Hello John, Many thanks for the interesting information about St John's and Saint John. It it interesting that this ship was built in Canada. I had wondered where the name came from and your theory is probably right. I will look up Sir Guy Carleton's history. kind regards Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > The names of the cities of St. John's and Saint John can be confusing. > St. > John's is in Newfoundland. Saint John is in New Brunswick. The New > Brunswick one is likely correct in this case as Carleton was a town (a > suburb of Saint John) and is still a county in New Brunswick. The book > "Saint John Ships and Their Builders" by Catherine Wright lists four > sailing > vessels built at or near Saint John with this name. There were two or > three > others built elsewhere in British North America. If you do a search for > Sir > Guy Carleton you will get the history of the name. The brig in question > is > shown as 183 tons and launched by John and Anthony Appleby in December > 1839 > for Peter Duff. Exactly where the shipyard was located is unclear from > the > text but it may have been up the Kennebecasis River where the Appleby > brothers' grandfather had established a yard. According to Wright the > brig > eventually foundered off Scarborough UK in December 1867 or 1869. > Regards, > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:09 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > >> Hello Valerie, >> >> I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a >> brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first >> master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field >> of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had >> arrived >> from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of >> London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at >> Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during >> 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from >> Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also >> appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was >> advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following >> September. >> >> There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, >> built >> at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The >> sailed >> frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports >> under various masters. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Klein >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> >> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 >> Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' >> >> >> Hi List, >> >> I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and >> Transactions >> series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship >> 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing >> from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and >> Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just >> before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has >> mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. >> >> When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few >> years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as >> mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today >> and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same >> ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. >> >> kind regards >> Valerie >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message