Hi Sue, I'm replying off-list as it does not support attachments, but this cutting from the Liverpool Mercury of 23 June 1854 may be useful in giving a full description of the Black Eagle. She was said to have sailed from Liverpool under captain Gemmell the 25 June, but on 3 July she was reported as having put into Milford Haven with her mainmast sprung, sailing again on the 15th. The same newspaper (26 Jan 1855) reported her as having arrived at Melbourne. She was still under Gemmell when she sailed for Bombay from Liverpool on the 26 March 1856, and she had arrived there by the 11 December. She was reportedly still under Gemmell when she sailed from Madras before 14 December 1857. Just snippets, but I hope they are useful in filling out the picture. Best regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Susan Swiggum <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 15:21 Subject: [MAR] ship BLACK EAGLE ca. 1854 Hi Mariners, I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. >> Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. >> I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml Then this Ad in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons register, J. Gemmell, Commander, will positively sail for the above port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS BROTHERS and CO., agents. Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2 ... SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 Name: John Gemmell Estimated Age: 28 Birth Date: 5 May 1823 Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire Issue Date: 19 May 1851 Issue Port: Glasgow Certificate Number: 40.437 ... then Master 21 May 1853, Certificate Number 8.424 I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent. The birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Peter and list, Is there anything to support that the John Gemmell I found (below) is the same John Gemmell who was master of the Black Eagle ? I was taking a leap after reading his vessels on his Mates Certificate, and his wife being born in the Seychelles. Thanks again Peter, Sue On 6/19/2013 4:03 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I'm replying off-list as it does not support attachments, but this > cutting from the Liverpool Mercury of 23 June 1854 may be useful in > giving a full description of the Black Eagle. She was said to have > sailed from Liverpool under captain Gemmell the 25 June, but on 3 July > she was reported as having put into Milford Haven with her mainmast > sprung, sailing again on the 15th. The same newspaper (26 Jan 1855) > reported her as having arrived at Melbourne. She was still under > Gemmell when she sailed for Bombay from Liverpool on the 26 March > 1856, and she had arrived there by the 11 December. She was > reportedly still under Gemmell when she sailed from Madras before 14 > December 1857. > > Just snippets, but I hope they are useful in filling out the picture. > > Best regards, > > Peter Klein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Susan Swiggum <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 15:21 > *Subject:* [MAR] ship BLACK EAGLE ca. 1854 > > Hi Mariners, > > I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. > > In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being > chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. > >> > Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government > emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will > shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The > Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for > Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. > >> > > I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at > Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml > > Then this Ad in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 > For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons > register, J. Gemmell, Commander, will positively sail for the above > port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS > BROTHERS and CO., agents. > > Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2 ... > SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 > tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government > emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. > > I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a > detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still > the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml > > I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 > > Name: John Gemmell > Estimated Age: 28 > Birth Date: 5 May 1823 > Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire > Issue Date: 19 May 1851 > Issue Port: Glasgow > Certificate Number: 40.437 > > ... then Master 21 May 1853, Certificate Number 8.424 > > I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first > two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent. The > birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. > > I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about > the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on > my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Sue > > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/