Hi Peter, I have no problem with text added to replies. It helps me remember what the original query was about. I sent you another piece, directly to your email with some duplication and some new sources to follow on the SWANTON. Your query has kick started me to go back to that family line and do more. If I find more about it I will be sure to send it on to you. Someone asked me today how long I had been "doing" genealogy. I just laughed. My maternal grandmother was named Larrabee, another old Maine name. Her direct antecedents arrived in Maine about 1730. When I would spend a month with my grandparents in the summers she would ask what I'd like for a bedtime story. I would always say, "tell me the family" which meant recite all of the Larrabee clan. I was also blessed with relatives who lived just a year short of forever. Although my grandmother was born in 1878, and I in 1947, I knew all of her siblings well ... the same with my Swanton relatives. Ah yes, those doublesided jigsaws ! Yikes ! When your family has lived in one state for as long as mine have, you find that every couple of generations the different surnames intermarry again so you end up related to everyone in a 50 mile radius ;-) Congratulations on 56 years ! That is a rare accomplishment now-a-days ! Those grandparents of whom I spoke made 66 years. Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Monks Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON Greetings, Another vessel AMARANTH to follow up on and Lorenzo Snow, fantastic. I beg your pardon for adding information to the text in response, i used to be computer literate then got sick and my dear wife got sick and so it went on, now i am creeping back into the modern technology. Our senior years are listed as possible sick years, sad thought. Perhaps you might be familiar with jig saw puzzles for experts it has different pictures both sides and supposedly a couple of rogue pieces that do not belong at all. So saying, we celebrate fifty five years, actualy 56 married. Trust the demolution is going safely. Is this by choice or forced upon you? I also do genealogy, one such individual joined up in the first world war, immediately promoted a petty officer RN and was put in armoured cars, Rolls Royce, with free wheeling behind enemy lines as a secret group with Churchhills backing. Similar to Lawrence of Arabia. Makes life difficult being secret. Shaving sticks being best for sump repairs on heavy repairs. Many thanks, Peter On 2013-06-27, at 9:06 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hello Peter, > > > > Jigsaw is a good analogy. I think of the search as a treasure hunt. > Here are a couple of additional bits that I located through Google. I > searched ship Swanton about 1840 > > > > I found the following: Swanton Cap't Davenport departed Liverpool 16 Jan 1843 with 212 LDS immigrants. The church leader was Lorenzo Snow. They arrived New Orleans 16 March 1843, where they boarded a boat named Amaranth and went to Navaroo via the Mississippi. It is an interesting, first person, account of the voyage. This is located in www.ourfamilylegacy.info/files/reeveswilliam1801/immigration.doc > > > > The second piece I located was on Google Books. The book is titles 1400 Historical Dates of the Town and City of Bath, and the Town of Georgetown, by Levi P Lemont, Francie Winter. You will find info on pages 59-60 about ships built in Bath (including the Swanton. around pg 53 you will find info about the life and career of Cap't William Swanton who built the Earl of Bute. > > > > Jean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Monks" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:53:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > > Greetings, > > May i thank you for your response, every detail is part of the overall picture. It is rather like a jig saw puzzle. At the start, most parts seem unlikely ever to fit, but eventually, they do. It is the wonderful people on mariners that contribute to the greater understanding. Many thanks. > > Peter > > On 2013-06-26, at 9:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am busy with a house demolition but may have a slight bit of input to this query. William Swanton founded the first deep water shipyard in Maine (USA) well before the US Revolutionar y War. The town of origin is Bath, Maine. >> His shipyard eventually morphed into what is now the Bath Ironworks (or was still a decade ago). The first sailing ship built by Swanton was the Earl of Bute. >> >> >> >> Bath, Maine has an excellent maritime history muse um, probably online. >> >> >> >> William is about 9 generations back in my family; but my mother carried the name as her maiden name. I hope that is of some help. >> >> >> Jean Eichhorn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >> >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and >> the cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully >>> received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, >>> Genoa. Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west >>> coast of the USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the >>> suez canal was not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines >>> were in early days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person >>> overland and to malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains >>> were also in early days, as were canals, coaches still left the >>> mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred years later i touched >>> Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain >>>> Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in Th! e Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from >>>> liverpool to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50 33' N, 2 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message