > 1858 voyage, mainly because I don't know where they are to be found. Just > recently when Piers gave me a reference for crew list for 1857 filed under > BT98/5041 at the National Archives, London. I have yet to check that out. > > > > With regards to Bendigo v Sandhurst and the assay office I just don't know > what to say. All I can say is that my gg grandfather is very difficult to > trace, maybe he wanted it that way. > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, perhaps i might add a thought. Vessels for the Royal Navy in battle with the flegetable American ships found its shots literably bouncing off and dubbing the vessels 'old iron sides'. This i am informed was due to American white oak being used for knees etc as superior to English oak. Raiding parties reputably being sent to gather suitable items to add strengthen selected vessels. Could it be that commercial vessels would also benefit from this strengthened situation. To add another factor, was there suitable oak from say Irish oak? Or far eastern lumber? This situation may have been short lived, with iron or steel hulls. Peter. On 2013-08-22, at 11:16 AM, Piers Smith-Cresswell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sean > > Jumping ship is quite possible, especially if she arrived arriving in port at the height of gold fever. A mass exodus of crew could account for Industry being stuck in port unable to find sufficient crew to man her. According to Wikipedia's article on Australian Gold Rushes there wasn't a big one on at that time, but of course no one at the time would know that they were heading off on what would prove a minor one... On the other hand, there is the suggestion in the NZ paper that Industry had been condemned on arrival at Melbourne (which isn't corroborated by the contemporary reports, but may be true), in which case he would probably have been paid off with the rest of the crew. I must do some more thinking to try to confirm the identify the vessel as a crew agreement could clear much of the mystery up, but I'm not at home right now. I think I'm right in thinking that Industry wasn't necessarily registered in Dublin, she had just come FROM there? > > By the way, my thoughts on Irish Oak were simply that it seemed unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble and expense of sending Irish timber to the East Coast of Canada, when they had plenty of timber of their own there to export and were noted for building ships from it. Its not impossible I suppose but with a cheap local product easily available, why go to the expense of using imported timber? Again, identifying the exact vessel may help to clarify as Lloyds Register usually noted what material a vessel was constructed from. I suspect the Irish Oak story was an attempt by the auctioneer to talk the price up. > > Cheers > Piers > > On Thursday, 22 August 2013, Sean_tee wrote: >> Dear Jenny, >> >> >> >> The thought had crossed my mind that he might have jumped ship. According >> to the family stories that I heard the Industry was scuttled (if that's the >> right word) after it arrived in Australia. Clearly that didn't happen. So >> there is a strong possibility that he was a ship's jumper. And if he was >> then he could have changed his name. That makes it a completely different >> scenario to be considered. >> >> >> >> My mother is dead, but I'll be meeting up with some members of my family >> soon and I will discuss this scenario with them and see if I can get some >> definite proof on the bible being returned to Ireland. The letters he would >> have written and sent himself. I will also delve into the other stories >> about the gold fields and see if can get more clarity on these. You have >> given me lot of stuff to work with, thank you. >> >> >> >> I haven't been able to get a crew list or a crew agreement for the Industry >> 1858 voyage, mainly because I don't know where they are to be found. Just >> recently when Piers gave me a reference for crew list for 1857 filed under >> BT98/5041 at the National Archives, London. I have yet to check that out. >> >> >> >> With regards to Bendigo v Sandhurst and the assay office I just don't know >> what to say. All I can say is that my gg grandfather is very difficult to >> trace, maybe he wanted it that way. >> >> >> >> Thanks for all your help. >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message