Sent from my iPad On 23/06/2013, at 5:10 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 (Sue Milne) > 2. Re: Vessal SWANTON (Paul Benyon) > 3. Re: Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 (Graham Read) > 4. Re: Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 (Nivard Ovington) > 5. Re: Vessal SWANTON (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:19:13 +1000 > From: Sue Milne <[email protected]> > Subject: [MAR] Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have an old photo (0ver 160 yrs old) of the officers of the "duke of Devonshire" sailing ship.. > My ancestor is among them and I would be most grateful for any info about the ship or its officers and crew > Sue > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:05:01 +0100 > From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Peter > > With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one > wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from > whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, > once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, > this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for > people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. > This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or > gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of > support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete > packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also > something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, > passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from > India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and the > cash, overland. > > Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the > ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - > the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with > the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down > the Suez, to Singapore etc. > > Paul > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, Genoa. Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west coast of the USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the suez canal was not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines were in early days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person overland and to malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains were also in early days, as were canals, coaches still left the mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred years later i touched Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >> >> Many thanks, Peter >> >> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, >>> merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in The Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>> >>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>> >>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Peter Klein >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>> >>> >>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from liverpool to USA >>> >>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>> >>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > 50? 33' N, 2? 26' W > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:16:29 +0100 > From: Graham Read <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Google gives a long line of HMS Devonshire s of which this seems the most > likely > > *HMS Devonshire* was a 74-gun third > rate<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_rate> ship > of the line <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_the_line> of the Royal > Navy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy>, launched on 23 September > 1812 at Deptford <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deptford> and broken up in > 1869. > However, there are also loads of MN ships, some full rigged, some > half-sail, some fully SS. > Do the uniforms indicate a RN or MN training ship ? Is she clearly 'just' > a sailing ship ? > > Graham > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Sue Milne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have an old photo (0ver 160 yrs old) of the officers of the "duke of >> Devonshire" sailing ship.. >> My ancestor is among them and I would be most grateful for any info about >> the ship or its officers and crew >> Sue >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:26:03 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Duke of Devonshire sailing ship circa1850 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Sorry I can't help with the ship > > I couldn't find her in the 1861 but thats far from unusual > > However are you sure about the age of the photo, that would be very early > > Presumably a studio photo ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 22/06/2013 12:19, Sue Milne wrote: >> I have an old photo (0ver 160 yrs old) of the officers of the "duke of Devonshire" sailing ship.. >> My ancestor is among them and I would be most grateful for any info about the ship or its officers and crew >> Sue > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:08:05 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Greetings, > > Many thanks for responding to my query. It is fascinating, we tend to think about current situations. It was an era of development. (I visited some ports in Italy and was based in Malta, but did not visit eastern Med. via the RN) > > Thanks for adding the Marseille posibility. Peter > > > On 2013-06-22, at 6:05 AM, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and the >> cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, Genoa. Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west coast of the USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the suez canal was not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines were in early days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person overland and to malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains were also in early days, as were canals, coaches still left the mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred years later i touched Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, >>>> merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in The Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from liverpool to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50? 33' N, 2? 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 237 > ****************************************