"Queenstown" Cobh Co Cork Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 > Hello Peter, > > Thank you very much for your quick response. The ship was listed firstly > as the "Ellen Jones", and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's > website. I was not sure which one was correct. Thank you for correcting > that. > > The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk > somewhere near Belize. Whereabouts is Queenstown? > > Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be > the > Captain. Both brothers held Captain's certificates. A third brother > who > also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret > Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies. It does not say that > the > ship sunk. Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did > sink > or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. > > Details of the 'Margaret Pugh' C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864. > Certificate > No. 10411 > Capacity = 1m54 OC59 > The Margaret Pugh 1862 > Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron > Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, > Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 > to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. > > The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the > largest > vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon > (No. 36 November 17, 1862) > > Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > Hello Eunice, > > I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones". On the > assumption > that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was > indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for > 1858/59 > was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was > evidently the captain. > > Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under > previously > is not known. She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from > Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November. She was > then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the > 5th > January 1858. That is the last report of a sighting. > > The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she > appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, > but is gone by 1864. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anyone help me with the following: > > I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the > ship > “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John > James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. > a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master > Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 > b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner > No. 73386 - Capacity M52 > Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship > lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost > with all hands, presumed drowned. > > My questions are: > 1.. Where did the ship sink? > 2.. How many lives were lost? > 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? > 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? > 5.. Any other relevant details > Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Mick. I would never have thought of Ireland. Eunice -----Original Message----- From: Mick O Rourke Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 "Queenstown" Cobh Co Cork Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 > Hello Peter, > > Thank you very much for your quick response. The ship was listed firstly > as the "Ellen Jones", and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's > website. I was not sure which one was correct. Thank you for correcting > that. > > The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk > somewhere near Belize. Whereabouts is Queenstown? > > Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be > the > Captain. Both brothers held Captain's certificates. A third brother > who > also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret > Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies. It does not say that > the > ship sunk. Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did > sink > or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. > > Details of the 'Margaret Pugh' C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864. > Certificate > No. 10411 > Capacity = 1m54 OC59 > The Margaret Pugh 1862 > Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron > Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, > Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 > to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. > > The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the > largest > vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon > (No. 36 November 17, 1862) > > Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > Hello Eunice, > > I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones". On the > assumption > that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was > indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for > 1858/59 > was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was > evidently the captain. > > Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under > previously > is not known. She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from > Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November. She was > then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the > 5th > January 1858. That is the last report of a sighting. > > The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she > appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, > but is gone by 1864. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anyone help me with the following: > > I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the > ship > “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John > James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. > a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master > Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 > b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner > No. 73386 - Capacity M52 > Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship > lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost > with all hands, presumed drowned. > > My questions are: > 1.. Where did the ship sink? > 2.. How many lives were lost? > 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? > 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? > 5.. Any other relevant details > Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message