I've read a couple of Walter Runcimans books about sailing on the East coast during the mid 19th century and he mentions Scotsman making their way down the coast to join ships in the NE. If I remember correctly he notes that they were often better educated than the locals Gavin On 13/10/2013 17:33, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > Maybe his dad knew the master? > > > > On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: > > >> Hmm >> >> Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than >> answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for >> an >> Apprenticeship! >> Gillian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected]<javascript:;>] >> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM >> To: [email protected]<javascript:;> >> Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans >> >> >> All >> >> Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had >> found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! >> >> The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also >> the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. >> >> Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a >> child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew >> was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! >> >> On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been >> born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very >> knowledgable about their ages! >> >> I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions >> the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy >> and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 >> and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either >> updated >> the stone or put it up. >> >> I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, >> it >> seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only >> mentioned numbers of victims not names! >> Thanks again for the help >> >> Gillian >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Checked the books: Windjammers and Sea Trams by Walter Runciman Chapter 3 A Cabin Boy's Start at Sea "Swarms of Scotch and Norfolk boys were attracted to the Northumberland ports by the higher rate of wages. Many of them had to tramp it all the long way from home, and quite a large number of them became important factors in the shipping trade of the district" He then spends a page describing the often poor condition they often arrived in and how is mother would often care for them if they passed his house In "Collier Brigs and their Sailors" Chapter 7 is devoted to "Big Andrew" a scot who came Lerwick in the Shetlands to work out of Blyth Chapter 16 is called "Strangers" Here he describes in a couple of pages how various incomers to Blyth were regarded. Scots were known as "Scotch Alecs" Gavin On 13/10/2013 22:23, Gavin McLelland wrote: > I've read a couple of Walter Runcimans books about sailing on the East > coast during the mid 19th century and he mentions > Scotsman making their way down the coast to join ships in the NE. If I > remember correctly he notes that they were often better educated > than the locals > > Gavin > > On 13/10/2013 17:33, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > >> Maybe his dad knew the master? >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hmm >>> >>> Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than >>> answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for >>> an >>> Apprenticeship! >>> Gillian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected]<javascript:;>] >>> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM >>> To: [email protected]<javascript:;> >>> Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans >>> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had >>> found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! >>> >>> The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also >>> the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. >>> >>> Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a >>> child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew >>> was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! >>> >>> On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been >>> born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very >>> knowledgable about their ages! >>> >>> I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions >>> the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy >>> and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 >>> and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either >>> updated >>> the stone or put it up. >>> >>> I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, >>> it >>> seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only >>> mentioned numbers of victims not names! >>> Thanks again for the help >>> >>> Gillian >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >