Frederick George Halden WEST . I have a copy of Certificate of Competency as a Second Mate for Frederick George Halden WEST dated December 11, 1851 in the Merchant Service. Does anyonehave any other information on this gentleman. He is part of my husband’s WEST family. His father was Matthew Thomas WEST and his mother was Eliza HALDEN. Up until I found this document on Ancestry.com, I had thought that he had died in 1844 ( no documentation at all for this date, though). So, hoping that I may be able to follow his travels or path in later years. Thank You, Judy Anderson [email protected] Sent from Windows Mail From: [email protected] Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎16‎, ‎2013 ‎12‎:‎11‎ ‎AM To: [email protected] Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mallin - Ship's Carpenter (J. Fawcett) 2. Re: Mallin - Ship's Carpenter (Patricia Byers) 3. Re: Mallin - Ship's Carpenter (J. Fawcett) 4. Clydesite (Joe McMillan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:15:30 +1000 From: "J. Fawcett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Sean, do you know roughly what year John Mallin would have been born ? cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Sean_tee Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter Dear Jenny & Piers, Many thanks for your time and all your research on my behalf. Jenny to answer your question; John Mallin, ships carpenter, was the son of Michael Mallin. I don?t know his mother?s name, I?d be guessing. John was married to Mary Mangan in Dublin in 1848 and they had two sons Michael (1852) and John (1854). Therefore given the birthdates of his children I would think John was on the 1858 voyage. John?s wife died before he went to Australia and his children were reared by their grandparents. John died in Australia, don?t know when or where. I think he has an accident and it may have been something to do with his gold mining activities in the Bendigo area. That?s all I know. Piers would you know who bought the INDUSTRY and what became of her? Also what was the role of the agent T.H. Martin, Forrest and Co were they the ship owners? Thank you for the reference number to the crew list, the next time I?m in London, I?ll look it up at the National Archives. Again, much obliged for all your help. Best wishes , Se?n Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:20:37 +1000 From: Patricia Byers <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 re: Irish oak - ship building see: http://www.irishoakforests.com/uses.htm other information about what led to the devastation of irish forests can be found by googling: Irish oak ship building Paddy On 16/08/2013, at 8:17 AM, Piers Smith-Cresswell <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not 100% confident now about my identification of her official > number following my digging around in the newspapers, I'll have to think > about it as there are some discrepancies, over tonnage etc. However, an > interesting story emerges about whatever ship named INDUSTRY made it to > Melbourne in 1858. > > I suggest you have a look through the Australian Newspapers on the Trove > site, bearing in mind that there was more than one vessel of that name, and > that reporting isn't 100% accurate. If you search "barque industry" in > trove and then "hulk industry" in the NZ "Papers Past" site, and > Google, you will find the following tale:- > > You will recall that Industry arrived at Melbourne in May 1858. She was put > up for sale in August 1858 but it appears she didn't sell. The suggestion > that she was built of Irish oak, imported to Canada, sounds quite > preposterous *http://tinyurl.com/l3f8hrd . * In September 1858 she was > still in port and a French ship discharged ballast and equipment into her. > She was sold in January 1859 for ?800, and was stated as being "about 23 > years old" (ie built c.1835) see *http://tinyurl.com/nurf4cp .* . The > Argus reported on the 8th January that she had been sold to New Zealand > owners and had been refitted to carry 2000 head of sheep to New Zealand, > where she was intended to be turned into a coal hulk. * > http://tinyurl.com/qdg6wud . *A New Zealand newspaper reported her as > being 700 tons, and referred to her being intended to be hulked at Port > Chalmers (ie Dunedin). Her new owner appears to have been a John Jones. * > http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b* <http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b> > > She cleared from Hobsons Bay on 19th January; her master being reported > as "W.R. Stephenson" *http://tinyurl.com/nf2dqm3 * > > Then "The barque *Industry*, bound for Otago, commenced taking in sheep on > Thursday morning (Feb. 3.) alongside the Williamstown Railway Pier, and > completed her loading of 1700 ewes, with which she hauled off before dark". > -*Argus*. *http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b* > > She sailed on February 6th 1859 for New Zealand. * > http://tinyurl.com/nl87cej* <http://tinyurl.com/nl87cej>* *but ran into > trouble: > > "On sighting Tewaewae's Point, a vessel was observed to be on shore there, > and the steamer [GEELONG] bore down to her assistance. She proved to be > the barque * "Industry,"* from Melbourne to Otago, with sheep, which had > drifted on the rocks in a most dangerous position. With considerable > difficulty the crew were induced to assist in the endeavour to get her off, > which was at length successful, and the * "Industry"* proceeded on her > voyage, not having apparently received any serious damage. But for the > opportune arrival of the steamer, the barque would in all probability have > become a total wreck, as both the captain and crew appeared to be utterly > indifferent as to the result." *http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b* > > Her consort NORTH STAR, sold at the same time and also intended as a > hulk, ran aground at the New River and sustained considerable damage. * > http://tinyurl.com/**qck2v2b* <http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b>. Which must > raise some question as to whether her owners were actually bothered at all > about whether INDUSTRY arrived or not. > > She arrived at Dunedin on 26th February. "Same day, *Industry*, 487 tons, > Stephen, from Melbourne, via the Bluff, with 1700 sheep, 100 boxes candles, > 766 deals, 700 tons coal, l package harness, and 1 dog cart. Arrived at > 9.20 a.m." *http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b* > ** > May 7th: "The barque* "Industry"* was run aground