Hi Peter Really appreciate yr response Peter - thank you. Apologies for the ON error (yet another senior moment I'm afraid). I located the entry in the 1883/84 LRS which you referred to but frustratingly I can't access the 1881/82 1882/83, 1884/85 & 1885/86 LR editions on line - might you have a link for these please? As to the MNL - there are certainly entries for years 1882, 1883 and 1885 - in the case of 1882 the POR is Shanghai / Owner William Wheelock - for 1883 the Owner is listed as John Sharp with the same POR and repeated for 1885. She is described as a brig in all 3 entries with the same tonnage. The 1880 MNL entry has John G Punch as Owner with POR as Sydney. Based upon what I have been able to establish thus far Argos was sold to a Llanelly owner somewhere around 1873/74 and arrived in Sydney, NSW, via South Africa in mid 1875 where she seems to have been sold and bought by one John Punch. There are a number of references to the vessel in Trove including voyages to Shanghai but nothing, as you say, to cast light upon the circumstances of her demise. Brgds William email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013 9:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig "Argos" ON: 59758 Hello  William, Your Argos ON puzzled me for a while, but I think this ought to read 59789?  I am unable to pick her up in the 1883 MNL at all, but Lloyd's Registers might help explain her disappearance.  Argos certainly appears in the CLIP Crew List entry for 59789, but her last surviving papers appear to date from around 1880.  In LR for 1881/82 she was returned as a brig owned by J. BIngle of Sydney, but by the 1883/84 edition she appears to have been re-rigged as a barque, and was then owned by J. Sharp and G. Lewis, her home port still being Sydney.  In the 1885/86 edition however the end of her entry has been annotated as "wrecked".  I assume this happened some time during 1885, so perhaps you might be able to find something out about the circumstances. I did have a look on he Trove newspaper website, but have not come up with anything that explains this.  Perhaps you may have better luck. Best regards. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: William Davies <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 1 November 2013, 6:29 Subject: [MAR] Brig "Argos" ON: 59758 Good Day Re: Brig "Argos" ON: 59758 - YOB: 1870 - POB: PEI I'm attempting to discover the fate of the Brig "Argos" which was acquired by William R Wheelock  (Shanghai Tug & Lighter Co) and who changed her registry from that of Sydney, NSW, to Shanghai sometime during 1881/82. As per the 1883 MNL listing the Owner was recorded as one John Sharp of Shanghai but by 1888 she no longer appears. The National Archive's  BT 368 contains files of the Shanghai Registry covering the period  1875 to 1919 but whilst various vessels are listed up to and including 1880 no vessels are recorded  during in the period 1880 to 1919. Can anyone shed any light as to why there should be such a gap? Thanks Rgds  William Davies email: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message