Hello Valerie, I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following September. There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports under various masters. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The names of the cities of St. John's and Saint John can be confusing. St. John's is in Newfoundland. Saint John is in New Brunswick. The New Brunswick one is likely correct in this case as Carleton was a town (a suburb of Saint John) and is still a county in New Brunswick. The book "Saint John Ships and Their Builders" by Catherine Wright lists four sailing vessels built at or near Saint John with this name. There were two or three others built elsewhere in British North America. If you do a search for Sir Guy Carleton you will get the history of the name. The brig in question is shown as 183 tons and launched by John and Anthony Appleby in December 1839 for Peter Duff. Exactly where the shipyard was located is unclear from the text but it may have been up the Kennebecasis River where the Appleby brothers' grandfather had established a yard. According to Wright the brig eventually foundered off Scarborough UK in December 1867 or 1869. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:09 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > Hello Valerie, > > I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a > brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first > master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field > of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived > from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of > London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at > Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during > 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from > Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also > appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was > advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following > September. > > There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built > at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed > frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports > under various masters. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> > To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 > Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > > > Hi List, > > I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions > series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship > 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing > from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and > Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just > before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has > mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. > > When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few > years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as > mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today > and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same > ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. > > kind regards > Valerie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello Peter, Many thanks for all the information you have sent me. I'm not sure if you mean in your email that there were 2 voyages to Singapore 1840 and 1841 or was the ship delivered to London in 1840 and it took a year before the lst sailing. I do have the crew list and agreement from the PRO of the April 1841 voyage which gives details of where the ship sailed to. The number on the Crew List is 64/1153. Do you think that Captain Colepeper (Colpeper) would have brought her from St Johns to Gravesend? Thanks also for the information about the 2nd ship of same name. My ancestor Frederick Colepeper unfortunately died in 1848 aged 42 and I fear this 1841 voyage may have been his last. The spealling of his name often varies but he signs the crew list and agreement as Fredk Hy Colepeper. kind regards Valerie Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hello Valerie, I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following September. There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports under various masters. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message