at the Bluff. Owner > Jones. Seaman - Barnes" > *http://tinyurl.com/**qck2v2b*<http://tinyurl.com/qck2v2b> .She > was turned into a hulk, ie a floating warehouse. > ** > That would normally be about the last one would expect to hear of her. But > no! Twenty years later (1878) the much decayed vessel pops into the > newspapers again. In 1878 Dunedin City Council wanted to turn her into a > floating swimming pool! http://tinyurl.com/pebgma6. This report sums up > her career since 1858, discusses her current condition and the plans for > her, and adds the fact that Industry had been condemned at Melbourne [her > crew having presumably being paid off]. > > However people smelt something fishy going on, not just the reek from the > bilges of the decayed vessel ...was the council paying too much and being > scammed? http://tinyurl.com/qe5kuva. It became a local issue * > http://tinyurl.com/otfjjhd* <http://tinyurl.com/otfjjhd>* *and* > http://tinyurl.com/mz9rgqz*. Suspicions were summed up by the Grey River > Argus report on 27th December "The City Council of Dunedin bought an old > worm eaten hulk called the Industry to turn her into public baths. They > paid ?600 for her and she was valued at ?500. The report of Captain > Russell, Lloyd's agent, on the hulk is short and sweet; it is as follows: > That the Industry has been a ship of 500 tons burthen, American built; he > believes her to be about 50 years of age; he has examined her timber and > found it rotten from top to bottom, and he can put no intrinsic value on > her". http://tinyurl.com/q8o4pc5 > > Despite the Chairman of the Baths committee pressing for an enquiry to > exonerate him, it wasn't voted for http://tinyurl.com/pt7pqbd . It all > sounds very political. A Cllr Fish seems to have been deeply involved but > voted against the inquiry. Or it was. Later in 1879 there does seem to > have been an inquiry after all but it exonerated everyone. * > http://tinyurl.com/mr39hqx . *Some more subtle searching might tease out > more of the tale. > > It is not clear whether Industry was ever converted into public baths, or > whether the Council got their money back. > > Presumably, as the* Otago Daily Times *so graphically put* *it, after that > Industry simply "melted away in her unsavoury bed". > > An interesting tale..... > > Cheers > Piers > > > > > > Piers would you know who bought the INDUSTRY and what became of her? Also > what was the role of the agent T.H. Martin, Forrest and Co were they the > ship owners? Thank you for the reference number to the crew list, the > next time I?m in London, I?ll look it up at the National Archives. > > > > Again, much obliged for all your help. > > > > Best wishes , > > > > Se?n Tapley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:21:05 +1000 From: "J. Fawcett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sean I have searched the index to Births Deaths and Marriages for the state of Victoria 1836 - 1888. There is only the following MALLIN references, as you will see there is no death for a John Mallin in that era. Also I searched the 1889 - 1901 era, again, no death for a John Mallin. Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Mary Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Bridget RYAN Age: Sex: F Birth Place: MELBOURNE Death Place: Year: 1842 Reg Number: 445 Denomination: Roman Catholic Parish: St Francis, Melbourne Fiche: 1091 Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Joseph Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary DARLING Age: Sex: M Birth Place: MELBOURNE Death Place: Year: 1842 Reg Number: 452 Denomination: Roman Catholic Parish: St Francis, Melbourne Fiche: 1091 Surname: MALLIN Given Names: James Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes Elliott HENDERSON Age: Sex: Birth Place: SEBASTOPOL Death Place: Year: 1867 Reg Number: 24593 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Agnes Elliott Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes ELLIOTT Age: Sex: Birth Place: SEBASTOPOL Death Place: Year: 1869 Reg Number: 5086 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: William Andrew Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes Elliott HENDERSON Age: Sex: Birth Place: SEBA Death Place: Year: 1875 Reg Number: 5500 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Francis Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Arthur Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane MCCUSKEY Age: 6 Sex: Birth Place: BULL Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 8173 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Elizabeth Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Arthur Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane MCCUSKEY Age: 8 Sex: Birth Place: BULL Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 8174 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Mary Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Arthur Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane MCCUSKEY Age: 1 Sex: Birth Place: BULL Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 8175 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: Margaret Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Arthur Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane MCCUSKEY Age: 3 Sex: Birth Place: BULL Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 8176 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: George Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margaret MALLIN Age: 6M Sex: Birth Place: MELB Death Place: Year: 1874 Reg Number: 8876 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: MALLIN Given Names: James Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MAGOVERN Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth Age: Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1853 Reg Number: 1617 Denomination: Roman Catholic Parish: St Francis, Melbourne Fiche: 736 Surname: MALLIN Given Names: John Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: CLINE Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine Age: Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 1523 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:24:55 +0930 From: "Joe McMillan" <[email protected]> Subject: [MAR] Clydesite To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is anyone else having problems accessing the ?CLYDESITE? database. I have been trying for a couple of days now to no avail. Any suggestions ?? Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 285 ****************************************